1. Physics
2. LX4
3. LX6
4. I'm too cheap to pay much for games
5. Dust off your wheel and play anytime.

Finally got an explanation! Thank you bbman!

Because it's a zombie.

Could someone give me a good explanation what is a "grip driver" and what is this "grip racing" that he does?

Sorry for late response but had some other things to do besides typing on a forum.

Quote from pärtan :

You removed the beginning of the sentence. He opened with

Didn't alter the meaning of the sentence. So what's your point?
My point was that cruisers were given open configs. This is what cruisers are saying when actually open configs were ment for creating alternate track configurations for racing. Cruisers now want more. More roads opened and the next step of wanting is present in the OP. Motorways and rural areas around SO. So cruisers will always want more and more. And the content that cruisers want is not directly linked to what LFS is. LFS is and will always be an "Online racing simulator". Not a cruising simulator. Not a driving simulator.

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That doesn't fit anything of what he wrote.

No but it fits into what you and other cruisers are saying about how easy making open worlds is. A flat tarmac wasteland is easy, yes. A realistic open world is extremely hard to do. Just check what has been done so far in the whole gaming industry.

@UM21
What ever is possible in LFS will have no effect in the people who do illegal street races.

I don't know which topic you read but I read this one:

Quote from GROOV3ST3R :

add some more space and a motorway around the city, going to some more rural areas with open-rally cross tracks, even if they were just a mash-up of existing RallyX courses

To me that looks like a bit more than just a few barriers opened on SO. Not so easy to do.

The only problem in your example is that LFS is hardly the only racing game around with goodish physics and possibility for open configs. LFS just happens to be the most inexpensive option. Besides it's much easier to go on particular games forum and bash the developers if they are real persons instead of a big corporation.

I don't believe big open world areas are that easy. There are a multitude of games that have proven this. Unless of course you want the world to be just a flat piece of tarmac. I for one don't want anything like that. Besides I don't believe it would be that nice to drive there with the current LFS physics. It would feel like all the roads were just paved with new tarmac. LFS just lacks the bumpiness needed for country roads.

Besides have you ever thought about what it would be to drive around a road network that had a 1000 miles of road and only 32 cars? Or what ever the limit is nowadays. Even with 50 cars it would be one car every 20 miles. Ooh the excitement would kill me.

I think he is saying that cruising in a racing game and whining about more cruising content is like using an implement for something it's not ment to be used and complaining that it didn't work.
A better comparison might be going to a petshop and buying a cage for hamsters and then complaining about how it should have a perch for your parrot.

Quote from Bose321 :

So if a racer is drifting, he's a drifter. When he then wants to race, he can't race anymore.

Happened to me.

Why, in the name of everything that is holy and everything that isn`t, would you go on a drift server to hotlap? I thought drifters were weird but you beat them by a huge margin.

Quote from Blade3562 :

The skills required for a night drive is much more than any track will ever require as there are more factors, and the roads aren't designed for it

The only skill your "night drives" need is idiotism. I hope you kill yourself before you kill someone else with your "100mph-night-drive-racing" on public roads.

Once I tried how fast my dads Nissan Micra could go. If I recall correctly the speedometer ended at 160kph (100mph for you who can't do math) and I buried the needle. The calibration was probably off a bit but quite close to your 100mph. It was night time and i knew the road didn't have any intersections and it took no skill except flooring the throttle and occasionally turning the wheel a bit. Doing this was exceptionally stupid, I know.
Only real racing I've done has been in go-karts. Getting them around a track required much more skill. And I wasn't doing anything close to 100mph.

Some more ZZZ for you Daniel. You need your beauty sleep.

Quote from Mustangman759 :

Does it really matter? Let everyone play their own game.

I agree!

Who don't you cruisers let us play our own racing game without you always whining for content specific for cruising.

So it's function over form for you.

You must really like all the modern cars that look exactly the same because all of them have been designed in a wind tunnel.

Well what ever.

You like to hang you arse out sometimes. Good for you. I must admit it's fun, sometimes. You can use more entry speed if you drift into a corner. If the guy following isn't that good it'll throw off his braking and he'll go wide. Done that a few times. But it's murder on the tyres if you are in a longer race. So basically it's not very functional.

Why do you hate that?

Do you hate racing cars with added aerodynamical devices? There is a huge rear wing on the FIA GT1 BMW Z4 that is not there on the original car. WTCC and BTCC have FWD cars with rear wings. Do you hate those cars?

