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5haz
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I prefer not to pay for pussy.
5haz
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Do most people drink energy drinks for fun now?
5haz
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Blur - Badhead

Lovely Rickenbacker tone.
5haz
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A nice brew.
5haz
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There is intelligent life outside of Earth, on board the ISS.
5haz
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All these people are human beings, that's the only classification needed.
5haz
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Madness - Primrose Hill

Good to see them on top form at Reading last weekend.
5haz
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Pretty daft mistake really, Hamilton wanted to squeeze Kobayashi and misjudged the space available, or perhaps Hamilton though he could push Kobayashi into backing off early, only he knows. Surely he would've appreciated that Kobayashi really isn't the kind of driver that backs off easily.
5haz
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130mph on a runway.
5haz
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Quote from Intrepid :1. The funding cuts are a recent event and do not reflect on the average content the BBC has pumped out for years. 90% of BBC Three is turd for example and the less we speak about Radio "Everything is either 'legendary' or 'amazing' " One the better.

I notice you're very selective with your examples, and yet you moralise to us about bias. Personally I've noticed the number of repeats has probably doubled since the cuts started.

Quote from Intrepid :2. I don't think an impartial broadcaster is a real possibility, hence why the fundamental point of the BBC is a fallacy. It can not ever been anything more than the Guardian with bells attached.

Quite frankly I do not want to be forced to be pay for the broadcasting arm of The Guardian.

Do you even watch BBC news? There is nowhere near as much opinion as there is in the Guardian. Its very juvenile to associate everything to the left of centre with the Guardian, by the same logic everything to the right of say... Ken Livingston should be associated with Hitler. But thats not the case is it?

Quote from Intrepid :I prefer a completely free market and open press, full stop. I like the Guardian, I like the Telegraph. I like to CHOOSE to pay for those when I wish.

I suppose your idea of a free market is the vast majority of publications falling under the control of one man? I noticed you didn't use any News Corp papers as an example there.

Quote from Intrepid :Oh how different it would be if Murdoch put in an application for the licence fee.

Well durr, the man is under investigation and at the centre of a scandal that undermines entire states! If he applied for his own license fee it'd no doubt raise a few eyebrows. At least the state is (sort of!) accountable to us, while Mr Murdoch isn't.
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5haz
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The quality of BBC broadcasting has no doubt not been helped by the huge cuts forced on them. I see you've dropped your favorite word (monopoly) and replaced it with bias, was it not working for you?

Are you seriously naive enough to think a completely impartial broadcaster is a realistic possibility? Nothing run by humans will be completely impartial. The BBC certainly makes more of an effort at it than most privately funded broadcasters.
5haz
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Someone has to be last.
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Quote from Intrepid :You only think the Guardian makes any sense because you buy up 100% to their agenda, which they do have. Not once in that article does he mention 13 years of Labour rule... because Labour can't have any responsibility for the absolute GIGANTIC cock up they made of pretty much everything.

I buy up their agenda because it makes sense to me, I'm sorry but I won't pretend that views which don't make any sense to me do, for anyone's benefit. By the way, it is possible to hold views out of idealism without having some kind of insidious agenda behind them, sadly that doesn't seem to be the fashion in Westminster, either side of the floor.

Cameron may have not explicitly stated he wanted to hug hoodies, but his line on such things was remarkably different when he needed the masses to elect him to how it is now. He was very sympathetic to public sector workers too, now we have Oliver Letwin telling us they need "fear and discipline" amid sweeping job losses. My family know from personal experience that trying to communicate with HM Revenue and Customs is now one of the most frustrating experiences known to man, is that enough evidence to suggest major cuts do not equate to excellence?

You also use the term crowd pleasing in a pejorative fashion, surely the purpose of a democratically elected government is to please the crowd? Of course this would be the case if we actually lived in a democracy, and people weren't tricked so easily into voting against their own interests.

