A bug which I can't reproduce in 0.7C but at least since 0.7D27:
- in Vehicle Editor, add passengers in one of the default setups
- enable "driver" in bottom right
- change to a different setup without passengers
The passenger models aren't updated in the car until I toggle "driver" off and on again.
- in Vehicle Editor, add passengers in one of the default setups
- enable "driver" in bottom right
- change to a different setup without passengers
The passenger models aren't updated in the car until I toggle "driver" off and on again.
There's not much time left for testing so here are today's editor updates, which I am releasing to get them tested ASAP, although I know there are other things still to do. I hope you will find these updates useful.
Changes in Editor 0.7D54:
Lights tab in Vehicle Editor:
FIX: Subobject lights did not visibly update in editor when adjusted
Modeller:
Merge subobject dialog : use selected layer / keep existing layers
Improved layer selection (tooltips change when CTRL is pressed)
- in orange/yellow mode : CTRL+RMB sets the selected layer
- tri mode : CTRL+LMB - select all triangles in layer
Modeller hotkeys / shortcuts:
Keys to select modes changed to numbers 1 to 8 (without SHIFT)
SHIFT+M / SHIFT+S - show main / show subobs
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106004
Changes in Editor 0.7D54:
Lights tab in Vehicle Editor:
FIX: Subobject lights did not visibly update in editor when adjusted
Modeller:
Merge subobject dialog : use selected layer / keep existing layers
Improved layer selection (tooltips change when CTRL is pressed)
- in orange/yellow mode : CTRL+RMB sets the selected layer
- tri mode : CTRL+LMB - select all triangles in layer
Modeller hotkeys / shortcuts:
Keys to select modes changed to numbers 1 to 8 (without SHIFT)
SHIFT+M / SHIFT+S - show main / show subobs
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106004
I was thinking about two cutouts for one side, not for the whole bus. Let us have 4 different side cutouts:
A - with doors, B - without doors, C - with doors flipped, D - without doors flipped. Then the right side mapping would be defined as cutout A with opposite D and the left side as cutout B with opposite C. Of course, in case that it is an editor bug, this is only a workaround.
Found a bug. The light colour preview isn't getting updated for the newly supported subobjects (atleast my steering wheel subob here.) It works fine ingame, the color is updated ingame, but not in real time in editor for some reason. Here's a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E28GS1U3ps
Editor Test Patch D53:
Lights:
Lights now work on subobjects (e.g. bike handlebars)
New object type "Popup headlight"
- set axis, angle and time of rotation in modeller
- test using slider bar in vehicle editor Lights tab
Modeller:
Option to keep an empty (rotated) subobject after "merge into main"
- and break off main object into rotated subobject works as expected
- for example the following sequence of operations is now possible:
1) rotate a subobject to convenient orientation for modelling
2) merge into main but keep the empty rotated subobject
3) model and map the subobject in that position
4) break off into the rotated empty subobject
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106004
Lights:
Lights now work on subobjects (e.g. bike handlebars)
New object type "Popup headlight"
- set axis, angle and time of rotation in modeller
- test using slider bar in vehicle editor Lights tab
Modeller:
Option to keep an empty (rotated) subobject after "merge into main"
- and break off main object into rotated subobject works as expected
- for example the following sequence of operations is now possible:
1) rotate a subobject to convenient orientation for modelling
2) merge into main but keep the empty rotated subobject
3) model and map the subobject in that position
4) break off into the rotated empty subobject
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106004
Incorrect side mapping orientation when car body is set to swap
On my Karobus 734, I'm trying to support driver side swap. I want to mirror the entire body of the bus, because the doors need to be on the correct side. But when I test it with the right side driving position, the side mapping is incorrect.
Here's my left/right swap mode:
To illustrate this issue better, I've made a simple box car with labelled side mappings. When I select right driver side, the mappings are oriented in such a way that front part of the mapping is actually located at the back of the car.
What I would like to achieve is to have the mappings flipped horizontally when drive side is swapped:
Is there a way to do this in the editor?
Here's my left/right swap mode:
To illustrate this issue better, I've made a simple box car with labelled side mappings. When I select right driver side, the mappings are oriented in such a way that front part of the mapping is actually located at the back of the car.
What I would like to achieve is to have the mappings flipped horizontally when drive side is swapped:
Is there a way to do this in the editor?
