Kid, if you got a ban for that here too, I would aproove completely. What, a couple of guys said "woah, give Kid a break, he's not so bad" and now you're Mother Teresa? Calm down. Tim is hardly acting arrogantly or ignorantly or anything like that. He's here asking for information so he can help LFS. As for his award, what the **** have you done to positively influence the LFS community or any other sim racing community for that matter? Even if he doesn't deserve that award (and I'm not saying that he doesn't because I'm not aware of his work) who are you to tell him that? Boo, hoo, you're an LFS beta tester. Big deal. Chances are you've cost LFS more than you've done for it over the years.
TMcArthur, sorry that you are not feeling very welcomed - the people who aren't welcoming are in the minority for sure and every community has them. I didn't feel very welcomed in the rFactor forum earlier this year either so saying this is only an issue in LFS is not true. Now guys, let's give this man a break - he's trying to do something FOR LFS, despite barely knowing the sim in the first place (only a demo user - for now 
).
MoE runs a live update system that shows what is going on in the race for the past 6 laps. Surely, a similar system can be used to compile end results too? - once in place, it wouldn't even need to be touched - or at most, just be reset between races. If you can't find the time to make something like this, you could ask in the Programmer's forum. They're a friendly bunch - someone ought to help your cause as it would certainly be good for LFS.
You could also use LFS Stats (this has to be done by a person on the server sadly - but maybe there's a way to do it from the server side too, after all, the "host" is essentially on the server). The advantage with that is the fantastic output that you get along with it. Here's an example. Its really become the standard for LFS league results. If you note above the results, there is a little underlined >. That will bring up qualifying results on the right. It is very easy to use. (Just for the record, I didn't really deserve that win - I just picked those stats because there were more cars there - it was T7R|Exodus who was flying until his connection died)
[EDIT: I see you mentioned race stewards - they could do this easily, all it takes is running an exe during qualifying, then another exe takes the output and makes an HTML straight out of it - taking all of 30s to do]
I also saw something recently, called "Live for Stats" - it can be found here. Apparently it does a similar thing on the the fly (so people who aren't racing can monitor race progress) but I haven't looked into it much. I think it uses LFS World's InSim Relay but you'd have to ask someone else how that whole thing works - basically its a race progress data feed being chucked out on the fly.
At the very least, you could get the data you seek from the MPR header format (I don't think qualy times go in there though). Writing a parser would not be much effort, but if you can't find the time to do it, again, ask in the Programmer's Forum. It shows the basics - car name and all.
If you dig a bit deeper into this whole thing, I think you'll find that (probably with more effort) LFS can output a heck of a lot more data than anything else.
).MoE runs a live update system that shows what is going on in the race for the past 6 laps. Surely, a similar system can be used to compile end results too? - once in place, it wouldn't even need to be touched - or at most, just be reset between races. If you can't find the time to make something like this, you could ask in the Programmer's forum. They're a friendly bunch - someone ought to help your cause as it would certainly be good for LFS.
You could also use LFS Stats (this has to be done by a person on the server sadly - but maybe there's a way to do it from the server side too, after all, the "host" is essentially on the server). The advantage with that is the fantastic output that you get along with it. Here's an example. Its really become the standard for LFS league results. If you note above the results, there is a little underlined >. That will bring up qualifying results on the right. It is very easy to use. (Just for the record, I didn't really deserve that win - I just picked those stats because there were more cars there - it was T7R|Exodus who was flying until his connection died
)[EDIT: I see you mentioned race stewards - they could do this easily, all it takes is running an exe during qualifying
, then another exe takes the output and makes an HTML straight out of it - taking all of 30s to do]I also saw something recently, called "Live for Stats" - it can be found here. Apparently it does a similar thing on the the fly (so people who aren't racing can monitor race progress) but I haven't looked into it much. I think it uses LFS World's InSim Relay but you'd have to ask someone else how that whole thing works - basically its a race progress data feed being chucked out on the fly.
At the very least, you could get the data you seek from the MPR header format (I don't think qualy times go in there though). Writing a parser would not be much effort, but if you can't find the time to do it, again, ask in the Programmer's Forum. It shows the basics - car name and all.
If you dig a bit deeper into this whole thing, I think you'll find that (probably with more effort) LFS can output a heck of a lot more data than anything else.
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Sorry for the lack of a reply - haven't seen James on MSN. You may indeed race.
1. Because people are cheapskates.
2. Everyone with an LFS account is automatically registered on the forum.
3. Say that around 33% of the community is still active (ie. people buy it and ditch it, others can't play at certain times of the year for whatever reason) in any given week. Say 60% of the community bought it for online play. that brings us down to ~6000 different people playing per week. Say you play a game 1-2 hours a week. That's about 1% of the time. That brings you down to an approximate 600 racers at any give time. You'll find my estimates aren't that far off because around the time of S2 being released the devs said something about 3000 unique racers online every week. That's probably doubled since.
