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Scawen
Developer
I've checked and if I select Autocross X or Skid Pad X then there is nothing at the Drag Strip start, only the red tarmac.

There is an uphill area at the end of the drag strip that starts to rise gently about 620 metres from the start. At the 750 metres point it has gone up by about 0.8 metres. At 800 metres it's up by about 1.5 m and finally at the end, around 960 metres from the start, the height is nearly 6 metres.
Scawen
Developer
Quote from Degats :Scawen, are the /CP values correct for the second image?
The camera seems to be in the right place, but pointing in the wrong direction. The other ones of that area seem to line up properly, but that one looks way off.

Correct, that was wrong and is fixed now if you go back to the page.
We've done a new image for the same /cp values.

EDIT: https://www.lfs.net/static/screenshots/ast201810/-40092390%20-420737%20915489%20828%20419%200.0%2040.0.jpg
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Scawen
Developer
Thanks for the comparisons!

I'm planning to make a converter for old layouts, that simply adds two metres height when loading. Clearly that won't work everywhere but it should mean that old layouts can be repaired relatively easily.
Scawen
Developer
Yeah I know what you mean, I see those roads too and wish I could drive on them. Smile

There are similar things at Blackwood. I don't know what the future holds for the external roads. I know Eric enjoyed doing that massive update at Westhill but it takes so long to do the main racing areas, there isn't really time at this point.

The trouble is all the tracks must be updated for us to be able to release the new graphical system at all. To do all the external roads can add months per track.

I hope some tracks might get a sort of Westhill treatment one day but I'm guessing it might be more important to do some car models first and then it might be time to add a new track. I'm just making this up though and this sort of prediction is usually wrong!
Scawen
Developer
Quote from Eclipsed :Still curious about the new roads around track,will be interesting exploration and new course creation I hope.

Aston hasn't gained a Westhill style open config, so there aren't roads to explore around the track. The only new road to drive on is the connecting track section in the screenshots. This is mainly an extensive graphical update with track width and corner tightness adjustments.
Scawen
Developer
The Aston screenshots are now available!
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/92748
Graphics Progress Report: Aston
Scawen
Developer
Hello Racers,

In the August and September progress reports we talked about the new shadows and lighting system and showed pictures of the updates on the Blackwood and Rockingham tracks. All our tracks must be updated to use the new lighting system and some older tracks need more changes to bring them up to date. Aston is one of them and is the subject of this month's report. Eric has made various adjustments to the track and tightened some of the bends while keeping the original flow. We hope you enjoy the pictures!

Aston screenshots: https://www.lfs.net/report-oct2018-as



NOTE: For comparison shots, Aston has been raised by 2 metres so 131072 must be subtracted from the Z coordinate.
Scawen
Developer
Thanks for the information. We have contacted the museum again. This time we got a reply and they are now displaying the logo and text on a banner beside the simulator.
Scawen
Developer
OK, this has been reported as spam and I have to agree so I'll close the thread.
Scawen
Developer
When you visit youtube it will show you things you've recently watched as it thinks you might be interested in them. They make more money (from advertising) when you watch more videos, so they try to show you things that may interest you (so you watch more things). It doesn't matter which site linked you to youtube. If you click a youtube link on LFS forum, you are visiting the real youtube. It's not an 'LFS version' of youtube or something like that. So as usual it will show you videos related to things you've recently watched.
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Scawen
Developer
Quote from mbutcher :@scawen: Might it be worth adding a disclaimer to some of the screenshots (https://lfs.net/screenshots) saying that it's WIP and not actually part of the game yet. It seems some people are getting confused about that point, seeing it as false advertising.

Thanks, done!
Scawen
Developer
Quote from borja_s13 :Just a question @Scawen, will the new light and shadow system help to create a night version? I mean, to add some lights to the cars and play it at night, because now that you guys are updating every shadow, I think that it will work very well.

As three_jump says, this is just a step in the right direction. I don't think there is time to add night version support in the next release because too many complications e.g. headlights. But what I do plan to do for now is share lighting between tracks, so each track doesn't have to just have 3 weather configs, but they can all use any of them.

Quote from Degats :I'm trying to work out whether the shine on the wet grip area is supposed to be water or shiny rubber.
I'm going to regret saying this, because it's another shader rabbit hole to go down (sorry if this delays the release Wink ), but for "overexposed" shine like this, it could probably do with a subtle amount of bloom.

It's just an experimental water shine effect as there are sprinklers there at Rockingham but it isn't currently supported by physics.