Just for the record, I've grown to despise Labour just as much as I despise the Conservatives. Just another club of public school career twats with different colour ties.

Quote from Intrepid :(that's taking the no society quote out of context. Poor writing)

What was the original context then? I can't see how "there is no such thing as society" can be construed in any other way. The gist of it is we shouldn't ask for assistance from anyone and we should help only our families first, at least that's true to conservative values, unfortunately Maggie was too detached from the people she ruled over to realise some people have no way of helping themselves. 24 years later and nothing has changed, the vast majority of a states problems stem the ignorance of its leaders about the population they lead.

By the way, I noticed you have no reply for my last post last night, are you going to concede or justify what you said?
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5haz
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You know your politicians have ... king more sense than them, why am I posting mostly Guardian articles? Because they're the only mainstream UK paper that's talking any sense at all.

Quote from flymike91 :@AndRand
Only because we have made it easier to take from the government than to provide for ourselves. Society as a whole has forgotten what it means to depend on no one but yourself or others who have the means to be charitable by choice.

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"I only came in this tread to tell you you're an idiot"

^^ If you just came into this discussion to tell me I'm wrong without backing it up with why you think you're right then you don't really want a discussion after all. All I can say is I read your posts and they were duly noted.

The right wing sure does love to play victim.
5haz
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Quote from Intrepid :You have been a direct beneficiary of tax avoidance, that's all I'm saying.

Money that should have (and that's a very loose should) been taxed, instead probably went to some kid racing, which you benefited from.

My point being that tax avoidance isn't born from some selfish place. Quite a few businesses have to otherwise they simply can't turnover a real profit. A profit that often gets re-invested and put towards new sustainable jobs.

You seem to fast to understand those who riot, yet wilfully ignore why someone might avoid tax.

Are you trying to claim spending money is the same thing as dodging tax? This is almost a ridiculous as the time you tried to convince us that musicians deserve no credit for their compositions because they work within previously established musical scales. Just how do you expect me to take you seriously when you take an argument to such implausible ends just to avoid conceding anything or opening your mind to conflicting ideas?

If a business can't turnover a profit, then its business model is wrong or there is insufficient demand for that businesses goods or services to justify its existence. I don't understand why some people begrudge any concessions towards individuals who are struggling financially, but are so willing to make excuses for businesses that are failing financially. People on benefits are supposedly lazy yet businesses on 'benefits' are supposedly poor squeezed job creators being unfairly picked upon. While a company can be liquidated or change its production to suit demand, and struggling person who can't find a job can't simply dissapear, as much as many upper class would wish they would, they can't change their skills to suit the job market either when this too requires money.

And in the reality much of the worst offenders are not corporations barely struggling to stay afloat, they're making multi-million pound profits!

Quote from Intrepid :Yeah I display a massive ego by linking to an Ace Ventura clip.

You're arrogant because your self assurance has absolutely no grounding in reality or conclusive proof.
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5haz
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Quote from Intrepid :... but I assume some of your competitors do have sponsors looking fro tax relief.

Without competitors you would have no one to race, and thus you yourself 5Haz are a direct beneficiary of a tax loophole and a tax avoidance technique. Thus making you a hypocrite

BOOM - Here endeth the debate. In the words of ace Ventura - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVoKlqbz1l4

For someone whose argument is made entirely out of very speculative conjecture, you seem very self assured. Lets not clutch at straws now, your initial point hit a very big rock when I told you I have no sponsors, you gets points for innovation for trying to nail me on the basis of my competitors being tax dodgers, but how can such an argument stand up without proof?

FYI, when I did have sponsors in my first season, they were the charities Teenage Cancer Trust and Richard Burns foundation, in fact they weren't even sponsors, we were representing them. I did many hours of charity collecting for both of them, there you go, my contribution to the big society, and I didn't even need Dave C to tell me to do it. There were also the obligatory family business stickers on the car and I'm pretty sure the old man didn't evade his taxes, otherwise we might've still had some money.