After a test drive, these “Clubsport” versions are very pleasant to drive. Just enough power to not fall asleep and force you to reach the limit. It's very stimulating. Too bad the AI is totally insignificant on the track (especially on Rockingham). Perhaps there is something to improve here with the AI setup? The settings offered are indeed very perfectible, especially that of the FZ5. Otherwise (I know this will shock purists...) why not make special versions of cars for AI? (while waiting for the new tires physics and its new AI, of course 
)Regarding gearboxes (I can't be objective here, as I only drive H gearbox
) I think the XRT & RB4 could be with an H gearbox. Apart from comfort, I don't see not really the use of the sequential gearbox with this kind of gear ratio. I would even tend to consider that all these cars would gain in charisma by being in H gearbox (I actually converted them to drive them).The current mod system is essentially (at the moment) a vehicle editor. Real "race" categories are missing to select and sort the mods in order to compose grids. The mod system needs something specifically dedicated to racing. This “Clubsport” category could serve as a model here. Many models already created could complete this category if their specifications were adapted for this.
Don't give up on Günni92. You are on the right path.
Non-boolean light curves
Hi everyone,
My suggestion is to implement on off curves for lights (fade-in, fade-out) (for headlights , instrument cluster lights, etc.) that are adjustable in LFS Editor (because of different bulb technologies used).
I feel like this can really add to the immersion and realism instead of the current boolean texture light on / texture light off feel that is simply dated by modern standards.
I realize that this would currently make little difference in the way the game feels however I think it would be much more noticeable once the full lighting update is released.
Here is an example that I found and liked a few years back (watch the rear brakes at 1:58):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3daK_doWl0g&t=118s
My suggestion is to implement on off curves for lights (fade-in, fade-out) (for headlights , instrument cluster lights, etc.) that are adjustable in LFS Editor (because of different bulb technologies used).
I feel like this can really add to the immersion and realism instead of the current boolean texture light on / texture light off feel that is simply dated by modern standards.
I realize that this would currently make little difference in the way the game feels however I think it would be much more noticeable once the full lighting update is released.
Here is an example that I found and liked a few years back (watch the rear brakes at 1:58):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3daK_doWl0g&t=118s
Don't you think some things need to change?
Hello. This is my newly created account, some of you know me. I have been using LFS for about 20 years. I want to get straight to the point, this post will probably serve only as an ornament. I mistakenly posted this in the "TEST PATCH" section, every human being can make mistakes, but I got an extreme reaction from Scawen, so I deleted it and I keep writing in this section, which is where he said it is. Scawen said he doesn't care about my opinion no matter what the circumstances and he won't read my post. But since my priority is the users, since I've been talking about this with my friends on LFS for the last five years, and since I've spent more than two hours on this post, I'll address the shortcomings that caught my eye and get straight to the point.
First of all, the asphalt on LFS is like slime. I don't know why, apart from that: People can downshift unrealistically without damaging the engine, they can handbrake dozens of times per second on a memorized race track, they can put the car on the racing line, and they can even set world records doing it. But what would happen if they actually did these things? If they kept downshifting the same way, they would probably die before they even got into the corner because they wouldn't do the Heel-And-Toe shifting. Realistic driving techniques should be at the forefront and physics improvements should be made to keep everything as realistic as possible.
For example, brake disks should heat up realistically and the sounds from the brake disks should be audible. Tires should cool down faster, just like in real life, and the drifting technique should be faster in some corners, just like in real life. On a racetrack where the racing line is memorized, you can't set a world record by handbraking hundreds of times a second and then just sitting the car into the corner without any technique. The grip limit is unrealistically high or can be increased by unrealistic actions by drivers. The grip limit definitely needs to be lowered. There are unrealistic responses when adjusting pressure, camber and toe settings in the vehicle settings, for example, toe settings do not have the necessary effect on the tires. When driving at abnormal and unrealistic grip speeds, tire temperatures can be fixed very easily and driving can continue. When high speeds are reached, the car's response is often unchanged and the feeling of high speed is insufficient.
Let me ask you a question, how many people in real life can drive like in LFS without realizing it? To be honest, if you're going to drive realistically in LFS, it's harder to drive at the same speed as people who drive unrealistically than it is to race Senna in real life. I'm a former street racer and an active licensed retro racer and these are the biggest shortcomings I feel.
