Yes, though they will likely be archived.
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They'd just need to rewrite the clients to use a different master server that doesn't ask for license and can also share the host list. Who needs the master server sources when it would be comparatively easy to simply write a new one? Since you'd have the sources of the client you could make the client accept any communication format you'd like.
Also Scawen himself has stated years ago when those discussions first came up, that he doesn't want to manage other people or have other people meddle with his code forcing him to review it or rewrite it if it interferes with other code parts. And unless you have very strictly enforced guidelines and someone who is dedicated to keeping things in order, open source simply sucks in many many aspects.
Not. Gonna. Happen.
Also Scawen himself has stated years ago when those discussions first came up, that he doesn't want to manage other people or have other people meddle with his code forcing him to review it or rewrite it if it interferes with other code parts. And unless you have very strictly enforced guidelines and someone who is dedicated to keeping things in order, open source simply sucks in many many aspects.
Not. Gonna. Happen.
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*groan*
If the wind does end up blowing your direction... open up the windows and have the most realistic olfactory LFS experience anyone has ever had 
No, unfortunately there is no way to make the XFR use the H-pattern shifter. In the past the XFR actually was H-pattern shifted, but it got changed somewhere down the line to be sequential only. I much preferred it when it wasn't sequential, to be honest.
Hmm, not exactly. It works similar as in always affecting all wheels, but it's not the same.
Brake help is made completely obsolete by ABS (it's like an extremely primitive version of ABS), but I'm not sure if it's automatically disabled if the car has ABS activated.
You can easily test this by enabling both ABS and brake help and making a setup with strong brakes. Then brake hard at 100% and steer into one direction. If the red brake indicator bar in the lower right corner stays at 100%, brake help is disabled or at least has no influence / doesn't engage.
You can easily test this by enabling both ABS and brake help and making a setup with strong brakes. Then brake hard at 100% and steer into one direction. If the red brake indicator bar in the lower right corner stays at 100%, brake help is disabled or at least has no influence / doesn't engage.
That's what I thought at first too, but then I realised they actually have to do a chromosome test, because (s)he could've had a gender reassignment surgery.
This isn't true for all G25 wheels, though. That said I never really liked the paddles either. The shifter might be finicky, but it just feels much more satisfying to use compared to the paddles.
Fixed
(In case you haven't noticed, the G25 shifter is not compatible to the G27 (yet?))
The short bus is!
You rated this thread '5'! Great job, go hog wild!
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I'd say that's a bad translation for "uploaded"
Hmm, not so impressed to be honest. My personal favourite would be a G25 wheel with 4 instead of 2 round buttons, helical gears, G27 pedals (though they don't really matter G25 pedals can be easily modded anyway) and G25 shifter (mine's modded to use a plastic BB instead of the metal ball, though. That clicking was annoying). It's hard to say if a sturdier shifter would be worth losing the sequential mode, but I err on the side of "no."
Honestly the only real improvement I see are the helical gears. If I today had to decide between G25 and G27 then that'd be the only reason I'd have to think about it at all. Given the price difference, however, the G25 would almost definitely win.
Honestly the only real improvement I see are the helical gears. If I today had to decide between G25 and G27 then that'd be the only reason I'd have to think about it at all. Given the price difference, however, the G25 would almost definitely win.
Dude, rejoining the track from the pits or joining significantly after the race has started has nothing to do with blue flags. If you cause a crash from rejoining the track, no matter if due to a previous crash or pitstop, you deserve any punishment you get.
If you are a midrace joiner then you best act in a way so others don't even know you're there. You don't fight for position, you don't overtake or closely follow someone who's actually in the race and if the leaders approach from behind then you better disappear in an instant, be it by going on an offroad excursion or pitting (though the latter is preferred since some people are even a hazard off track). Maybe that's different for the unwashed masses of demo racers () but the most you do on a midrace join is, while not hindering anybody, test setups or simply warm yourself up a bit - not partaking in the race.
In Formula 1 if you're blue flagged you're expected to let the leaders pass ASAP by going out of your way to make room. However, like I said, in LFS you generally don't follow those rules (unless specified by the server).
If you as the leader have tyre problems and the backmarker is actually faster then he's allowed to unlap himself. Just because you're the leader doesn't mean he can't pass you when he's faster. Though that all depends a bit on the circumstances and driver skill involved. Of course if you're a complete newbie that has been lapped you shouldn't endanger the leader by attempting to overtake just because he made a slight mistake.
Now yes, a 10 lap race is probably not enough to cause lapping by pure speed difference. However even if someone screws up and ends up getting lapped in even such a short race, that doesn't mean he has to give up. Maybe someone else also screwed up and the backmarkers are actually having an intense fight for position. Now why should they cease the fun they have just because the leader approaches? If anything, the leader should be happy to finally get some change of scenery.