As much as you like to do it, direct comparisons can't be made between racing and life. Unlike a decent quality of life itself, racing is a privilege, not a right. I wont be doing anymore racing this season because the moneys run out and I can no longer justify paying the race entry fees when I have a student house to pay for. Race entry fees are not like public services, they are no essential to a reasonable quality of living.

Quote from Intrepid :HEY! Don't ruin my moment

Wow, how am I supposed to see your point of view if your heads that far up your own arse? Claiming victory for yourself just makes you look juvenile, especially when nobody wants to cheer for you.
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5haz
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Quote from Intrepid :Actually that raises a point there 5Haz. I hope none of the sponsors on that race car of yours are using it to avoid paying tax?

I would assume you'd automatically reject any sponsor who looked as if they were using it to avoid tax ?

Oh you're so sharp! Not sharp enough to know we don't have any sponsors though.
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Quote from Intrepid :With the amount of tax people have to pay in the UK - up to 60-70% of total income when you calculate overall tax burden - it's no surprise many people try to legally avoid tax.

It'd be fine if it was spent where it was supposed to be. Rather than plundered by a government that called itself left wing.
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Quote from menantoll :1. Make your mind up, they either plug them or they don't. or grow a pair and admit when you might have been wrong. I've done it more than once in this thread. It's called being a grown up.

2. Loopholes are exposed when they are used. Details have to be given to prove to mr tax man that the avoidance is legal. It just takes time get the legislation through to fill them. This is why the big accountants hold back on using new loopholes until the old ones are filled. It has nothing to do with the media.

Much of the avoidance isn't legal, and under the radar. The point being that much of this tax avoidance goes on completely unabated until someone bothers to pull them up for it.

Quote from menantoll :So now you've gone down the personal insult route? I'm not someone of importance so you don't actually read what I say you just read what you want to see and skip the rest. Thank you for confirming what I have been saying all along.

Considering you've just added several posts filled with unnecessary and thoroughly corny sarcastic laughter (a poor attempt at sharp cynicism perhaps?), then just instructed me to 'grow a pair' as well as called me a 'looney', you're in no position to criticise me over personal insults. Don't dish out what you can't take.

And I'm sorry, but I must be honest, you really aren't that important to me, and I'm sure the feelings mutual, but that's fine by me.

Quote from menantoll :I too quoted it directly with the subtle difference of putting in bold the part that you seemed to be ignoring. But at least now I know why. I'm not someone of importance so you don't read all I write. Go you!

I understand the subtle difference, I also understand that politicians use these subtle differences to sweeten what they are saying, a concept you apparently fail to grasp.

Quote from menantoll :The irony is strong in this one.

If you must know, I skip parts of what you type because they are of little importance to the actual debate, I've already explained to you that just because a politician says something doesn't necessarily mean his actions will follow his words, its not my problem if you're unable to take in anything at more than face value.
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Quote from Intrepid :I'd say quite a large percentage of the right-wing media is totally against the bank bailouts.

Blog after blog after news item after news item in right-wing media hates the bank bailouts and continuously makes the point. Had the banks failed cuts would still have been made though. The treasury relied far too heavily on bank tax revenue. There would have been a gigantic recession, but at least we'd be in a better of place now.

That's beside the point I was making, the point being that the right wing media rails against all your tax money supposedly going into letting benefit claimants live like kings, when in fact the reality is a significant portion of our tax has gone into bailing out wealthy people, I wasn't talking about the right wing media's position on the bailouts.[/QUOTE]
Please refrain from reading what you want to hear as opposed to the actual words.

Quote from Intrepid :One of those pals being Daniel Hannan who is one of the most vocal against the bank bailouts?

Regardless of what he says, the way things stand we're not in it together.

Quote from Intrepid :Maybe you should read more than JUST the Guardian.