I think the car in question looks stupid. But I don't hate it.

Quote from FlyingBus :

I don't want to spread any hate.

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what i hate on a car

Yeah, right.

Ryosuke detuned his FC because he was racing against a lower power lighter car on a tight downhill cource.

We don`t have anything like that in LFS.

I would very much like a track with more elevation changes in LFS. I would have nothing against a track that would go up and down a mountain. Only problem I see is that it should be a very big map and made very well.

Quote from affl1cted :

Go out for a clubman track day, you'll see people doing the exact same as we do on cruise servers, just relax, and enjoy ourselves, not too competitively, and as fast as we feel like going.

Either you have never been on a LFS cruising server or you have never attended a track day.

On a track day there is only one configuration of the track used and you have to drive around in one direction.

On a cruise server all track configurations are open and you can drive any of them. And you can drive in any direction.

How can you possibly argue that these are the same thing?

By your definition I'm a cruiser when I go to cargame.nl servers to have some fun. I drive around at my own pace. I pass some people some people pass me. I just generally relax and have a good time.

I can partly see where you are coming with this. In my opinion the cargame.nl servers, with CTRA and STCC before them, are more track day servers than race servers. People drive around in different cars and have a good time. Sometimes there's a bit of rivalry and you have a bit of a race. The main reason I don't consider cargame to be a racing server is it's similarity to cruise servers. Both make you work to get a car. Whether it's money or points that dictate what car you can have is arbitrary. You need to be driving on the server a lot to get what you want.

Racing is when all participants are using the same car or the same class of car. Multiclass racing is an exception. Though it's mostly just multiple races run at the same time on the same track.

Back in when ever, I was watching an animated series about cars and street racing called Initial D. I wanted to try my hand at a racing sim with realistic physics and if possible some kind of damage model. I wanted a game where the demo didn't have time constraints and one that wasn't too expensive. So I googled and found LFS. If I recall it was something like a week later that I bought a wheel. Some months after that I bought S2.

Was very actively driving on the STCC servers and later on the CTRA servers. After they went belly up I've been playing on and off.

The thing that irritates me in LFS is the fact that if you take a long brake you have to learn how to drive all over again. If you want to be really fast you have to drive most days. Once or twice a week and you'll keep some of the skill. But if you don't play for a month you'll have to start all over again. At least that's what happens to me.

Or they really don't like drifting and want an excuse to stop doing it.

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Give me a reason to put intake restriction on a race car. It only makes it slower, right? Or how about adding passengers. Tell me how that helps a race car going faster.

Finally! Took your bloody time to come up with a reason. Why didn't you start with this?
The intake restriction is used to bring parity into a class of cars. Or make a whole new class. I personally am not very thrilled about the whole thing but it is necessary to be able to race with not just single car fields. It's used in real life too. Adjustable tyres could be made to do the same. Assigning different cars within a class with different size wheels and tyres isn't something done in real life. You already have two choises of tyres for most of the road cars. How many servers or leagues race with road normal tyres on cars that can use road supers?

Ballast definitely doesn't make a car go faster. Funny how you didn't spot that one. Maybe because success ballast is used in many forms of racing in real life?

I can't think of any reason why LFS has those passengers. Although I have to admit I've never laughed so hard while playing LFS when I put full intake restriction added all the ballast and put all passengers in the UF1. Really ridiculous drive around Blackwood.

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I was thinking more of a way to do it without memory hacking the game.

Whether it's done with a mod or is coded in the game the end result is the same.
I definitely want slicks on the TBO and LRF cars. They are so much fun with slicks. At the other end an FXR with offroad tyres is much closer to a real rallycross car than any of the road cars in LFS.

When changing LFS You have to take into account the multiplayer aspect. LFS has always aimed towards easy pickup racing. You just join a server download a few skins and race. If there would be servers with different tyre setting you would have to have a setup for all different tyre sizes along with all the different tracks. The LFS setup filing system isn't up to scratch to handle such multitude of setups.

Quote from cheteron :

I have suggestion add in game full customization car and some other functions. What i mean?
- Add setting for change width wheel base, width every wheel, radius front and back wheels, thickness tyres

What for? If you could change the size and it would affect handling everybody would just use the best combination.

