Nobody has reached the maximum ballast yet, so I don't see where is the problem to change it during mid season if that's necessary - it haven't/won't make it unfair towards others since the maximum hasn't been used before.
I chose 60kg at first place, because that was what I was advised to do, but nobody has tested this before with STD cars, so nobody could have known 100% what ballast would be the best.

And, yes, I am allowed to change rules if its necessary during mid season as it says in the rule book. And I am contacting many other people a lot lately asking many different questions what is best to do, also organizers from Super GT Series and other leagues. But the biggest problem with contacting other people is that each one of them tell a different story (probably the one that is better for them).

But then again, this is not Super GT Series or any other league, so get over it. Get used to something different and not just the normal way it is usually "supposed" to be. Many of you keep telling "But in that league it is like this and that..." -> this league has nothing to do with other leagues, as simple as that.

Official Race Results have been added.

Quote from IsaacPrice :

Why?

60kg was too much. The rule is supposed to make it a bit closer and fairer racing and not restrict top drivers to have any chance for high positions. + And as it proved in FE track the rule did help overall, some drivers will earn a bit more kg for next round, which should even up the things even better, but there is no point to exaggerate with the ballast.

And nobody payed me isaac, this was only mine decision, I haven't spoken to anyone about this. :P

Small change in the rules:
Maximum ballast possible is decreased to 45kg. It was 60kg at the beginning.

I will update the rule book sometime later.

Sorry to hear, but okay, it is your decision, so no problem - take care.

Thanks everyone and thanks CoRe for this opportunity. I hope to find a good bound with the rest of the team and have fun while being here.

R.Pinto - Don't overrreact, I am not top screen shot editor, you just haven't seen others that often or at all. But yes, it seems that we have got a little bit of everything in the team now.

Quote from TypeRacing :

Session/lap/time: Sprint Race/4th lap/7:50.00
Car numbers (of the involved cars): 33 and 67
Description of the incident: Car #67 tapped me on the side of rear bumper, Car #33 spun, despite of braking, Car #67 pushed Car #33 to the wall. Damage for Car #33 and loss of positions(Car #33 had to wait utill whole grid went though and then join).

Even after car #67 being almost behind car #33, he still doesn't want to give up his place and doesn't brake or even lets go off gas before going into turn resulting an obvious crash. #67 still doesn't brake after hitting car #33 and only lets go off gas pushing XFG right off the road into the wall.

Conclusion:+15sec added to finishing time for an easily avoidable incident and a warning for the future rounds, meaning that if something similar happens, you might be disqualified from rounds.

Quote from manneF1 :

Session/lap/time: Feature race, lap 1, 0:56
Car numbers (of the involved cars): 117, 63
Description of the incident:63 dives for the inside line, touches and makes me spin losing many positions.

Car #63 had too much speed and didn't calculate the right distance, so it resulted in a divebomb and a small lag from car #63 which made car #117 fly off the road and spin loosing time and many positions.

Conclusion:+10sec added to finishing time for an avoidable incident.

Quote from kart-36 :

Session/lap/time: Race 2, Lap 1, 51sec+
Car numbers (of the involved cars): 36 (J.Holmes), 54 (M.Meriluoto)
Description of the incident: Coming into Turn 2 I go for a move on Mikko, i then back out of it as i see he just ignores me. I get a better exit and get ahead... Mikko then rams me up the rear and goes for move which is quite obviously just some rage against my earlier attempt of an overtake. He then actually cuts over the tyres and pushes me off the track costing me like 3seconds and losing about 3 places.

Session/lap/time: Race 2, Lap 2, 3:15:00
Car numbers (of the involved cars): 36 (J.Holmes), 99 (I.Price)
Description of the incident: Isaac runs wide and hits the wall, I go for a cut back and for some unknown reason he finds it necessary to just turn into the side of me and what looks like an attempt to spin me.

Situation #1:
Car #54 goes for an interesting overtake off the road which results pushing car #36 off the road.