I think you simply lack the perspective of a S2 licensed racer here. On demo servers you have only three low powered cars and one track that is raced on over and over and over. People are so used to these tracks that the laptime difference is much smaller than what you'd get in a field of high powered cars on a track that people aren't used to drive on nearly as much as a demo racer is used to BL1.
If you are a midrace joiner then you best act in a way so others don't even know you're there. You don't fight for position, you don't overtake or closely follow someone who's actually in the race and if the leaders approach from behind then you better disappear in an instant, be it by going on an offroad excursion or pitting (though the latter is preferred since some people are even a hazard off track). Maybe that's different for the unwashed masses of demo racers (
) but the most you do on a midrace join is, while not hindering anybody, test setups or simply warm yourself up a bit - not partaking in the race.In Formula 1 if you're blue flagged you're expected to let the leaders pass ASAP by going out of your way to make room. However, like I said, in LFS you generally don't follow those rules (unless specified by the server).
If you as the leader have tyre problems and the backmarker is actually faster then he's allowed to unlap himself. Just because you're the leader doesn't mean he can't pass you when he's faster. Though that all depends a bit on the circumstances and driver skill involved. Of course if you're a complete newbie that has been lapped you shouldn't endanger the leader by attempting to overtake just because he made a slight mistake.
Now yes, a 10 lap race is probably not enough to cause lapping by pure speed difference. However even if someone screws up and ends up getting lapped in even such a short race, that doesn't mean he has to give up. Maybe someone else also screwed up and the backmarkers are actually having an intense fight for position. Now why should they cease the fun they have just because the leader approaches? If anything, the leader should be happy to finally get some change of scenery.
I think you simply lack the perspective of a S2 licensed racer here. On demo servers you have only three low powered cars and one track that is raced on over and over and over. People are so used to these tracks that the laptime difference is much smaller than what you'd get in a field of high powered cars on a track that people aren't used to drive on nearly as much as a demo racer is used to BL1.
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Blue flags are not uncommon to happen during proper races that aren't just 5 laps long. Also most of what you talk about is covered by my paragraph about midrace joining, which is a completely different scenario.
Strictly speaking, since in LFS we don't follow Formula 1 rules, the blue flag is just a warning that you're getting lapped and that you shouldn't block passing attempts. Passing backmarkers is a part of the race and it should not be a problem to let someone pass without causing trouble. In the end the responsibility of passing safely lies by the one who is performing the overtake; if the pass is attempted at an unsafe location then he is to blame if something goes wrong. Of course I shouldn't have just worded it "run a bit wide into the next corner" but added "where it is safely possible to do so."
If you're being held up by a backmarker that isn't actively blocking your moves then that's tough luck I guess. Probably means you should improve your passing skills too. Just because someone's slower doesn't mean he should shift-P immediately as soon as he sees the "BLUE FLAG" text, especially if he's not being an idiot about the blue flag. If you're getting cursed at for not leaving the race line immediately even though the rules don't state so then just don't respond.
Strictly speaking, since in LFS we don't follow Formula 1 rules, the blue flag is just a warning that you're getting lapped and that you shouldn't block passing attempts. Passing backmarkers is a part of the race and it should not be a problem to let someone pass without causing trouble. In the end the responsibility of passing safely lies by the one who is performing the overtake; if the pass is attempted at an unsafe location then he is to blame if something goes wrong. Of course I shouldn't have just worded it "run a bit wide into the next corner" but added "where it is safely possible to do so."
If you're being held up by a backmarker that isn't actively blocking your moves then that's tough luck I guess. Probably means you should improve your passing skills too. Just because someone's slower doesn't mean he should shift-P immediately as soon as he sees the "BLUE FLAG" text, especially if he's not being an idiot about the blue flag. If you're getting cursed at for not leaving the race line immediately even though the rules don't state so then just don't respond.
In the end it all depends on the rules of the server, and very rarely does a server state "do whatever you want." Even if the server has no specific rules, a certain etiquette is expected to be followed. Since I don't have anything better to do right now, I'll write up a nice wall of text just for you.
On race servers, this usually means don't midrace join OR stay the hell out of people's way if you're a midrace joiner. There's no excuse for you ruining someone's race if you're not actually part of the active race.
Second, don't be an idiot about blue flags. Unfortunately the rules on this can vary but generally if you're blue flagged (which means someone that's actually in front of you position-wise is approaching from behind) stay calm, don't make any sudden movements to "get out of the way" and don't block any passing manoeuvres. It does not mean you have to remove yourself at all costs ending your race as some people would have you believe, however. Generally a good way to handle this is to run a bit wide into the next corner, so that you can be safely passed on the inside of the corner.