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- add function in boxes for side forces tests, not only jump button
- add function for calculation test transmision and engine acceleration with different settings
- delete rev limiter
- add blown engine

All good in my opinion except you should add blown engine before removing rev limiter. You can use the VHPA for your transmission adjusting needs. I've used it in the past. Not resently so am not sure if it still works on new windowses (what the hell is the plural of windows?)

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- make AI can drifting and more fast dragging
- create discipline Drift
- add for AI human factor (on some moments AI is very fast, but in other very slow without tricks)

This is a Online Racing Simulator. No need for fancy AI. The AI can drift. Just give them a ridiculously tail happy set.

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- add camera side tilt with more angle and smooth bias

I'm going to assume you mean pan. Like turning your head to look left or right? You can already turn your head 90 degrees in LFS. How much more do you need? Turn on smooth head turning. It's in the menu somewhere. Don't have the energy to reboot my comp just to find it.

Quote from pärtan :

Adjustable rim and tyre dimensions (within a certain extent) is something I'd like to see. Maybe a server option that can allow/disallow it. A server option that would allow players to put slicks or semi slicks on any car would be nice along with that.

Tyre dimensions see above or the other thread.
You can put slicks on any car with the slickmod. You can even race online if you have a mod server.

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Adjustable wheelbase (spacers) have been in the game before from what I understand, but it was taken out. I'd like to see that make it back though.

Actually it was the track width that could be adjusted not the wheelbase. It was removed because everyone was using the max setting so there was no point in the adjustment. Exactly what would happen if the tyres were adjustable. Can you give me any reason to put skinnier tyres on a race car?

Quote from xtraction :

Yes, you are talking some sense. Seriously though, near enough every time you have made a post, it is consistently insulting the guy, cant you just at least make one insult and not carry on?

Ok. Fair enough. I've just been nice to a drifter in another thread. Friends?

If it was a vote ban it's usually only 24 hours.
If an admin banned you it can be as much as 999 days.

Quote from GROOV3ST3R :

I despise those those god awful round objects with a passion.

I don't hate them. I just have never seen the point. They look awful and worsen the performance of the car.
Same thing applies to "customizing" the wheels in LFS. What would be the point? Maybe I'm just so bad a driver but I don't notice what kind of wheels are on the car that I'm trying to pass. Besides isn't there an addon that allows you to change the look of the wheels?
Now if the different wheels affected the cars performance. Then I wouldn't have much against it. The down side would be that everybody would just select the best performing wheel tyre combination and everybody would have the same wheel. Just as it is now. Why go through all the trouble to end up just where you started?

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But you're not somehow better than me for choosing to drive round in circles very fast.

Not better, just smarter. I bought a racing game for racing. I've also bought a cops&robbers game for playing cops and robbers. You can also cruise around in it. Granted the physics are crap but it is enough for driving around. It is entertaining in it's own right. They are not the same game though and neither should they be. The Need For Speed games have cruising and I believe in some of them you can customize your car with bodykits and different wheels. Cruising around doesn't need very good physics because you are never on the edge. If you want to drive on the edge why not just race?

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If nobody has any valuable feedback on this suggestion, you might as well not bother posting anymore. Well you can but I won't bother responding if you keep that attitude.

This is a public forum. If you do not want to read opinions that don't match yours then you shouldn't come here.

Quote from xtraction :

Dude, all of your posts have been pointless insults hoping to get a reaction from the guy, just leave the topic because your really making a bad reputation for yourself.

So is this whole thread. Started just after someone else has gotten two perfectly helpful and friendly replies to a question about drifting. There never was any hate in that thread. The only real hate is in the mind of the OP. That's all.

If I get a reputation for speaking the truth even if it's painful, so be it.

Besides if you would use the forum search you would find countless similar threads where a sole drifter comes crying about how everybody hates him. All those threads have a few things in common. One person whines. Several other people tell him he is wrong. OP still whines. Some other dim drifters come and join the whining. Several racers and drifters, who have been around a little longer, tell the OP to get on with drifting if he likes and not care what other people think. Still whining from the new drifters. Persons who have been around for longer get fed up. Insults fly. Thread gets closed.

No. Drifting isn't a sensitive topic. It is emotionally challenged drifters who are sensitive. Just like you. Just because you occasionally throw your arse around and somebody didn't like it you come here crying how everyone hates you.

I don't really care what it is but I want a small RWD GTR to race with the UFR and XFR. Or maybe two.