Maybe you should drop your prejudice that every person who has opposing views to you somehow reads the Guardian.
5haz
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Quote from menantoll :Wrong, plain and simple wrong. Read a few Budget reports. There is always plenty in them about plugging loopholes. Just because you read it in the paper doesn't mean it's true.

They plug loopholes only after the media exposes them.

Quote from menantoll :I spoke about you not reading everything people say earlier and you have just proved my point. How could you possibly ask if I have looked at the link if I quoted part of it in a reply to you? Unless you didn't read all I said, or your brain simply won't let you acknowledge stuff that goes against your argument.

If I was talking to someone of any importance I might be more thorough, sorry. Just you seemed to imply that the link contained some piece of conspiracy theorist fiction when it was in fact a direct quote.
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Quote from menantoll :Do you really believe that tax avoidance is a government idea?

Tax avoidance is a glaring issue that no recent government has done anything to address, simply because it isn't in their personal interests to do so.

Quote from menantoll :I agree it's a big leap and probably a bit far so I apologise. Do you honestly believe the stuff written in that link though? Search deep down, look at the world around you. Do you really think it's true?

Looking the world around you is to miss the bigger picture. World changing events can happen while the street outside looks exactly the same.

Just because this state is a supposedly free democracy today doesn't mean there are those in power who want to change that, and they prey on people's ignorance of their intrigue.

The stuff written in the link is David Cameron's speech on the unrest, its the words that actually came out his mouth, did you even look at the link? There's even a video on the BBC of him saying it if that satisfies you.

Make of this what you will. Slightly tongue in cheek so try not to get too upset.
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Quote from menantoll :Come on Shaz keep up, we've been discussing this for a few posts now.

Have any valid response to that though? No I didn't think so.

Quote from menantoll :Ready for another belly laugh?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
and again
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I read that yesterday or the day before. It was written for people like you and the very fact that you have posted it confirms all I thought about you and your posts.
Don't forget your tinfoil hat to stop the government mind radars.

You remind me of me, three years ago.

Its quite a big leap from restricting civil liberties to mind control radars, but that kind of subtlety is lost on flippant idiots like yourself.

If everyone is going to do nothing but rant and condemn, and nobody is willing to actually sit down and rat out the causes and think of ways to fix them, then how the **** are we ever going to prevent this kind of thing?

Instead we're swept up in a great big moral panic. Everyone's perfectly ready to complain about chavs, but nobody wants to actually put their thinking caps on and even begin to address how the chav phenomenon actually came about.

All I can say is fine **** you all then, but don't cry your eyes out when this happens again, these riots present the biggest missed opportunity to fix this country in living memory.
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Quote from menantoll :Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, Now I know you are just a looney. What do you think benefits are? Where do you think the money comes from to pay for those benefits? Taxes that the rich people pay?

Ever heard of tax avoidance? Its rife among big business in the UK, in case you hadn't noticed.

Quote from menantoll :A typical example of not reading the words and missing out the ones that don't suit your agenda.

I've put the bold bit in so that you can't conveniently skip it this time.

The fact that they're even considering it seriously is worrying enough. Please don't fall for the reassuring political spin, just because he says hes considering whether it would be right means he probably wont consider to moral question of it at all, pretty much none of the big personalities in Westminster can be trusted, yet we let them abuse our trust repeatedly.

Well, this sums up the riot sitation ... oquently than I could...
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Quote from flymike91 :So DWB what do you suggest is done to make the impoverished and disenfranchised youth more equal so they'll stop rioting?

Using the public purse to help the poor, rather than the rich would be a start.

Anyone else catch Dave's statement on the disorder, get this...

https://plus.google.com/115169 ... 4705450/posts/3SaicHi6xGB

Evidently Dave and his friends at News Corp etc have got tired of social networking exposing their corruption and lies, and the riots presents a prime opportunity to crack down on it. Only 3 years ago I would've scoffed at anyone who said we we're sliding towards some kind of Orwellian nightmare, now I think the nightmare might be coming true slowly.
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