Quote from Mustafur :

and how does a red bull fair up agaisnt a Mclaren or Ferrari?

note the 2nd part of my sentence.
but as far as I could remember, it was only Monza in the rain where they were faster than both, and Brazil where it was faster than the McLaren (well Lewis was being far TOO careful which actually became kinda risky, and Heikki was just useless as usual, but that's done and dusted)

Vettel still get my vote for the driver of the year, but just that the Toro Rosso isn't as rubbish as u think it is.

Quote from Mustafur :

Nope Vettels season put together will seem more radical in the years to come trust me, Torro Rosso were the slowest car on the grid coming into Monaco remember.
Since then Vettel has reaked of consistency and amazing ''wtf how can he do that'' moments in a car that is still rubbish when you think about it.

The last race didn't really do much other then confirm this.

how "rubbish" was the Toro Rosso~? it's basically the same as a Red Bull, with a more powerful Ferrari engine...

it's still the 5th or 6th fastest cars out there most of the time (after they got their "new" cars from Red Bull), and that goes along with plenty of excellent drives from Vettel... but Bourdais didn't do too badly either, other than his bad luck (off the start at Monza when he qualified 3rd) and some highly arguable for penalty (Fuji...)

Quote from 5haz :

Hamilton may not have been anywhere near Massas pace, but that only matters in the race, it doesnt count towards the championship!

I bet all the media who have been slagging off Hamilton will bumlove him now.

Last year was Mclaren's turn to be cruelly denied, this year its Ferrari, F1 is cruel like that.

well it wouldn't be that way if the FIA didn't intervene...

about time Lewis get something back after all that the FIA does to take the championship to the final round~?

how much the f@#k did McLaren or Britain paid Glock~?!!!! lol

Vettel passed Lewis... =.="
Lewis need to attack now~!!

it's getting wet and it's getting extremely dark~

Heidfield in for intermediate~

the second and final round of pit stops are coming, everyone has to put in enough fuel for some 30 odd laps~ hope Lewis would make his tyres last...

Quote from DevilDare :

Vettel winna? ya please!

yeah gooooooooo Vettel~!

"low risk strategy"~? passing someone by going onto the wet stuff braking into T1 surely doesn't seems like it~ (as you can clearly see from his brother's face sitting in the pitlane~ XD)

worked out brilliantly for Vettel and Alonso, quite a disaster for the McLarens...

Quote from JohnUK89 :

Poor Coulthard He didn't deserve that on his final GP

yeah out in the first corner in his final GP...

Quote from Timdpr :

Kubica on dry tires! He could be brilliant, he could lose badly.

well it may work out~ safety car is back out already~

an extra couple of laps to dry the track up at non racing speed...

Quote from lizardfolk :

JCTK calm down...it's a street track what did you expect? Also, i really dont think it's because the indycar sucks at handling left AND rights as Indy has a lot of entertaining races at St. Petersburg, Long Beach and Belle Isle (oval/street = indy).

I've been watching Sufers for years, and of cos I never expect any "entertaining" races there~
but I sure do love to see the drivers tackle those tight chicanes thru, hence the point I made about the handling of those indycars compare to champcars~

Quote from chanoman315 :

That track was always boooring. Except when it was CART and a big crash happened at the start with a lot of rain

they then spent the remaining laps behind the safety car (2hrs or so) until they red flag it because the track was just too wet to race...

Quote from PLAYLIFE :

IRL car width: 200 cm

ChampCar (Panoz DP01) car width: 200 cm

Judging a cars width or handling by the way it looks: dumb

did u watched the race then~? have you seen how the IRL cars were compared to the Champcars~?

they might be of the same width but the handling is still different, which was what I was pointing out. The differential in handling were to me very visible, especially at those chicanes.

the fastest lap last year in the Champcar with a 1:31.093, this year in the Indycar the fastest lap was 1:35.155, and where'd u think that 4sec came from~? the Indycars are around 100bhp down but it couldn't make a 4sec difference on a track filled with corners and chicane does it~?

not to mention those guys in Champcar they could somehow squeece side-by-side at the first lap at the chicane, what happened last weekend was a straight forward has to be single file. (at least there were plenty of run-off for short cutting, and their officials are more efficient at ordering a driver to hand back any position gained)

Judging a post as dumb by just point out a fact for one of the point in the post: dumb

anyone watched the race~?

the cars looked like a complete pig going round there compares to the Champcar, and the car seems very fat too, which wouldn't suit narrow chicane very well. the cars are so fat that it's next to impossible to drive side by side into a chicane at the start, everyone pretty much HAVE to go single file, or shortcut it, or crash.

wouldn't it be great if they can use the existing champcar chasis for road/street courses, and keep their current pig for the oval...

Quote from zeugnimod :

Hamilton had several bad races, too. So that means he is just as unworthy as Massa?

I already stated ages ago the drivers are making far too many mistakes this year.

Isn't it interesting that Kubica, who had at best the third quickest car on the grid, and sometimes even worse, would only be 12 points behind with 2 races to go, and he hadn't have a particularly brilliant season neither.

and if you want to state that, you shouldn't be quoting my quote, I was quoting what HE said wrong with Massa having one bad race.

Quote from Hyperactive :

Just because Masaa had one bad race it doesn't mean he's not worthy. Why should Louis win either? He can't even stop at the end of the pit straight without hitting red cars

Look at the whole season, not just the few laps when he wasn't at his best.

ONE bad race~?
were we watching the same 2008 season, or you forgot what happened in the opening two races and in Silverstone~?

Quote from samjh :

Massa lost whatever credibility he had. Kimi was just cruising and Massa still struggled to catch up.

If Hamilton doesn't make any mega mistakes in Brazil, he'll sweep the WDC clean off the cabinet.

Superb performance by Alonso again! I feel bad for Kovalainen.

yeah and to rub more salt to Heikki's wound, Alonso HAS MORE POINTS than him~!

Quote from sam93 :

Has the track had any changes in recent years, as Shumacher has the lap record of 1:32.238 and they wasn't hitting no where near that today.

just proved all the rules for slowing things down is working~!
was that back in the V10 days~?

Quote from Mustafur :

hmmm, Brazil will be intresting its the home race for massa and the same points difference hammy had from kimi last year..

If hamilton ****s up, i doubt anyone other then Massa will be leading.

yeah and the first few corners are quite tight too~

wow Lewis looks to be in soooooooooo good shape it didn't even look like he just climb out of the car~! and compare that to Massa's face... lol

Quote from DevilDare :

sooo? Its YOU who is fighting for the championship, why does someone have to give his place to him if he cant even catch up properly when Kimi slowed down drasticly..... Massa plz go back to Gp2.....

and 2001 was soo gay i threw up after the race.....

yeah I hate it too. Massa was just so slow throughout the race, but he still take 2nd thanks to Kimi and thanks to Heikki being no where to be seen.

but well, ever understand the term "team" and "teamwork"~? they are both driving for Ferrari, and they should drive for the best interest of Ferrari, which is to win the championship, and unfortunately to achieve that, included Kimi to let Massa pass.

Ford in the WRC even slowed two cars down to let one of their drivers take 3rd instead of 5th just a few weeks ago~ lol

Quote from DevilDare :

this is bullshit, this crap should not be allowed....

it kinda wasn't allow, but they are "team mate" for crying out loud, that's what a team is for.

but what happened in Austria 2001 was pure bullshit, this unfortunately isn't~ lol

oh here comes the "pass"~ lol