Turn off the FF, or just drive on auto with one hand

Dave, you can get the driving force pro in the uk for £67 delivered. I haven't used the momo one, only the DFP, but I don't think I could go without the extra rotation now that I've tried it.

I've noticed something very interesting on some of the LFS servers. The guys who have "BLUE FLAG YIELD TO ME!!!" hotkeyed to one of the F keys, are the same guys who will ignore yellow flags and flame the shit outta people for crashing and not instantly shift-s'ing.

I yield to blue flags every time at the first sensible opportunity, but I also act sensibly when I see a yellow flag and it's gotten me out of a lot of trouble, especially on circuits like South City. I see the yellow flag coming up and I slow down only to see about 4 guys plough straight through expecting the crashee to shift-s instantly and it's carnage when they realise that theres a car in the middle of the chicane causing a 5 car pile up, leaving me to weave gently through the chaos and carry on.

I do agree that people should use shift-s sensibly and considerately though, but fellow racers should also heed the yellow warning flags too.

The Nurburgring is a 100% race track, but the Nordschleife is a public toll road.

http://www.google.co.uk/search ... G=Google+Search&meta=

Quote from TFalke55 :

The Nürburgring Nordschleife is owened by the Nürburgring... (I know sounds a little bit silly) but the Nürburgring is a Compeny too. You have to pay to drive on it.

I thought you paid to drive the Nordshleife because it is a public access, one way, toll road. I dont know how it works in Germany, but in the UK, if a road is public then you can't charge people to drive on it.

I feel a fanboy moment coming on.

http://www.bhmotorsports.com/awards/4/winners/370
http://www.bhmotorsports.com/awards/4/winners/342
http://www.bhmotorsports.com/awards/4/winners/335


As for feeling shortchanged by LFS... When I play it I feel like a dropped a Pound and found a Tenner.

Quote from Shotglass :

and bramski maybe you should let memtest complete a few cycles to see if your ram is at fault (even though its rather unlikely that that particular bit up code always gets paged to the faulty bit of ram)

I'm going to let memtest run when I go to sleep tonight, hopefully I can see if my ram is faulty using that. I also just noticed that I have been running without a paging file too, I turned paging file back on and it hasn't crashed since (fingers crossed) so it's a puzzler but at least it's only me who is experiencing it so I'll get to the bottom of it one way or another.

It's my system Scawen, sorry if I wasted any of your time with these errors mate. I got an error in prime95 after I left it running for a few hours.

I now get this error crash error with T4.

Go to Controls, click on Axis/FF then Invert the brake and throttle so they are at 1. also make sure that in the DFP control panel the "report pedals as combined" is unchecked.

I get this random crash with T3.

I've got a new crash address for ya with T3 Scawen. I must be a jinx

Go online and spectate as often as you can and learn the braking points and how the drivers are using the gears to tackle tricky areas of each circuit, look at the brake and accelarator indicators on the bottom right of the screen to see how they are powering out of corners and how far you can trailbrake into corners.

You can also download world records and watch how they do it. It's a good way to suss out car/track combos.

Yea it's always done the skidmarks to heaven thingy since I first started playing in october. I'll grab a screenie of it.

Here's what it looks like, sometimes during a long race some corners can be littered with these skidmarks that are hading skywards.


http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skid2sky1gu.gif

Last edited by Bramski, Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:45.

Quote from letdown427 :

It does sound like you're having some pretty weird problems unique to your system?

Have you run memtest and prime95?

I know you're running stock, but still, at least then CPU/RAM can be eliminated?

I'll give prime a whirl mate as I have that installed. The strange thing is though is that LFS was rock solid for me before the recent update. Plus I have a lot of other games installed and none of them give me any hassle apart from Oblivion, but that seems to be crashing fpr a lot of people on their forums who have a broad spectrum of hardware configs.

Quote from DEVIL 007 :

Would be nice if you would also check if you have WHQL drivers installed.The drivers didnt get WHQL certification just for fun.

I know its quite a lot of work but the best way would be to format and install your system again with approved drivers.Then adding programs might show where the issue is.

I have WHQL 6.14 Catalyst drivers installed. I can run LFS on another backup HDD I have with a fresh XP install on it to see if it still crashes but to be honest I have just about every other sim installed on my machine and none of them give me crashes so I don't want to go formatting and reinstalling just yet, even though LFS and RBR is all I really play these days

Here's a new one. I wasn't actually driving when this happened, I was setting up a race against the AI when it booted me to deskto pwith this error.

(Ver. T2)




[edit] I also found this info relating to the last crash in the xp event viewer.
"Faulting application lfs.exe, version 0.0.0.0, faulting module ntdll.dll, version 5.1.2600.2180, fault address 0x000122ba."


Another 12 crash errors in the viewer relate to this address
"Faulting application lfs.exe, version 0.0.0.0, faulting module lfs.exe, version 0.0.0.0, fault address 0x00097adb."

Last edited by Bramski, Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:34.

Quote from Scawen :

Hmm, that turns out to be a mysterious crash, in the middle of the skid drawing code. But that's a reliable part of the program and is old and unchanged. So that's very confusing. Please can you try to get some more crash addresses or watson logs - to see if they are the same or if they vary? Is your computer overclocked at all - if so please try running with it not overclocked - I wouldn't want to spend time looking for a "bug" just because a cpu is making mistakes...

I'll be having a good session later this evening Scawen, I'll collect as much info as I can when it crashes and post it in here.

One thing I have noticed about the skids (which has always happened since I started playing in October) Is that some skidmarks shoot right up into the sky after a while and you can see a big black line heading skywards, I'll get a screenshot of it in-game so you can see what I mean.

My machine is all stock, no oc's and I have adequate cooling and ventilation.

It's pretty random but it seems to be when I'm cornering as my DFP locks up too even after I have closed the crash error screen. I have to go into the DFP control panel (or go back into LFS) before it releases it's current position.

Quote from Scawen :

Which version were you using when you got this crash? I need to be very clear on that or else I'll go looking in the wrong place.

T2 for that crash Scawen. I can go back to T and get that crash address too if it would be of any use to you.

I've been getting this crash error since the S patch, I tried T and T2 and I'm still getting it. I tried running the Dr.Watson program in the background to get some information on the crash but it's not giving me anything. All I have is this screengrab of the crash address. LFS never ever ever crashed on me before so I doubt it's a heat issue or a hardware fault. This isn't a gripe, just an error report

specs
amd3200+
2gb mem
Ati x800xl
Logidech DFP

There is new stuff for the demo, like new tyre behaviour, and updated physics. If you want more content just buy the game.

It doesn't matter if the patch makes things easier, the good drivers will still be good drivers, the poor drivers will still be poor, the average drivers will still be average, and the aliens will still be aliens. It just means we can all have a lot more fun with the cars now pushing them right to the limit.

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

Ya rly, instead of losing the back end on most of the RWDs, I actually managed to control the drift somewhat with the throttle. I'm the ultimate cannot-drift racer, but if I can hold a small slide, and do it again, I could see how it's become easier.

Maybe you've just become a better driver, and now the physics are a bit more in touch with reality you can actually drive the car at the limits of its capabilities. Before the patch you had to be really careful when cornering the RWD's especially exiting from an apex and applying the throttle, the car would just snap without warning. Now when your pushing too far the car lets you know and you can adjust accordingly.

If you watch this caterham video you'll see just how far you can push these things, imagine trying to do this in the LFS car park with the old physics

http://video.google.com/videop ... mp;q=caterham&pl=true


[edit] TBH I don't think many of us could do that even with the new physics either :P

Last edited by Bramski, Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:18.