My requests from the developers are as follows:
1) Lowering the grip limit and improving the response between the asphalt and the tires. Better optimization of the asphalt.
2) Tires to cool down in about the same time as in real life.
3-) Physics improvements that have the same consequences as in real life when not driven with the correct driving technique.
4-) Accurate modeling of the effect of Camber, Toe and Pressure settings on the vehicle in LFS.
5-) Physics improvements that will not allow the clutch limit to be increased by drivers with unrealistic moves.
6-) Between drift and grip, grip is not always faster, drift can be a faster technique in some corners. But this is not the case in lfs. There may be many reasons for this and some of these reasons are related to my requests 1,2 and 5.
7-) Damage to mechanical parts when incorrect driving techniques are applied, as in real life. Mechanical parts should also be damaged during an accident.
8-) To feel the high speed when driving at high speeds and to improve the car's reaction to this high speed.
*9-) Definitely and definitely make a track editor program. Users should be able to model tracks and thus avoid driving on the same tracks all the time.*
*10-) LFS can be open source, so that it can get to the level it has come to in decades in a few weeks. Drivers can agree among themselves to bring the optimization they want. If the original version is left untouched, a program like "Content Manager" can be made, just like in AC.*
There is much more to say. These are not improvements that cannot be made, these improvements can be made and LFS can come to a much better place. I would especially like to draw your attention to my requests number 9 and 10. Please comment below this post, I have no bad intentions but I am not treated well by the developers. These are my demands and requests as an experienced user of LFS. Thank you very much.
First of all, the asphalt on LFS is like slime. I don't know why, apart from that: People can downshift unrealistically without damaging the engine, they can handbrake dozens of times per second on a memorized race track, they can put the car on the racing line, and they can even set world records doing it. But what would happen if they actually did these things? If they kept downshifting the same way, they would probably die before they even got into the corner because they wouldn't do the Heel-And-Toe shifting. Realistic driving techniques should be at the forefront and physics improvements should be made to keep everything as realistic as possible.
For example, brake disks should heat up realistically and the sounds from the brake disks should be audible. Tires should cool down faster, just like in real life, and the drifting technique should be faster in some corners, just like in real life. On a racetrack where the racing line is memorized, you can't set a world record by handbraking hundreds of times a second and then just sitting the car into the corner without any technique. The grip limit is unrealistically high or can be increased by unrealistic actions by drivers. The grip limit definitely needs to be lowered. There are unrealistic responses when adjusting pressure, camber and toe settings in the vehicle settings, for example, toe settings do not have the necessary effect on the tires. When driving at abnormal and unrealistic grip speeds, tire temperatures can be fixed very easily and driving can continue. When high speeds are reached, the car's response is often unchanged and the feeling of high speed is insufficient.
Let me ask you a question, how many people in real life can drive like in LFS without realizing it? To be honest, if you're going to drive realistically in LFS, it's harder to drive at the same speed as people who drive unrealistically than it is to race Senna in real life. I'm a former street racer and an active licensed retro racer and these are the biggest shortcomings I feel.
My requests from the developers are as follows:
1) Lowering the grip limit and improving the response between the asphalt and the tires. Better optimization of the asphalt.
2) Tires to cool down in about the same time as in real life.
3-) Physics improvements that have the same consequences as in real life when not driven with the correct driving technique.
4-) Accurate modeling of the effect of Camber, Toe and Pressure settings on the vehicle in LFS.
5-) Physics improvements that will not allow the clutch limit to be increased by drivers with unrealistic moves.
6-) Between drift and grip, grip is not always faster, drift can be a faster technique in some corners. But this is not the case in lfs. There may be many reasons for this and some of these reasons are related to my requests 1,2 and 5.
7-) Damage to mechanical parts when incorrect driving techniques are applied, as in real life. Mechanical parts should also be damaged during an accident.
8-) To feel the high speed when driving at high speeds and to improve the car's reaction to this high speed.
*9-) Definitely and definitely make a track editor program. Users should be able to model tracks and thus avoid driving on the same tracks all the time.*
*10-) LFS can be open source, so that it can get to the level it has come to in decades in a few weeks. Drivers can agree among themselves to bring the optimization they want. If the original version is left untouched, a program like "Content Manager" can be made, just like in AC.*
There is much more to say. These are not improvements that cannot be made, these improvements can be made and LFS can come to a much better place. I would especially like to draw your attention to my requests number 9 and 10. Please comment below this post, I have no bad intentions but I am not treated well by the developers. These are my demands and requests as an experienced user of LFS. Thank you very much.