Conclusion:+8sec added to car #54 to finishing time for an avoidable incident.
Also, warning to car #36 for the future rounds - after you came back on track, you took a very wide turn just to hit other cars so they wouldn't pass you and then you made D.Raižys go off the road. You have to respect others even in situation where you have just had a crash.

Situation #2:
Well, first of all car #99 didn't hit a wall, so you don't have to make the story more interesting than it already is. Well, it does seem like it was an attempt to keep car #36 behind car #99, but it didn't result in any incident and you probably didn't even loose time.

Conclusion: Warning to car #99 for future rounds for an "attempt" to make other car loose time in situation where it could easily be avoided. Multiple similar attempts may result in a penalty.

Quote from reigga :

Session/lap/time: Feature race, lap 1, 0:53
Car numbers (of the involved cars): 36, 54
Description of the incident: 36 dives 54 and uses 54 as brakes to make the corner.


Session/lap/time: Feature race, lap 1, 1:48
Car numbers (of the involved cars): 52, 54
Description of the incident: 52 goes for a gap that's been filled by 99 and doesn't realise that, then hit's 99 and after that hits me, rams me and puts me almost sideways. After that he doesn't even lift off but rather keeps full throttle and just uses me even more to make the corner and goes wide. After that he rejoins the track from gravel with grass on his tyres, hits me first on entry, then on exit slides because of the grass on his tyres which leads to me being pushed off the road.

Situation #1:
Dives, uses as brakes -> Somehow you are overreacting with the word choice you are using to describe this incident. I mean, mostly the reason he hit you was because you suddenly turned right to take your trajectory which was already slightly too late to do. You didn't leave him much space although you had much left on the left side. And the hit was very tiny, you barely lost anything + car #36 went full brakes trying to avoid hitting you when you suddenly turned on him. You gave #36 a lot of space to take the inside on the straight, but then suddenly wanted it back. Yes, I agree that car #36 maybe should have braked earlier knowing that you might do a late defensive move, but his move was not a divebomb and this is really nothing to be reported. You all have to be more careful on track.

If you had taken the defensive move earlier to let car #36 know that you won't just let him pass like that, it would have been a different story, but here it is not.

Conclusion: No penalty to car #36.


Situation #2:
What you said in your description is pretty much right, so I won't make any corrections.

Conclusion: +8sec added to car #52 finishing time for reckless driving and rejoin.

Quote from IsaacPrice :

Session/lap/time: Feature race, lap 1, 0:38
Car numbers (of the involved cars): 36, 99, 91
Description of the incident: 99 is overtaking 91 into t1, they make contact in the middle of the corner causing 99 to have a slowish exit. 36 proceeds to run 99 out of road on the exit of the corner and cause contact between the 2 cars causing 99 to lose 2 positions.

Session/lap/time: Sprint race, lap 1, 1:02
Car numbers (of the involved cars): 36, 99,
Description of the incident: 99 runs wide and pushes 36 to the inside of the road, however 36 intentionally(see quote below) doesnt leave 99 enough room and forces him onto the grass as proven in this quote:

Situation #1:
The situation is exactly how you described it, so no corrections done.

Conclusion: -3pts taken off for car #36 from this rounds earned points for late braking and slightly hitting car #99.


Situation #2:
Your description is pretty much correct except for the "intentionally" part. That quote doesn't proof anything of intentionally, it only proves that he didn't brake because he didn't have to in this situation. And as you already mentioned, you were trying to push him into the inside so it was your fault why the incident happened at first place - you have to be realistic, at that speed, from the very inside, it is impossible to take the turn without going a bit wide + you weren't on the very outside of the track yourself, but kept close to car #36. None of you were on the trajectory line either and car #36 was in front of you, so I see no reason why would he had to back off. On the other hand, I see why you had to leave him more space from inside or even give away the position.

Conclusion: No penalty car #36.

