Editor D59

Vehicle editor:

Selected suspension point can (again) be adjusted in SHIFT+L view
Subobject indicators left / right now relative to whole vehicle
FIX: Passengers were not updated when selecting a different setup

Modeller:

New flood select function to select all triangles by point sharing
- different from CTRL+SHIFT+LMB (select related triangles by edge)
- ALT+RMB selects all connected triangles regardless of properties
- triangles are considered connected if they share a single point
FIX: Keep merged subobject feature was controlled by wrong option

https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106004

Can the spinning subobject be modified to when the user stops the function, the spinning continues to the original place. Or maybe an editor option (continue spinning to origin yes or no)

Now that we can test the car lights live in the editor, could the dashboard be in sync with those switches just like light mappings? Right now all dashboard lights are on by default.

Editor 0.7D58:


thank you for this nice update hope you can sleep now haha

Moving subobjects controlled by boolean switches is now available in Editor and LFS 0.7D58.

LFS: https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106005
Editor: https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106004

Editor 0.7D58:

Moving subobjects:

Popup headlight system generalised for moving objects with switches
Subobjects can rotate a set angle, slide or spin at a given speed
This can be connected to switched lights / ignition / horn / siren
New test system in vehicle editor "Class / Inputs" tab (top left)

Download: https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106004

For now they are purely graphical, but it does seem to suggest interesting possibilities for the future.

I'll be a few more hours, the changes are merged into the public version and it's fairly well tested, but I need to update the test facility in the vehicle editor or it will be too frustrating to use.

Let's make that this afternoon. I still need to:

- make spinners carry on and stop in the default position
- update vehicle editor to allow testing by switches
- merge code into old LFS
- more testing

Today I have coded part of the more flexible moving objects system.

You can select object type:
"Rotator : rotates on a specified axis",
"Slider : slides along a specified axis",
"Spinner : spins on a specified axis",

And connect to:
"Lights : low or high beam",
"Ignition : ignition switch",
"Rear fog : rear fog light",
"Front fog : front fog light",
"Left ind : left indicator",
"Right ind : right indicator",
"Extra : extra light",
"Horn : horn button",
"Siren : activate with siren",

I think that's as far as I can go, there isn't time this week to code other options such as connecting with other rotating parts or controller axes. For 0.7E it will only be these these boolean switches, sort of like the headlight, but now you can connect to these 9 things and these 3 different motion types.

I hoped to release it this evening but it's taken so long, and I still have to merge all the changes from the development version into the public version. That might only take a couple of hours but I'll have to do it in the morning. This evening I still have to finish the editor side of it.

I really liked the ability to move nodes in editor when I had the suspension tab (Shift + L) open, it was a lot easier to dial in the caster and inclination quickly.

Also I am finding that for some specific offroad vehicles I want to be able to set the spring rate lower than the game allows, is it possible to change the lower limit for that?

Quote from OpenClutch :

I think I found a bug between the editor and game version, when using a skin to paint on the hvac on my mod, I have it set for full flip, so the texture should not flip when going between driving sides.

In the editor, it seems to transition sides correctly, in the game the texture flips.

Gold handle is game (incorrect) red handle is editor (correct)

OK, as Flame says, there was a change.

I have two questions, please let me know the answers.

1) Are you sure it's different between game and editor, if you use the latest game and editor? This was changed yesterday, and should be consistent (even if "wrong") if you use editor and game D56 or later.

2) Assuming that you install the editor and game D56 or later, and find they are consistent but wrong, can you try renaming your mapping starting "U_" e.g. "U_name". This special prefix should avoid the flip, the only problem is you can't have it as a user custom colour in that case (as they start M1_ and C1_ etc. Is that a problem in your case?

I think I found a bug between the editor and game version, when using a skin to paint on the hvac on my mod, I have it set for full flip, so the texture should not flip when going between driving sides.

In the editor, it seems to transition sides correctly, in the game the texture flips.

Gold handle is game (incorrect) red handle is editor (correct)

Man, I was browsing the mod list and I seen a 1020hp electric vehicle, and I was like "how can I do this? I'm still limited to 671hp." Is there an editor update I'm missing or something? Let me know!

Quote from Slashpca :

I wasn't sure where to post this, but maybe it could be a fix for both pop ups and rotating objs? I have layered alpha glass pop ups on my EMPERORS SUNRISE mod that seem to work fine, but I created a swing out windscreen for my FLATTY MODEL 8, and it works as intended besides this strange bug with the windscreen alpha. Same alpha I had before I broke it off as a pop up light subob.

I reported it in the Editor test patch thread and Scawen is aware of it: https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/2068959#post2068959

I wasn't sure where to post this, but maybe it could be a fix for both pop ups and rotating objs? I have layered alpha glass pop ups on my EMPERORS SUNRISE mod that seem to work fine, but I created a swing out windscreen for my FLATTY MODEL 8, and it works as intended besides this strange bug with the windscreen alpha. Same alpha I had before I broke it off as a pop up light subob.

I've seen this bug before, like for instance the alpha glass on my pending mod HYPERION, in the pits and in vehicle editor you get this same effect on the mirror turn signals. But they seem to be corrected once you spawn on track, this windscreen is not fixing itself.

I've tried, flipping tris, single and double sided, moving the page with S_glass_alp up and down the list to change it's order in the Textures tab in the editor. Nothing works so far.

Please see the attached photo.

Quote from Rubbel_31 :

Can you fix the Alpha problem? The glass is visible but the back side is invisible

Here's Scawen's post in the Editor test patch thread:

Quote from Scawen :

I will look to see if I can draw the alpha parts of subobjects just before the alpha of the main object, instead of immediately after each subobject as they have been done until now, which was fine for glass on steering wheels.