Happy? Kthxbye.
You know you're an LFS addict when you watch an car video on YouTube and try to change the view with V. 
Let us now review obsolete_power's "respectful" opening post. I'll do something I don't like doing - dissect a post piece by piece so I can get my point across. I highlight in red the parts which piss me off (which is pretty much the whole post).
That doesn't sound like an opinion to me. It sounds like a rash statement.
Oh bugger, that's a bit backward. Somehow 19 cars are less than the what, 8 we had in S1? And what is "depth"? Everything about LFS has progressed over time so that statement is just flat out wrong. As for
Really? What about the physics?
Great, why do you feel the need to tell us about it?
Its a fact, get over it - no-one hid that fact from you when you bought the game.
That won't necessarily speed anything up - in a good way anyway. "They cannot keep up with the demand"? That makes no sense at all. If they cannot meet your demands (which is a totally different thing) then go play something else. You didn't buy slaves for £24, you bought a game.
Yeah, development takes time.
That's really respectful. Nice.
Woah. Read the EULA again. The devs owe you nothing. And, the devs are in high gear now, doing 10hour days. What more do you expect? They'd be doing less in a day job.
What's that got to do with anything? I'm sure they're satisfied or they wouldn't be here (yes, they are here).
Oh yeah? Then go play something else.
How about you get your act together and make us a better sim?
Oh no, HK will stop playing LFS. Whatever shall we do?
Come to what? Oh, you leaving? Bugger. I'll start weeping in a bit.
That doesn't sound like an opinion to me. It sounds like a rash statement.
Oh bugger, that's a bit backward. Somehow 19 cars are less than the what, 8 we had in S1? And what is "depth"? Everything about LFS has progressed over time so that statement is just flat out wrong. As for
Really? What about the physics?
Great, why do you feel the need to tell us about it?
Its a fact, get over it - no-one hid that fact from you when you bought the game.
That won't necessarily speed anything up - in a good way anyway. "They cannot keep up with the demand"? That makes no sense at all. If they cannot meet your demands (which is a totally different thing) then go play something else. You didn't buy slaves for £24, you bought a game.
Yeah, development takes time.
That's really respectful. Nice.
Woah. Read the EULA again. The devs owe you nothing. And, the devs are in high gear now, doing 10hour days. What more do you expect? They'd be doing less in a day job.
What's that got to do with anything? I'm sure they're satisfied or they wouldn't be here (yes, they are here).
Oh yeah? Then go play something else.
How about you get your act together and make us a better sim?
Oh no, HK will stop playing LFS. Whatever shall we do?
Come to what? Oh, you leaving? Bugger. I'll start weeping in a bit.
Obsolete_power, stop embarassing yourself. "Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie", that's all I hear. Some of us are here for the journey. And guess what, coding realistic phyiscs (something that LFS is probably at the top of in the currently available batch of sims) takes a heck of a lot of time.
You know what? Its December. Go out, get together with your friends (that's assuming you have some) and stop moaning on a forum like a 6 year old because you're impatient.
You know what? Its December. Go out, get together with your friends (that's assuming you have some) and stop moaning on a forum like a 6 year old because you're impatient.
ROFL.
I'm a moderator now? Cool.
The last big update was S2 Alpha? Please. What about April - that was MAJOR. Why do you need to tell people that you're tired of LFS? If you see something better, go knock yourself out. But of the love of god, don't start another one of these stupid, boring theads. There's been enough of them lately.
That's shocking language if you're a native english speaker.
Now please read my whole post a bit more carefully and then do what bo-kristiansen said. You paid, you played (and there by got your money's worth). If you don't like it, go away. If you do, be patient.
Scawen is "sitting on his arse" and programming 10 hours a day (not because he has to do it for you but because he wants to do it). You bitch about sound but if you paid attention you'd see that sound updates are around the corner. Eric's work only comes in incompatible patches. LFS is not dead or there wouldn't be 1000 people playing it online every other night.
Secondly, the developers don't owe you anything. You've driven some 5000km - at an average of say 170km/h, that's some 30 hours of LFS. £24 is about 3 nights out's money. That's more than 3 nights out worth of time that you've spent with it, so you should consider it money well spent.
Basically, a bunch of "Hell Knights" guys went emo and decided to start another bullshit thread. I hope they learn and not start another annoying thread after deciding they've had enough of Test Drive Unlimited. Now someone PLEASE, close this one on time.
Secondly, the developers don't owe you anything. You've driven some 5000km - at an average of say 170km/h, that's some 30 hours of LFS. £24 is about 3 nights out's money. That's more than 3 nights out worth of time that you've spent with it, so you should consider it money well spent.
Basically, a bunch of "Hell Knights" guys went emo and decided to start another bullshit thread. I hope they learn and not start another annoying thread after deciding they've had enough of Test Drive Unlimited. Now someone PLEASE, close this one on time.