Quote from Peña Racing :

Session/lap/time: Feature race, lap 17, 31:17
Car numbers (of the involved cars): 117, 90
Description of the incident: 90 goes out faster of the chicane and being "almost" parallel, 117 hitting close to 90.
If he had changed the drawn line before, nothing would happen and would be legal but did late and did a little dirty.

Car #117 makes a late block resulting car #90 to loose any chance to overtake him on the last straight.

Conclusion: -1 position for car #117 giving his place to car #90 for an avoidable and late blocking.

Also, warning to car #19 P.Wdowiarz - For too much lagging and knocking out other cars, next time will result in a disqualification if not fixed.

Last edited by andRo., Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:25.

High-res pictures - DOWNLOAD

Last edited by andRo., Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:49.

Quote from MonTziK95 :

finally found a nice pic to paste my xfr. final entry

Post external image.

Ava Adore - Is there something from external image, or is it all done by you, if not, then you also post external image, although it doesn't look like there was any used.

Well, you are allowed to share your opinion about protests since your opinion sometimes helps me to decide the final decision etc., but don't get too serious about these things, this is not a place to start flame war on each other. If you signed up for this league, you should have understood that these cars are slow, everyone is very competitive, meaning - close racing and incidents here and there especially on such a narrow track like Fern Bay. I think the biggest problem with the some of the top drivers in the league (don't take this personal - just my useless opinion) is that you don't respect each other, so it results in you being more aggressive against each other in the race, that's why you have more incidents than the slower drivers. At least that's what I've noticed.
There was really nice fight between an XRG and XFG (A.Loginov if I'm correct), don't remember the XRG driver - it was clearly seen that they respect each other, they give space, they understand when to let go off gas etc., so their fight was very intense, close and without even scratching their cars they were overtaking back and forth each other in each turn going side by side. And this is just one example, because there were plenty of fights like this, but this one was very watchable for many laps.
I know that top drivers are fighting for higher positions, so that makes it more intense etc. and you don't want to give up, but if you would just give a little more respect to the drivers around you (even if you hate them), then I think there would be a totally different racing throughout the race.

Anyway, this said I didn't mean there were incidents in each turn. As for me, I saw very few incidents, but some of them were useless, this is why I think most of the incidents occur at first place, other than that there were great fights and very, very close racing. I enjoyed watching it, I am happy that there was a full grid once again, so I hope to see you guys in next round also.

Unofficial results added.

Thanks everyone for coming, hope to see you next round.
Also big thanks to Thilo Falkenberg for a great and interesting stream, Laurynas Matonis for helping to commentate the race, Ronalds Kronpušs for helping with the qualification and spdo racing for lending the server for qualification.

Last edited by andRo., Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:34.

You can post your protests 48H after the race ended.

Include this in your protest:

Quote :

Session/lap/time:
Car numbers (of the involved cars):
Description of the incident:

Replays - DOWNLOAD

Last edited by andRo., Thu, 9 Feb 2012 21:18.

Luckily for us, there will be a broadcast for round 2 by Thilo Falkenberg (TFalke55). Commentators will be: Thilo Falkenberg (I think) & Laurynas Matonis.
So, you will be able to enjoy the race even without in being the server! LFSWorld.net remote is also available now.

>LIVESTREAM LINK<
>LFSWorld.net REMOTE<

Last edited by andRo., Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:27.

Okay, thanks for notifying - next driver in the line is #102 K.Kontio.

Damn it, I forgot to change them, copy/pasted it from previous round, thanks! I left it to the last and kept reminding myself to change it, but forgot it anyway.

Good that at least someone notices these mistakes.

Sorry, I accidentally deleted you when I was changing places between you and M.Rukmanis and added another driver twice, so didn't notice there was less drivers than supposed to be.

You are there now. And thanks for telling.


Oh, and I can't put airio back in server, because the 500servers control panel is not working AGAIN, so sorry for that also!

Last edited by andRo., Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:59.

PM's have been sent to TOP64 drivers (hopefully all) with round 1 information. If you haven't received a PM, please ask me and I'll send it to you.
Make sure you qualify in the right server, each one of you received a PM with a server you must qualify in.