Sent a car from editor, but still this message appears. D54 editor version. Uploaded straight after. and file uploaded is a 7z so nothing edited there

Quote from YukselYilmaz :

*10-) LFS can be open source, so that it can get to the level it has come to in decades in a few weeks. Drivers can agree among themselves to bring the optimization they want.

Open source is does not magically compact a decade of work into a few weeks.
Usually in OS contributors work only on the project in their free time. Rarely does that mean a more than a few hours per week.
People tend to be unreliable, they take long random breaks or quit without notice.
Money is a necessary evil that allows developers to concentrate on LFS instead of working 12 hours per day in a steel mill or coding 850MB sized printer drivers or whatever.

It is also interesting to look at other open source racing games, for example Speed Dreams:
http://www.speed-dreams.org/
It is based on TORCS and if you see that as its starting point then it has been in development longer than LFS.
Speed Dreams is a great project and it even has some features LFS does not have. For example weather or track editor. If I recall, mentioning it due to recent interest: it even has live delta timing!
But in my opinion LFS is overall more advanced and polished.

Regarding bugs and abuse of certain flaws, those do exist in every game.
iRacing has maybe the biggest budget of all racing games and even there players continue to find new exploits like "brake dragging" or "driving on grass."

Quote from CRAAACH :

The fact that he won't care bout this post doesn't means he disregards all the ideas this post tries to sell

The problem was simply that this was originally posted in a Test Patch thread. There is a sticky "Rules" thread and important messages are repeated with big colored letters in first post of current thread. It is nothing to take personal, it has always been that off topic routinely gets removed there.

A bug which I can't reproduce in 0.7C but at least since 0.7D27:

- in Vehicle Editor, add passengers in one of the default setups
- enable "driver" in bottom right
- change to a different setup without passengers

The passenger models aren't updated in the car until I toggle "driver" off and on again.

There's not much time left for testing so here are today's editor updates, which I am releasing to get them tested ASAP, although I know there are other things still to do. I hope you will find these updates useful.

Changes in Editor 0.7D54:

Lights tab in Vehicle Editor:

FIX: Subobject lights did not visibly update in editor when adjusted

Modeller:

Merge subobject dialog : use selected layer / keep existing layers
Improved layer selection (tooltips change when CTRL is pressed)
- in orange/yellow mode : CTRL+RMB sets the selected layer
- tri mode : CTRL+LMB - select all triangles in layer

Modeller hotkeys / shortcuts:

Keys to select modes changed to numbers 1 to 8 (without SHIFT)
SHIFT+M / SHIFT+S - show main / show subobs

https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106004

Quote from Flame CZE :

I don't think "opposite" will work for this case. I don't have mirrored triangles on the opposite side - the sides have different triangles.

I was thinking about two cutouts for one side, not for the whole bus. Let us have 4 different side cutouts:
A - with doors, B - without doors, C - with doors flipped, D - without doors flipped. Then the right side mapping would be defined as cutout A with opposite D and the left side as cutout B with opposite C. Of course, in case that it is an editor bug, this is only a workaround.

Found a bug. The light colour preview isn't getting updated for the newly supported subobjects (atleast my steering wheel subob here.) It works fine ingame, the color is updated ingame, but not in real time in editor for some reason. Here's a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E28GS1U3ps

Editor Test Patch D53:

Lights:

Lights now work on subobjects (e.g. bike handlebars)
New object type "Popup headlight"
- set axis, angle and time of rotation in modeller
- test using slider bar in vehicle editor Lights tab

Modeller:

Option to keep an empty (rotated) subobject after "merge into main"
- and break off main object into rotated subobject works as expected
- for example the following sequence of operations is now possible:
1) rotate a subobject to convenient orientation for modelling
2) merge into main but keep the empty rotated subobject
3) model and map the subobject in that position
4) break off into the rotated empty subobject

https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106004

On my Karobus 734, I'm trying to support driver side swap. I want to mirror the entire body of the bus, because the doors need to be on the correct side. But when I test it with the right side driving position, the side mapping is incorrect.




Here's my left/right swap mode:



To illustrate this issue better, I've made a simple box car with labelled side mappings. When I select right driver side, the mappings are oriented in such a way that front part of the mapping is actually located at the back of the car.




What I would like to achieve is to have the mappings flipped horizontally when drive side is swapped:



Is there a way to do this in the editor?

Quote from Günni92 :

Regarding the sequential gearboxes:

I see that they are not as popular as I expected them to be . I am open for discussion about changing one or more cars over to H pattern.
We could look at all cars in the "class" (Supertourer and Clubsport 300) and define, which change on the Clubsport cars would provide the most variety (e.g. we don't need multiple RB4 with sequential). I will put that on my todo-list and am open for your ideas.

After a test drive, these “Clubsport” versions are very pleasant to drive. Just enough power to not fall asleep and force you to reach the limit. It's very stimulating. Too bad the AI is totally insignificant on the track (especially on Rockingham). Perhaps there is something to improve here with the AI setup? The settings offered are indeed very perfectible, especially that of the FZ5. Otherwise (I know this will shock purists...) why not make special versions of cars for AI? (while waiting for the new tires physics and its new AI, of course )

Regarding gearboxes (I can't be objective here, as I only drive H gearbox ) I think the XRT & RB4 could be with an H gearbox. Apart from comfort, I don't see not really the use of the sequential gearbox with this kind of gear ratio. I would even tend to consider that all these cars would gain in charisma by being in H gearbox (I actually converted them to drive them).

The current mod system is essentially (at the moment) a vehicle editor. Real "race" categories are missing to select and sort the mods in order to compose grids. The mod system needs something specifically dedicated to racing. This “Clubsport” category could serve as a model here. Many models already created could complete this category if their specifications were adapted for this.

Don't give up on Günni92. You are on the right path.