Last edited by YukselYilmaz, .
i do have have the latest version on both editor and lfs but does the servers need update too for me to see?
If you used LFS Editor test patch D50 or higher to update the mods, then you must also use LFS D50+ in order to see them.
if you didn't make interior for rhd, could you lock it to lhd at least? that's 1 click in editor
also fix the engine, it says it has to be 6 cylinder in description
also fix the engine, it says it has to be 6 cylinder in description
Will there be language options for the editor ?
Editor Test Patch 0.7D52:
Wheel object visibility:
No change in editor but game now matches the editor
- "inside covered" or "open wheel" only affect logo and lighting
- visibility of brake disc and spoke object is no longer affected
Rim and spoke objects:
Rim now gets material properties from first mapping in spoke object
Spoke object can have more than one texture page, including _ALP
- for example a chrome material can now be added as first mapping
- and in that case the rim would also use that chrome material
- no alpha sorting: transparency should only be used for overlays
Lights:
Multiple mappings per special name e.g. more than one l_head
- a second word is allowed e.g. 'l_head front' / 'l_head top'
- the second word is only to make it clearer for the mod creator
- extra names such as l_sbrk and l_tbrk are no longer needed
- reduced number of special light mapping names from 18 to 12
- mesh configurations are now fully supported by the lights
- e.g. separate mappings like 'l_head stock' and 'l_head sport'
- NOTE: maximum of 4 mappings per special name in a configuration
- NOTE: all mappings in use in a group must share a single texture
Dashboard:
Option: Show low and high beam icons simultaneously
- (shows icons for lights less than the current light switch)
Option: Show dim icons when not illuminated [default yes]
- (allows you to disable the faint image of icons that are off)
Option: Show dim segments of digital displays [default yes]
- (disable the faint non-illuminated segments of gear / speed)
Editor options: Dash lights off/on / Expand dash texture display
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106004
Wheel object visibility:
No change in editor but game now matches the editor
- "inside covered" or "open wheel" only affect logo and lighting
- visibility of brake disc and spoke object is no longer affected
Rim and spoke objects:
Rim now gets material properties from first mapping in spoke object
Spoke object can have more than one texture page, including _ALP
- for example a chrome material can now be added as first mapping
- and in that case the rim would also use that chrome material
- no alpha sorting: transparency should only be used for overlays
Lights:
Multiple mappings per special name e.g. more than one l_head
- a second word is allowed e.g. 'l_head front' / 'l_head top'
- the second word is only to make it clearer for the mod creator
- extra names such as l_sbrk and l_tbrk are no longer needed
- reduced number of special light mapping names from 18 to 12
- mesh configurations are now fully supported by the lights
- e.g. separate mappings like 'l_head stock' and 'l_head sport'
- NOTE: maximum of 4 mappings per special name in a configuration
- NOTE: all mappings in use in a group must share a single texture
Dashboard:
Option: Show low and high beam icons simultaneously
- (shows icons for lights less than the current light switch)
Option: Show dim icons when not illuminated [default yes]
- (allows you to disable the faint image of icons that are off)
Option: Show dim segments of digital displays [default yes]
- (disable the faint non-illuminated segments of gear / speed)
Editor options: Dash lights off/on / Expand dash texture display
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106004
Test Patch D52:
Lights:
Support for multiple light mappings (enabled in LFS editor D52)
Virtual gauges now show sidelights / low beam / high beam symbol
Dashboards:
Support for new options (minor updates) now available in editor
Interface:
Multiplayer N-list +/- buttons now refer to size of buttons
Wheels:
Support for new rim material settings (enabled in LFS editor D52)
Wheels set to "inside covered" now match the editor
- "inside covered" or "open wheel" only affect logo and lighting
- visibility of brake disc and spoke object is no longer affected
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106005
Lights:
Support for multiple light mappings (enabled in LFS editor D52)
Virtual gauges now show sidelights / low beam / high beam symbol
Dashboards:
Support for new options (minor updates) now available in editor
Interface:
Multiplayer N-list +/- buttons now refer to size of buttons
Wheels:
Support for new rim material settings (enabled in LFS editor D52)
Wheels set to "inside covered" now match the editor
- "inside covered" or "open wheel" only affect logo and lighting
- visibility of brake disc and spoke object is no longer affected
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106005
Yes, thank you.