TOP1-32 drivers must qualify in Tiger Express Motorsports server.
TOP33-64 drivers must qualify in spdo GTi Public server.
Race server will be: Tiger Express Motorsports

Quote :

If someone from TOP64 can't attend the qualification, let me know at least 30min before the race. So that drives after TOP64 could have a chance to join the qualification.

BTW, it is now available to look via remote control at the racing server.

Round 2 Information:

Track: Fern Bay Classic reversed (FE2Y_F25).
Date & Time: 09.02.2012. (Starting at 19:00 UTC with 20min hardcore qualification)
Only TOP32 drivers from qualification can participate in the race.
Server names for qualification:
Tiger Express Motorsports (For drivers 1-32)
spdo GTi Public (For drivers 33-64)
Server Password: Will be PM'd to TOP64 drivers.

Sprint race: 9 Laps
Feature race: 17 Laps


Remember to use the right name format and particular drivers have ballast on. (There will be no Airio to control that during the official sessions.)
NOTE: There will be a HARDCORE qualification, meaning: You will not be able to use SHIFT+P/SHIFT+S during the qualification, you can only fix your car, add fuel etc. driving to the pits. There will not be any car reset and in case you spectate, you may not rejoin the track again. There will be race director controlling this, but in case race director doesn't work, it doesn't mean you can rejoin the track. (If done so, you will be spectated by an admin and disqualified if ignoring the warning multiple times.)

Chatting is forbidden during the official sessions.
Also, try to respect other drivers on hotlap when you are on outlap.

Skins: You may also send high-res skin you will use for the season via PM or upload it here at your sign-up. (This is only needed for the pictures which might be made after each round - skins will not be used for anything else).


Official pre-qualifying results: HERE

Last edited by andRo., Wed, 8 Feb 2012 21:19.

Official pre-qualifying results for round 2: HERE
Unofficial pre-qualifying results for round 2: HERE

Penalties:
#105 A.Loginov - Using wrong number in qualification. (+1 sec)

Other:
O.Rinne - Used already an existing number.
N.Puntola - Used already an existing number.

It was my fault though, since I hadn't updated the list and didn't tell them the numbers were already taken, so no penalty added, but you must change your numbers in the sign-up thread and notify me about it before the race tomorrow.



TOP64 move to the official qualification, which will be held tomorrow (Thursday) at 19:00 UTC. (20min hard core qualification.)
PM's with the info for TOP64 drivers will be sent today.

Since there was only 58 drivers who qualified, I filled the rest of the 6 spots with the drivers from Round 1 depending on their points in the standings. They will have a chance to participate without pre-qualifiying.

Also, if you know that you won't be able to attend the race, please let me know, so maybe the rest of the drivers in the "reserve" list want to drive.

Nope, it's not. I first have to do the results, so I will need an airio, but I'll do it today pretty soon I think, so airio should be up later and results will be posted a bit later also.

Quote from God Speed :

Full name: Mikko Niittymäki
LFSWorld username:God Speed
Full team name:[M&J] Racing
Country:Finland
Preferred number:89 (seems to be available in sign-up table)
Car:XRG

Its not available in the sign-up table, I haven't updated it some time already. So, choose look at the taken numbers in post one and last 5 sign ups.

Quote from J@tko :

Is that maybe because you set the password manually? If you set it in the config file it will automatically re-apply the password on a reboot

Yes, I see, but the server shouldn't be turning off/on or whatever it is doing by itself. And track and other things are also set manually, but it doesn't change those, just the pass.


undertaker - If there won't be 64 drivers, the rest of the spots will probably be filled in depending on the previous race results etc.

Last edited by andRo., Tue, 7 Feb 2012 13:18.

Yes, some other people told me that server was down also. Not sure why, though. But it seems that this has been happening for some time now, because after the server comes back it automatically takes the server password off and random people can join. Although it mostly happens during the night I think, but still...I think it's something to do with 500servers.com and not us.