With the latest X-5s, off-road ability is no longer THAT terrible of an issue (improved 4WD and TC systems). The real limits to the X-5s off-road performance are lack of clearance, tavel, low range and most crucially, unsuitable tires.

X-5 sized all-terrain tires are available these days thanks to cooper tires (for most OEM sizes last time I checked), which has done a good job of minimizing the tire issue. However, clearance and suspension travel issues remain. And those plastic bits sticking off the bumpers of the 4.8i model don't help either.

But seriously, it's still better than a CR-V and RAV4 since it has enough torque to not get bogged in sticky mud even with no low range. It's full time AWD is still much superior to the reactive systems of the current soft-roaders. As long as you remember to swap to all-terrain tires, you shouldn't have too many problems with gravel, sand and some mud.

Oh, here's one A/T tire for the X5 from general tire:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/ ... ng=WR&speed_rating=YR

Anyway, its still no Land Rover, Landcruiser or Pajero.

I want a XF V8 SWAP! descrption: 7800cc V8 SHOVED into the xfgti engine bay RWd FAT REAR TIRES 6SPD 590 HP AT 5600rpm 789TQ At 3400-6888rpm 0-60 in 4.6 secodns 0-100 in 7.8 sec 2790LBS Ultimate XF

GTR VERSION :smaller 5.0 v8 1200hp 1001TQ 0-60 2.5sec DOWNFORCE
Competiter to FZ84R

wtfillepall
go and play some with ur LFSTweak than u'll be satisfied and owyeah buy S2 will ya

Get the RA, give it an integrated roof, ground effect, a rear wing, 315/30/18 rear tires, 235/40/18 fronts and give it a twin parrallel turbo 3.8L V6 that makes 550hp. Weight is 1050kg empty, 40/60 F/R mass distribution.

It'll fill the gapping hole that's in the current lineup of LFS cars: The mid-engined rear drive supercar (e.g. Ferrari Enzo, McLaren F1, etc).

Whilst I don't like your suggestion much (the RA is the RA and doesn't need to be altered) I baulk mostly at the silly tyres (talk about overtyred), silly wheel sizes (18" is too much for ANY road car), the rear wing (for nancy boys), the turbo (also for nancy boys), the weight (no sportscar should EVER weight more than a tonne fully laden).

The rest, what is left of it, is okay, but as you stated it it's just another girls car like the Enzo, and would be no fun in a sim or real life. Yes, that's right, I just said an Enzo wouldn't be fun, and it's true

If we want supercars in LFS it needs to be something like this.

1) Front-mid engined (Like the Lister Storm) RWD one with an NA V12
2) MR, NA V12. (Like the McLaren F1)
3) Mid engine, 4 wheel driver, smaller but forced induction engine (Like the Bugatti EB110)

K-Roadster

duke the bugatti has an 8 litre W16 engine. Talk about smaller displacment illepall

And i didn't know the lister is FR. It is?

Quote from duke_toaster :

3) Mid engine, 4 wheel driver, smaller but forced induction engine (Like the Bugatti EB110)

This option actually offers us the most interesting choice. If we get a mid-engined 600hp 3.0L V6 parallel twin turbo car with 4WD, we could end up using the same chassis for both rallying and on-road supercar applications. The rally version would be LFS's equivalent of group B car whereas the road car would be the supercar. Both will fill 2 gaping holes in LFS's current car lineup.

In essence, we get 2 cars with 1 basic chassis.

Just thinking about other cars there.

I'd really like to see a car similar to the 1932 Ford Coupe in there. The natural one would be a competitor to the UF1 and there could be a supercharged GTR version as well. Very high centre of gravity would make cornering interesting too

Not only that, but skinning a proper old school hot rod would be great

Mmmmm, sweet...

i'd like to see some more "exotics" such as a lambo or a ferarri type car, or a prodrive or.... well just about any car like that

Quote from SuperMassive :

i'd like to see some more "exotics" such as a lambo or a ferarri type car, or a prodrive or.... well just about any car like that

Yes, the gaping hole aka MR supercar.

I would like 2 see more 70's car, mk1 and mk2 escorts, Holden Gemini's, Opel Kadett C's, Lotus Cortina's etc

Quote from Primoz :

duke the bugatti has an 8 litre W16 engine. Talk about smaller displacment illepall

And i didn't know the lister is FR. It is?

The Bugatti Veyron's got the massive W16 engine, but the EB110 has a 3.5 quad-turbo V12.

Quote from KillerMonkey :

The Bugatti Veyron's got the massive W16 engine, but the EB110 has a 3.5 quad-turbo V12.

Both of them are quad turboed.

