Quote from duke_toaster :

I appreciate that there will be a 24h race, but does all the balancing have to be based on KY3R

Remember that what wins on one track might suck on another. If they are even at KY3R, they might be totally unbalanced at (say) South City. If flying laps on all tracks were added together all 3 cars should be roughly the same. But different cars have different advantages on different circuits.
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That is exactly what i said in one of my first posts to this topic. you can't level them out on all tracks and even on one track with different race-length.

icq, pm, email... something like that

you can find Kenis data in the inscription thread, when you click his name. and failure can be found in the user-database under FM-Failure

don't ask me, ask failure or keni

i don't get why that much people vote for "wind: no".

Single Qualifying
1st #38 38,95
2nd #8 38,99
3rd #22 39,01
4th #42 39,03
5th #14 39,04
6th #18 39,04
7th #9 39,10
8th #13 39,17
9th #58 39,31
10th #88 39,32
11th #79 39,34
12th #66 39,38
13th #55 39,39
14th #3 40,12
15th #666 40,23


Starting Position for Main Race
1st #22
2nd #42
3rd #38
4th #14
5th #9
6th #8
7th #88
8th #18
9th #13
10th #58
11th #55
12th #79
13th #007
14th #66
15th #455
16th #74



Race Report


Lap 2
#42 weaved and hit #18 hard on front which caused a mass crash (CAUTION)
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CAUTION PHASE #1
Speeding under Caution
#007, #8, #14, #38, #42, #55, #58


Lap 4
#42 overtook #14 before pits when both entered pits under caution


Lap 5
#14 bumps #42 twice when exiting pits under caution


Lap 6
#42 brake to avoid a crash with #18 car, #14 was to close and crashed the #42
END OF CAUTION #1
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Lap 8
#13 Lost control and flipped his car
#9 Lost control and flipped his car


Lap 10
#007 Lost control and crashed #18, #18 flipped others crashed (CAUTION)

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CAUTION PHASE #2
Lap 12
#007 double filed before command came out and overtook other cars, it had no effect because he was the lucky dog


Lap 16
#13 and # 24 (in outer file) made a jump start, had no effect
#007 Jump start
END OF CAUTION #2
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Lap 17
#22 Lost control and caused a mass crash (CAUTION)

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CAUTION PHASE #3
Lap 18
#13 bumped #42 under caution because of flipped cars on track
#14 crashed #22 car in pit road


Lap 22
#13 stayed in wrong file and crashed himself out almost causing a crash with #38 which was on 2nd position
#88 gets stuck on apex
END OF CAUTION #3
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As the rules have changed a bit i did not give out any penalty, but as you can see in the race report, there are some drivers who would have been disqualified.

here is the points standing for the race according to the rules without the penalties:

Pos-----Car-----Points
1st-----#38-----200
2nd-----#42-----180
3rd-----#22-----180
4th-----#14-----165
5th-----#66-----160
6th-----#88-----155
7th-----#8------151
8th-----#007----142
9th-----#55-----138
10th----#79-----134
11th----#74-----130
12th----#13-----127
13th----#9------5
13th----#18-----5
13th----#58-----0
13th----#455----0
13th----#74-----0
19th----#3------0
20th----#666----0

Bonus:
Poleposition: 10pts Bonus for #22
Qualifying Bonus: 5pts Bonus for #22, #42, #38, #14, #9, #8, #88, #18
Leading Bonus: 5Pts. Bonus for #38,#42,#22
Fastest Lap: 5Pts. Bonus for #38
Highest Climber: 5Pts. Bonus for #66

Last edited by Fischfix, Tue, 22 May 2007 21:25.

simplified the green flag rules:

the race is now free at the very moment the "GREEN FLAG!!!!" message comes out. You DON'T have to wait to finish line to overtake.

with this g-force thing you there should be an option to fix the view on a server to "driver view" and the head should shake when hitting a curb

imo driver-view should be the only possibility in the game for racing

+1

sorry, thats a spelling problem then. because i really!!!!! searched before starting this thread.