+1 but I don't like mandatory pitstops anyway.
Certainly... it is well spen money in my book any day. Consider this, £24 is what I spend on average for 2-3 nights out (and I hear going out works out realatively cheap here in comparison to Britan etc). Say that the average night out is about 5 hours. 5*2.5 = 12.5hours. I've spent much more than 12.5hours enjoying LFS. I don't see what the issue is then.
And the whole "concerned fan" thing is getting really old and lame because if you were a fan you'd know how things work around here. We have a series of test patches which are compatible. During these, people complain about the physics/sound/whatever being neglected. Then we get a silent period of core work and the complaints are about not having updates. Then we get a physics patch and people are happy for 3 months. After that its bitch-moan-bitch-moan.
I don't blame the thread starter for this thread AT ALL, he was just looking for information, not telling the devs to change their way of working.
And the whole "concerned fan" thing is getting really old and lame because if you were a fan you'd know how things work around here. We have a series of test patches which are compatible. During these, people complain about the physics/sound/whatever being neglected. Then we get a silent period of core work and the complaints are about not having updates. Then we get a physics patch and people are happy for 3 months. After that its bitch-moan-bitch-moan.
I don't blame the thread starter for this thread AT ALL, he was just looking for information, not telling the devs to change their way of working.
AFAIK there was diff noise, not transmission whine. You could hear it on the FZR with a high final drive ratio. 
Haven't checked if its still there.
Haven't checked if its still there.Ask tinyk to do the voice for you
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Its all been said before.
Scawen's explained his motivation behind what he is doing now here.
Unless you have something new to add to that, please don't repeat all that, kthxbai. Firstly 95% of the time Scawen has spent on LFS since April has been pretty much must-do things. The Vista compatability was undeniably necessary. The auto-updater which is on its way is a good thing, the sound improvements too. Secondly, all the little compatible stuff HAS to be done at some point, so why not take a deep breath, get it done and in the remaining 5% of the time in-between the bigger stuff NOW, rather than being distracted by it when doing core development, get a solid compatible patch out there and get working on physics/sound/AI/whatever else?
Its all been said before.
Scawen's explained his motivation behind what he is doing now here.
Unless you have something new to add to that, please don't repeat all that, kthxbai. Firstly 95% of the time Scawen has spent on LFS since April has been pretty much must-do things. The Vista compatability was undeniably necessary. The auto-updater which is on its way is a good thing, the sound improvements too. Secondly, all the little compatible stuff HAS to be done at some point, so why not take a deep breath, get it done and in the remaining 5% of the time in-between the bigger stuff NOW, rather than being distracted by it when doing core development, get a solid compatible patch out there and get working on physics/sound/AI/whatever else?
BHMS always do better awards. This is funny shit though. 
LFS is on 71% or something now. 
LFS is on 71% or something now. Perhaps I can get someone to ask the Kyalami guys if they're interested in something like this (I think a few people I know have connections higher up - if not, I'll just send them an e-mail). I know of two other SA tracks that won't be too difficult to get but they're both rubbish TBH - Wesbank raceway and Zwartkops. Aston National is probably more challenging than the former and I've been around Zwatrkops in a Porsche Boxter S on semi-slicks and its very mickey-mouse.
and I've been around Zwatrkops in a Porsche Boxter S on semi-slicks and its very mickey-mouse.LXCC Participating Racers - 16/12/2006 (Event 4)
You know the drill:
Team Name
LX4 Driver - Name (LFS license)
LX6 Driver - Name (LFS license)
Team Name
LX4 Driver - Name (LFS license)
LX6 Driver - Name (LFS license)
An excellent point!
Relax, I just came out of a race,
This is the Tuesday division where there's no space anyway. I'd like to speak to James over MSN before giving you a final answer but its OK by me.
This is the Tuesday division where there's no space anyway. I'd like to speak to James over MSN before giving you a final answer but its OK by me.
LXCC Participating racers - 19/12/2006 (Event 5)
Gonna do this one in a timely fashion for a change.
You know the drill:
Team name
LX4 driver - name (LFS license)
LX6 driver - name (LFS license)
Server's up for practice with the correct combo already for a change too.
You know the drill:
Team name
LX4 driver - name (LFS license)
LX6 driver - name (LFS license)
Server's up for practice with the correct combo already for a change too.
Race 4 - Post-race discussion
I had a good one guys.
Thanks for racing - here are the qualifying and race results.
Thanks for racing - here are the qualifying and race results.
Passwords sent out. If you haven't received one, please contact me ASAP.
LXCC Participating racers - 12/12/2006 (Event 4)
Late again. :doh:I've been slacking lately, I probably need someone to co-admin LXCC with me (PM me if you're interested)...
Anyway, you know the drill.
Team Name
LX4 Driver - Name (LFS License)
LX6 Driver - Name (LFS License)
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