There are so many possibilities, I can't think of a simple way to support them all.
The different ways that dashboard lights work, or the interactions between sidelights, daytime running lights, low and high beams.
Also, features such as daytime running lights becoming indicators. Some American cars flashing the red tail lights instead of dedicated indicator lights.
Daytime running lights that are always on when the engine is running, but dimmed or off when other lights come on. DRL may or may not have an equivalent on the rear.
Some things I don't even know yet, like if a car has daytime running lights, does that mean it doesn't have a "sidelights" option on the headlights switch (traditionally have three settings: off, sidelights, headlights) is their headlights simply off / on / auto?
Oh yes automatic headlights, yet another thing.
Clearly, this stuff is not going to be covered before the release in under two weeks. I wonder if some kind of more fully flexible system will need to be created in the future, but anyway I don't have time to think about it now. All I'm doing at this point is some fixes for important issues and a few things that are simple to update. Also have been discussing things on an Editor suggestion thread.
I still haven't been able to adjust the skin mapping, for some reason the LFS mapping is different from the LFS Editor, but as soon as I managed to fix it I will update once again.
I'm not good with the editor, That's the main problem, I'll try to fix the setup
Im still bad at editor, but i will try that tomorow
Optional update for LFS_restart.exe
Hello Racers.
The latest (Test Patch D51) versions of LFS and LFS Editor have new icons kindly provided by Flame CZE.
These icons look better and contain a larger icon image that works well with modern versions of Windows.
If you don't use the test patch, you will get the new icons when you update to the official version (soon to be released).
But there is one file that can't be updated when you are getting an update from the auto update system, and that is the small program file LFS_restart.exe which normally sits in your LFS folder, waiting to be used when you get an update for a new version.
So if you would like LFS_restart.exe to have a nicer looking icon, click this link to download a zip file containing LFS_restart.exe which you should save into your LFS folder, overwriting the existing file.
Download: https://www.lfs.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_restart_2023.zip (85 KB)
The latest (Test Patch D51) versions of LFS and LFS Editor have new icons kindly provided by Flame CZE.
These icons look better and contain a larger icon image that works well with modern versions of Windows.
If you don't use the test patch, you will get the new icons when you update to the official version (soon to be released).
But there is one file that can't be updated when you are getting an update from the auto update system, and that is the small program file LFS_restart.exe which normally sits in your LFS folder, waiting to be used when you get an update for a new version.
So if you would like LFS_restart.exe to have a nicer looking icon, click this link to download a zip file containing LFS_restart.exe which you should save into your LFS folder, overwriting the existing file.
Download: https://www.lfs.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_restart_2023.zip (85 KB)
Last edited by Scawen, .
I think LFS could create an official app like LFS editor but only with that function.
For any race, whether on a circuit or an open circuit, it would be important to have something that helps and even more so when we have official mod support, this would help a lot to improve the car and its performance 😁
For any race, whether on a circuit or an open circuit, it would be important to have something that helps and even more so when we have official mod support, this would help a lot to improve the car and its performance 😁
When all possible lights are enabled in dashboard editor, the list gets too long so the sliders for "neutral" are hidden.
Editor D51 is now available
Dashboard:
Support for new dashboard lights / symbols: sidelights and neutral
Rim editor:
Mouse wheel can be used to zoom in and out quickly
Dashboard:
Support for new dashboard lights / symbols: sidelights and neutral
Rim editor:
Mouse wheel can be used to zoom in and out quickly
If I set rear wheel style to "different" the grid for the rear rim editor is still 10mm and not 1mm (front = OK)
Interior is mostly finished, just need to add tris for stitching and interior lighting, maybe a few tweaks here and there
New seats are also modeled and fully finished in editor
Both seats and stitching are made separately colorable
*Again, looks weird in blender, for some reason some individual vertacies randomly flip and that causes this weird lighting
New seats are also modeled and fully finished in editor
Both seats and stitching are made separately colorable
*Again, looks weird in blender, for some reason some individual vertacies randomly flip and that causes this weird lighting
FGED GREDG RDFGDR GSFDG