Zonda FTW >>

Quote from neilmichaelcasey :

Zonda FTW >>

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/Furball_UK/zonda1.jpg

That's the kind of car LFS lacks and needs. If you drive the RA/FZ0 after a stint in that car, you'll say something along the lines of:

"My, this bloody thing doesn't even move!"

Considering lots of people can't (or won't) even drive the FZ50 I don't know how it is that we need a Zonda. People have enough trouble keeping an MRT pointing the right way at SO Classic sometimes

However, I sure wouldn't complain about a Zonda in LFS (regardless of how unlikely it is). The old netKar namie has one and it's awesome to drive, so I've had practice. It's perfect for Monza, but damn - you gotta be careful with it around Lime Rock

and what do you think about an old muscle car like camaro, charger or mustang in s3?
it would be fun to drive!

So if we are talking about supercars, whic to have in LFS?

Koenigsegg CCX
Pagani Zonda F
Maserati MC12
Ferrari F60 Enzo
Ariel Atom
Porsche Carerra GT
Ascari KZ1
Mercedes McLaren SLR
Ford GT
Ferrari 360 CS
Porsche GT3 RS
Corvette Z06
Noble M15
Lamborghini Murcielago
Zonda
Koenigsegg
Prodrive P2
TVR Sagaris
TVR Tuscan 1.24.8
Noble
Chevrolet Corvette
Porsche 911 GT3
Marcos TSO GT2
Dodge Viper SRT-10
Panoz Esperante GT
Audi R9
Ferrari Testarossa
Ferrari F50
Lamborghini Diablo
Lamborghini Countach
Mosler MT900
Italdesign Scighera

OR über supercars:
Porsche Dauer 962 LeMans 1994
Koenig C62 1991
Leblanc Caroline
Lotec Sirius (1,334 bhp @ 6,300 rpm )
Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR
Nissan R390 GT1
Orca SC7
Schuppan 962CR
Ultima GTR
Vision K2


Supercars differ from normal sportscar in one major thing. The 1st priority is always power, anything else coming secondary. With normal sportscars you can have quite pleasent ride, sufficent power and good handling. But a normal sportscar won't scare you to death when you press the loud pedal little too deep

So which three would you choose?

As for which supercar from hyperactive's list I would choose:

1. Lamborghini Murcielago
2. Ferrari F50
3. Maserati MC12
4. Ferrari 360 CS
5. Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR

and some of my own:
6. McLaren F1 GTR Longtail
7. Jaguar XJ220 (the original design aka V12 4WD monster, not the diappointing production model)
8. Saleen S7 twin turbo
9. Ford GT90 (the 720hp 5 speed prototype that looks like NASA's work)
10. Ferrari 430

Quote from rabidmaddog :

Ever since 1985 I've wanted a white Testarossa...
I know some of you know what I'm talking about

Miami Vice

hehe and i always wanted a black firebird and a leather jacket when i was a kid.Thanks there's a car looks like it in lfs...well,little bit.

Quote from Hyperactive :

So if we are talking about supercars, whic to have in LFS?

Koenigsegg CCX
Pagani Zonda F
Maserati MC12
Ferrari F60 Enzo
Ariel Atom
Porsche Carerra GT
Ascari KZ1
Mercedes McLaren SLR
Ford GT
Ferrari 360 CS
Porsche GT3 RS
Corvette Z06
Noble M15
Lamborghini Murcielago
Zonda
Koenigsegg
Prodrive P2
TVR Sagaris
TVR Tuscan 1.24.8
Noble
Chevrolet Corvette
Porsche 911 GT3
Marcos TSO GT2
Dodge Viper SRT-10
Panoz Esperante GT
Audi R9
Ferrari Testarossa
Ferrari F50
Lamborghini Diablo
Lamborghini Countach
Mosler MT900
Italdesign Scighera

OR über supercars:
Porsche Dauer 962 LeMans 1994
Koenig C62 1991
Leblanc Caroline
Lotec Sirius (1,334 bhp @ 6,300 rpm )
Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR
Nissan R390 GT1
Orca SC7
Schuppan 962CR
Ultima GTR
Vision K2


Supercars differ from normal sportscar in one major thing. The 1st priority is always power, anything else coming secondary. With normal sportscars you can have quite pleasent ride, sufficent power and good handling. But a normal sportscar won't scare you to death when you press the loud pedal little too deep

So which three would you choose?

+1 for Dauer 962 and Koenig c62
I think that a group c car (not road gr.c like this ones) would be a very interesting add on, expecially in WE... less in FE club...

The Ascari needs to be the A10
And upgraded to the GT3.