i have made A LOT of changes to the rules which were necessary after last weeks-test-event.

in short:
- you don't have to have ventrillo or teamspeak installed, it is optional!
- voice-chat and game chat usage is reduced to a minim except race-control (pace-car driver and admin)
any unnecessary comment is a 10pts penalty, use a private channel for communication with your spotter or team-members

- green flag rule during the double-filed flying start at the main race

- NO DOUBLE FILE at RESTARTS, this is also very important to all potential race-leaders, as the it tells you when you are allowed to floor the pedal

- lucky dog pass, but no reordering of the field.

- pace-car speed will be not more then 120km/h in last lap. LIVE WITH COLD TIRES!

- team-championship: you can form a lfscar team if you are not racing in one team so far

- overtaking rules

- resets of flipped cars

- drafting rules

- bonus points for leading lap will count even during pacecar phases



i recommend to everyone to check all the rules section ON THIS PAGE as i will need some time to update the information on lfscar.com

Last edited by Fischfix, Tue, 22 May 2007 15:26.

can you post a screenshot of what it does at the moment?

+1

break wear is a very common thing in racing and lot of series have to deal with that kind of issue.

i know this has been mentioned before in several threads but no i a specific thread dedicated to this issue.

so here it is.


BREAK WEAR

i think it is his fault as long as you keep your line. if you brake to shut the door and he spins your end with his nose i would say its your fault. or probably would call it normal racing accident.

but in general it is his fault.

the shift+s and shift+p is a bit odd if you are used to the old ones. it should be editable by each user anyway...

the car is not only the model, don't forget it. it needs the physics and also balancing. then you need to update lfs-world. so i think 1 car per month is quite a lot for one guy who is working on other things at the same time....

Quote from frokki :

In my opinion Nuse already finished this topic. Of course you can speculate, for example, the weather of January 2nd, 2013, but I don't see the point in it.

i scratched my balls this morning and sniffed on the fingers and i saw it clearly in a mist of distraction: 2nd of january 2013 will be snowy here in austria.

Last edited by Fischfix, Tue, 15 May 2007 16:45.

ok nevermind. i will have a look at it. as 25 laps are behind the pacecar anyway it is not that much work...

Quote from byrney2004 :

As far as the reports go: I think I experienced three seperate offences but as it is a practice, I will not rock the boat by reporting these this time. However, I am curious to see how many points I will loose for the incident I had

byrney can you write those reports via PM if you don't want to blame anyone. so i have a clue where to look at. i really want to make it this time like it will hapen in the real races. so everyone knows what he can expect.

don't be shy for making reports, it is common business.

the format should be something like this:
Lap 16, #12 crashed me in T3

Quote from J.B. :

Just gonna post a quick list of problems I saw today. Not bashing, just trying to help.

-chaotic Ventrillo chat causing more problems than helping race control --> channel should be listen only with fishhfix being the only one talking.

exactly. me and the pacecar-driver

Quote from J.B. :

-problems with some messages: blue flag overrides green flag message and laptimes, yellow flag overrides drivethrough penalty message etc. I don't know if this can be fixed without Scawen changing something.

i can't do anything about it. thats also ventrillo for. if you are not certain, just ask and racecontroll (me) will give you the information in the future.
BUT race-controll won't tell you why your stop and go penalty is not cleared when you don't wait 10 sec.*g*

Quote from J.B. :

-lack of information for drivers and probably race control too: difficult to tell whether you are on the lead lap, which cars are on the same lap, who is directly in front/behind you etc. This makes it almost impossible to have organized cautions. Again we probably need Scawen's help here although I don't now how powerfull insim/outsim is to fix these kind of problems.

yep in the future there will be the pacecar driver and me (or an other admin) doing this stuff and helping you out with that.