I don't expect to add any post-processing effects at this release. I need to finish up on the lighting and shadows so I can get to sort out the tyre physics and get that to a releasable state if at all possible. I can't bear the thought of trying to merge the current changes you see in the development version, into the public version. I want to get past that point where there are two branches and I want LFS back on the right track again.
Scawen
Developer
Quote from theodu69 :My bad, I don't usually check the forums, but thank you for taking the time to respond, the new graphics are amazing Thumbs up

Thanks! I need to remember that every time someone asks the same question, for each of them it was the first time! Big grin

I do know what you mean that although the cars don't look any worse than before, and in fact look better now with the self-shadowing and improved lighting, they can start to stick out when everything around them is up to a more modern standard.

Anyway I am sure that Eric is very keen to update cars when the tracks are done. I believe he could update some of them and we could do another patch some time after the tracks release. It shouldn't be necessary to update all cars at once. Ideally the oldest ones would be done first. But I'm not saying that's what will happen, because it depends what comes up and what seems to be the best thing to do at the time.
Scawen
Developer
I keep getting that question.

It somehow seems a bit of an annoying question, because it is quite obvious that many of the cars need to be updated (have a look at the RB4 for the most extreme example) but we are on the tracks at the moment. There is only one Eric. He does one thing and then another. Not both at the same time. It is obvious that he would not have failed to notice that the cars and drivers could do with an update.

What I do keep saying, every time I get this question, is that the tracks MUST be updated before we can do a release of the new graphical system, because with the new system, the graphics and shadows are broken unless the tracks are updated. So if we released now, you would have a game full of bugs. But the cars are no worse than they were before. Therefore they do not stop us doing a release.

This means, the cars have a lower priority than the tracks. There is no reason to delay the release by several more months in order to update all the cars. It is a separate subject, though it is quite obvious that they need an update.
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Scawen
Developer
I really hope not!
Scawen
Developer
Nice old vs new comparisons Smile
Scawen
Developer
Quote from Aleksandr_124rus :Nice job! This grass.. these plants and earth looks so amazing! But imao now asphalt looks too clean. And for the curb too glare i think, it just how i see.

Hmm, the plants and earth really look amazing in the real photo Smile and the tarmac seems cleaner in the real photo, than in LFS.

Strangely the kerb glare in LFS looks more realistic than the real thing! Face -> palm
Scawen
Developer
I think the sausage kerbs were added after our first visit to Rockingham and the laser scanning.
https://youtu.be/hP9tIAsMBKQ?t=828
Scawen
Developer
Our Rockingham progress report is now available!
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/92628
Graphics Progress Report: Rockingham
Scawen
Developer
Hello Racers,

In the August progress report we talked about the new shadows and lighting system and showed pictures of the updates on the Blackwood track.

This month you can see some screenshots of the Rockingham track, including real vs virtual comparisons, and a few pictures of shadows working with moving objects and the layout editor.

Read the whole report on the Graphics Progress Report: Rockingham page.

- LFS Developers
Scawen
Developer
Thanks for the report of this annoying bug. I have fixed this in my version so it will be fixed in any future update. I don't know when that will be.

Simple reproduce:

- Press T
- Click down arrow to open characters
- Select a different language code page (e.g. Japanese)
- You do not see the Japanese code page
- You see the code page for the last character in your line of text
Scawen
Developer
Obviously I'm not just sitting here waiting for Eric to finish the tracks. I'm working very hard every day on all the things that need to be done, and I believe that once a month I might be able to think of one or two interesting things to say, maybe something I thought of or something I've been working on. Smile

I'm just saying, although each progress report will be mainly some pictures of a track, I should hope to add a few words about something else, occasionally. Smile
Scawen
Developer
Quote from RC-Maus :Does this mean arround x-mas we have the update? Big grin
(new pictures shown allready BL AS AU WE RO)

SO next FE SO and maybe suprice Omg omg omg

No, the existing shots of AS, AU, WE and RO don't count.

This process is going to be a while yet.
Scawen
Developer
For a while, we would like to release a few more pictures each month.

It may be that we show one track in each monthly report.

And sometimes a little more information to go with the pictures.
Scawen
Developer
That is no problem and it is normal that message may come up sometimes.

More info for interest:

Sometimes a guest's ephemeral port for the UDP packets can change.

This port, originally assigned by the operating system, is normally used by LFS as part of the identification of which guest a UDP position packet comes from. But the port is ephemeral and the operating system (or is it the router - not going to think too hard about this) can change it at any time. If it does change, then LFS does a more thorough check to figure out which guest the packet came from and stores the new ephemeral port.
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