I've had feedbacks from people who tried the shifter - that it feels quite plastic like and flimsy, same goes to the pedals which doesn't seem to benefit from an upgrade of materials from what they have always used on the DFP/MOMO.

Actually maybe a Flex kit seems to be a better idea at such price if you already have a decent wheel.

A Frex kit needs a DFP, which I don't have. SO it's a toss up between getting a DFP or waiting for this. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Damn, I was afraid that the shifter will be a plastic toy. I so hope they will make it more solid by the time the wheel hits mass production. Of course I'll still be buying it tho, the pedals CAN'T be worse than what DFP pedals are.

Quote from Matrixi :

Damn, I was afraid that the shifter will be a plastic toy. I so hope they will make it more solid by the time the wheel hits mass production. Of course I'll still be buying it tho, the pedals CAN'T be worse than what DFP pedals are.

but not better,same pots they are using.

The pots aren't the problem, its that in the DFP/momo they're not secured enough.

I hope the pedals/shifter have a solid feeling..but tbh mostly I hope they get the wheel perfect, given the choice I will be buying just the wheel anyway, already have Actlabs shifter/pedals The wheel looks very nice..shiny..

Pots are the same as Rev B by the looks, but the construction does appear to be better. The pots are not directly attached to the pedal shaft as per DFP/momo (see pic) so strain is taken off the pots, removing any lateral movement (which caused those infamous problems).

Also, the pedal travel finishes at a point where steel meets steel, so under / over calibration should be all but gone.

This is only info I've read from various forums btw, I have no first hand personal knowledge of the unit.

Quote from Gabkicks :

yeah i'm deffinatly buying it i cant wait for it to come out. i own 2 dfps

care to share?

The problem I see with having gears like that in the pedals is they introduce a lot of play into the pedals. The original Act-Labs 2-pedal set used gears with similarly coarse teeth and it was pretty awful. The only way to get around it is to use finer teeth.

Thing is if they tighten up the mesh they'll feel like they're binding, so realistically why are they using gears in the pedals? Those teeth look like module 1 pitch, so there will be quite a bit of play in them.

The Pedals use gears to increase the rotation angle of the potentiometers which provides a larger output range for greater accuracy. These gears are spring loaded which eliminates all backlash and with "steel to steel" stops calibration is very consistent. The potentiometers are not the same as DFP due to the much higher rotation angle provided by the gears. The operation is very smooth and rigid due to all steel construction and steel shoulder bolt mounted pedal arms riding on precision bushings. The springs have higher rates than DFP or MOMO Racing providing better feedback to the user while further adding to the smoothness during operation.

Thanks for the info there mcman. The pedals are least of my concern tho, I hope Logitech will also put lots of efforth in the shifter, as they have done with the wheel and the pedals. There is yet no shifters in the sim-market that provide realistic (in the limits of cost) feeling and short throws between gears.

Perhaps Logitech could make a really hardcore (well made & expensive) shifter that could be bought as kind of an upgrade for the G25..

Or they could do the sensible thing and get it right 1st time for a change?

mcman, thanks for the insight. Don't like the sound of bushing though, hopefully they will be a standard enough size to fit some bearings in there.

Quote from Vendetta :

whoa, i knew logitech was coming out with a new wheel, but i didnt know it came with a 6 speed shifter! looks pretty nice, but my dfp is fine

Been looking for a wheel with one of them for ages!!! I love it!

Quote from Rtsbasic :

Or they could do the sensible thing and get it right 1st time for a change?

I honestly doubt that a great wheel + great pedals + great shifter could be fit in to 300usd/euro package. With a hardcore shifter I mean making it feel just like the real thing. Except the stick shaking because of engine movement of course, that would be helluva cool tho.

Quote from Matrixi :

I honestly doubt that a great wheel + great pedals + great shifter could be fit in to 300usd/euro package. With a hardcore shifter I mean making it feel just like the real thing. Except the stick shaking because of engine movement of course, that would be helluva cool tho.

Easy enough to create that though. 1nsane has wheel shake when you idle, and if you rev in neutral it gets worse depending on RPM (it also does it as you drive, but gets a tad over zelous at times), to create the engine shake (I hope LFS gets that some day). All they'd have to do is put motors in the shifter and hook it upto force feedback (not powerful motors that it damages it, or knocks you out of gear all the time, just enough for realism), that makes it vibrate

Quote from mcman :

The Pedals use gears to increase the rotation angle of the potentiometers which provides a larger output range for greater accuracy.

To be honest, I don't think the gearing increases the range of the pots in this instance. My brother's BRD Pro pedals usea gearing, but the difference in size of the cogs increases the pots range. On the G25 pedals, the two cog gears appear to be the same size / turning radius which, if true, means turning range of the pot will be no greater unfortunately.

As it is though, the current DFP pots seem to have a decent resolution even with their reduced range, so as long as they match those they should be okay. The gearing mechanasim appears to be there to solve calibration / stability / accuracy problems.

I'd get this, I just HATE my momo.
*grumbles* damn center issue, damn force feedback to stop me from hitting the lock *grumbles*.

Quote from dontsimon :

To be honest, I don't think the gearing increases the range of the pots in this instance. My brother's BRD Pro pedals usea gearing, but the difference in size of the cogs increases the pots range. On the G25 pedals, the two cog gears appear to be the same size / turning radius which, if true, means turning range of the pot will be no greater unfortunately.

As it is though, the current DFP pots seem to have a decent resolution even with their reduced range, so as long as they match those they should be okay. The gearing mechanasim appears to be there to solve calibration / stability / accuracy problems.

The ratio on these pedals is 1:2.75 increasing the pedal range from 20 degrees to a potentiometer range of 55 degrees. DFP/MOMO Force is 1:1.

That's good news then

Do you have access to a set already? Where do you get your info?

any news on this??

http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ ... p;s=electronics&img=1

new pics.

more: http://www.diediedie.com/g25 (partly same pics)

yeah i saw those pics a few days ago. its so painful to look at that wheel because i want it so badly... those teasing bastards:weeping:

I saw this yesterday and I looks damn sexy. I worked out that it doesn't cost that much; about 160 GBP.

Just wondering, how is the 6 shifter going to work with LFS? as that only has controls for Change UP and Change down?

lot of people will want to drop lots of gears in one go, after spins, or aggressive down-changing etc...

there are options for that in LFS... change shifter type from sequential to "shifter"

a new menu appears