Quote from J.B. :

-organisation (chat and voice chat) needs to be clearer and without delays for discussions etc. Just short commands, if people don't follow them, issue penalties or spectate them.

not following race-control commands will result in stop/go-penalty in the future

Quote from J.B. :

-after using car reset I went to the pits to do another reset as stated in the rules. But I couldn't do a reset there because LFS told me "reset not possible, would cause a yellow flag". So maybe this should be changed to drivethrough?

thanks for reading the rules. it was exactly what i expect everyone to do.
in the future i will give a stop/go penalty for every flipped car on the normal tracks (not on the autocross). you will be NOT ALLOWED to do a reset in the pitroad on normal tracks in the future. this will cause a race-disqualification after the race because of cheating.

Quote from J.B. :

-I didn't like how after the main race the organizers decided to have long discussions in ventrillo instead of either declaring the event over or getting on with it.

that was true, in the plan was a short race on one of the ovals but, as the long race was lasting that long i totally forgot about it. but i think the discussion after the race was more important. as ventrillo isn't mandatory in the future you just can leave after the "finish-foto" which we do after each race with all cars lined up on the track.

Quote from J.B. :

As I said, I'm not here to flame, I'll be there at the next race and I hope that some improvements can be made until then. I'm sure that if people learn the rules and concentrate and let fischfix get on with his job then this series can work.

thanks for your critics, this is exactly why i did a warm-up event just to sort everything out.

Quote from J.B. :

Hobaman, in case you're reading here, why did you spin me on lap 50? I watched the replay and I can't see how it could have been unintentional.

that is an issue i will look at when doing the race-analysis. if it turns out intentional it will be probably 25pts penalty. i will have a look at it.

thanks for your constructive critic, i will have a close look at them.

some of the things can't be changed due to the game (blue-flag overrides RCM messages and stuff)

as i am not racing in the series anymore ((( me and orgi will be the only one in ventrillo who are allowed to talk. i loved to race but as it looks now, it isn't possible. just to let you know, in the beginning i said, i will only do a 2nd season if i can race in it.

i won't make any voice-chat mandatory. you don't have to be there (it helps a lot if only race-control gives you information. but as it was yesterday when people where yelling about everything it just distracts everyone from racing.

we won't do double-file RE!starts in the future, however i will keep the lucky dog rule. and double-file at the normal start.

what was interesting for me is, the SPRINT-RACE went pretty well with everyone watching ...

... more answers will come

yep i need to know that too... i use joy2key. it is a freeware program which lets you set any key or key-combination onto your wheel.

sorry no, not at this stage of the whole thing. in first season we were lucky when we had more then 12 cars on track (with the exeption of the first and last race). the amount of active drivers decreases during a season. and i know some of them drive only certain combos. however thats one thing a qualifying is for. for the autocross layouts we will see how many can actually race there and the chance for a second server

if there are that much drivers today as have inscribed we will think about a second server. the server is not the problem but the admin and pacecar-drive. which needs some coordination.. FM has lots of servers which is not a big problem if there are really more then let's say 35 drivers around.

but that is also the test-race for, to see who is actually coming. how is the acceptance. i know that there are some drivers not coming today because they can't. we will see.

and the best tip i can give you: PRACTICE; PRACTICE; PRACTICE.

for me as an example, i think, that i won't be qualified on the aston race, just becaus i am not a good circuit driver and there a bunch of good ones.

BUT (this is a big BUT)

YOUR WORST RESULT WILL BE CANCELED IN THE STANDINGS ANYWAY.
It does not matter if it was a 5th, 22nd or a "did not qualify". your worst result out of the 10 races will be canceled.

no problem mate. exam first!

i don't pay for it not because of the price (i think its cheap enough) but the fact the most of the skins are crap anyway and from the 3000 skins in my folder i think i don't see 90% of the drivers on a regular basis. and when i see them again, they probably have a new skin. BUT it sure is an improvement to the game. i would pay for 2048x2048 skins though probably.