Third, don't drift. This doesn't mean oversteer is forbidden - which would be stupid as it's a part of any race (usually a mistake) - but DO NOT ever drift through a corner intentionally. I'm aware that with certain setups or in certain rare situations a slight drift can help rotate the car around, keep the engine revs up, etc. but most of the time you'll end up as an obstacle to other racers that suddenly takes up twice as much space and if you get tapped (which happens during racing) it's likely you won't be able to recover since you're intentionally already using up your corrective reserves. Also it is not faster. If you don't believe me, then you're not thinking about the correct timeframe: a race is longer than one corner or lap. If you drift then your tyres will be red-glowing soapbars at latest by lap 2 - beforehand you may have been only slightly slower than regular racers, but once you reach that point your race is de-facto over. You'll never see a drifter win a race because they do not preserve the tyres at all. Has nothing do do with skill but just basic physical laws and common sense.
Of course you don't ever intentionally crash anyone either, but I guess that goes without saying.
Now, drift servers are probably the most lenient in regards to rules. If you race (non-drifting) on a drift server then you're probably no stranger to the short bus, but in any way you'd be missing the point. You go there to drift. Be it drift battles or just general dicking around sideways, what you do is drift, in all forms you can think of.
And lastly there are cruise servers. Universally disliked and avoided by the "grown ups", cruising is basically the drama whore of LFS. Seriously, the amount of tears and wrist-cutting rage produced by these servers is second to none, and that's not even counting cruise vs. non-cruise disputes. The problem here is that the cruising community consists mainly of younger people (since people with driving licenses prefer to do things they don't do everyday in RL, namely racing or drifting), which means more often than not testosterone wins over reason. From the stories you hear on these forums you can expect anything from a relatively chill place to a server crammed full of whining regulars and rampant admin/cop abuse. Just give it a try, you might find a server that you like (they're all different, mind you) and at worst you'll get banned, which in my opinion isn't much of a loss really
On race servers, this usually means don't midrace join OR stay the hell out of people's way if you're a midrace joiner. There's no excuse for you ruining someone's race if you're not actually part of the active race.
Second, don't be an idiot about blue flags. Unfortunately the rules on this can vary but generally if you're blue flagged (which means someone that's actually in front of you position-wise is approaching from behind) stay calm, don't make any sudden movements to "get out of the way" and don't block any passing manoeuvres. It does not mean you have to remove yourself at all costs ending your race as some people would have you believe, however. Generally a good way to handle this is to run a bit wide into the next corner, so that you can be safely passed on the inside of the corner.
Third, don't drift. This doesn't mean oversteer is forbidden - which would be stupid as it's a part of any race (usually a mistake) - but DO NOT ever drift through a corner intentionally. I'm aware that with certain setups or in certain rare situations a slight drift can help rotate the car around, keep the engine revs up, etc. but most of the time you'll end up as an obstacle to other racers that suddenly takes up twice as much space and if you get tapped (which happens during racing) it's likely you won't be able to recover since you're intentionally already using up your corrective reserves. Also it is not faster. If you don't believe me, then you're not thinking about the correct timeframe: a race is longer than one corner or lap. If you drift then your tyres will be red-glowing soapbars at latest by lap 2 - beforehand you may have been only slightly slower than regular racers, but once you reach that point your race is de-facto over. You'll never see a drifter win a race because they do not preserve the tyres at all. Has nothing do do with skill but just basic physical laws and common sense.
Of course you don't ever intentionally crash anyone either, but I guess that goes without saying.
Now, drift servers are probably the most lenient in regards to rules. If you race (non-drifting) on a drift server then you're probably no stranger to the short bus, but in any way you'd be missing the point. You go there to drift. Be it drift battles or just general dicking around sideways, what you do is drift, in all forms you can think of.
And lastly there are cruise servers. Universally disliked and avoided by the "grown ups", cruising is basically the drama whore of LFS. Seriously, the amount of tears and wrist-cutting rage produced by these servers is second to none, and that's not even counting cruise vs. non-cruise disputes. The problem here is that the cruising community consists mainly of younger people (since people with driving licenses prefer to do things they don't do everyday in RL, namely racing or drifting), which means more often than not testosterone wins over reason. From the stories you hear on these forums you can expect anything from a relatively chill place to a server crammed full of whining regulars and rampant admin/cop abuse. Just give it a try, you might find a server that you like (they're all different, mind you) and at worst you'll get banned, which in my opinion isn't much of a loss really
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Except it's actually anything but "do whatever you want", but you'll find out yourself anyway.
Don't go there. Problem solved.
Yep.
No. It is not faster. It ruins your tyres. You'll probably get kicked or banned if you intentionally drift on a race server.
Yep.
No. It is not faster. It ruins your tyres. You'll probably get kicked or banned if you intentionally drift on a race server.
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