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Graphics Progress Report: Rockingham
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Quote from borja_s13 :Just a question @Scawen, will the new light and shadow system help to create a night version? I mean, to add some lights to the cars and play it at night, because now that you guys are updating every shadow, I think that it will work very well.

As three_jump says, this is just a step in the right direction. I don't think there is time to add night version support in the next release because too many complications e.g. headlights. But what I do plan to do for now is share lighting between tracks, so each track doesn't have to just have 3 weather configs, but they can all use any of them.

Quote from Degats :I'm trying to work out whether the shine on the wet grip area is supposed to be water or shiny rubber.
I'm going to regret saying this, because it's another shader rabbit hole to go down (sorry if this delays the release Wink ), but for "overexposed" shine like this, it could probably do with a subtle amount of bloom.

It's just an experimental water shine effect as there are sprinklers there at Rockingham but it isn't currently supported by physics.

I don't expect to add any post-processing effects at this release. I need to finish up on the lighting and shadows so I can get to sort out the tyre physics and get that to a releasable state if at all possible. I can't bear the thought of trying to merge the current changes you see in the development version, into the public version. I want to get past that point where there are two branches and I want LFS back on the right track again.
Quote from Scawen :But what I do plan to do for now is share lighting between tracks, so each track doesn't have to just have 3 weather configs, but they can all use any of them.

Awesome.
Quote from Degats :Comparisons of the latest screenshots:
I'm going to regret saying this, because it's another shader rabbit hole to go down (sorry if this delays the release Wink ), but for "overexposed" shine like this, it could probably do with a subtle amount of bloom.

It's more looks like a lack of dynamic range in reflection.
@Scawen, Does your new render supports HDR? Because in scenarios like this, 8-bit environment textures cant handle bright reflections on low reflective smooth surface
goood job.
@scawen: Might it be worth adding a disclaimer to some of the screenshots (https://lfs.net/screenshots) saying that it's WIP and not actually part of the game yet. It seems some people are getting confused about that point, seeing it as false advertising.
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Those monthly reports are exactly what community needed. Speaking for myself, now I see how far is the progress and I see it's way further than i thought. Keep it going! Thumbs up
Quote from mbutcher :@scawen: Might it be worth adding a disclaimer to some of the screenshots (https://lfs.net/screenshots) saying that it's WIP and not actually part of the game yet. It seems some people are getting confused about that point, seeing it as false advertising.

Thanks, done!
There are screenshots of the Sirocco in the "Screenshots from the currently available version" part too though, it can be misleading too I guess. Shrug
The LFS model of Rockingham is something quite historic now, as it seems the circuit is to be sold and demolished.

Great that we have this high-quality replica to live on.
What about shadow multiply?
Look at bottom of the car.
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Quote from Degats :Comparisons of the latest screenshots:


I think I got the weather right on all of them...


I'm trying to work out whether the shine on the wet grip area is supposed to be water or shiny rubber.
I'm going to regret saying this, because it's another shader rabbit hole to go down (sorry if this delays the release Wink ), but for "overexposed" shine like this, it could probably do with a subtle amount of bloom.

After reading your post I must say that I now realized that the new graphics have a pinky tone. Especially in old/new comparison it is visible:



For my personal opinion, I like the new highlights in LFS a lot, they contain visual information. Tendency is too use highlights stronger as they appear in reality - that`s fine for me - its the same Hollywood movies look like.


But this pinky colorization should be removed.



Currents LFS textures are also cool, they have high res textures and desaturated colors, for exmpl. Rockingham - I would prefer the same in the new highlights model. Degats has noted that very good.


My personal taste would be this - and I just desaturated the colors - hope you see the big difference:
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Quote from Big Daddy :After reading your post I must say that I now realized that the new graphics have a pinky tone. Especially in old/new comparison it is visible:

But this pinky colorization should be removed.

Somehow I'm pretty sure that's just due to the sun angle.
Quote from Big Daddy :After reading your post I must say that I now realized that the new graphics have a pinky tone. Especially in old/new comparison it is visible:
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My personal taste would be this - and I just desaturated the colors - hope you see the big difference:


I'd rather play with LFS' current/new color palette than playing Schindler's List.

I don't see any pinkish colouring in the new screenshots. It's quite saturated, but I don't see any hue on the picture.
Quote from Whiskey :I'd rather play with LFS' current/new color palette than playing Schindler's List.

Pretty well summed up. Big grin
Quote from Big Daddy :My personal taste would be this - and I just desaturated the colors - hope you see the big difference

That looks closer to converted-to-monochrome than desaturated-a-little. I'm not convinced of the case for any desaturation, tbh, but that's way too much for me.

How're the colour settings on your monitor looking? Wink
Quote from Racon :That looks closer to converted-to-monochrome than desaturated-a-little. I'm not convinced of the case for any desaturation, tbh, but that's way too much for me.

How're the colour settings on your monitor looking? Wink

I must say that I was a little bit lazy, I wanted to just desaturize the grass.
If its still not good than I must be wrong (altough grass is more desaturated so the effect is visible.

So here a new try:
The red of the car is still the same.





(Monitor should be okay Smile.)



If you compare current LFS with new LFS graphics, you clearly see the asphalt has a neutral grey - which is personally for me more attractive:

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Quote from Whiskey :I'd rather play with LFS' current/new color palette than playing Schindler's List.

LMAO

Quote from Big Daddy :
So here a new try:
The red of the car is still the same.

#3 also my favorite. I like really much the colors of current LFS. Those colors make me feel happy always. Unlike the colors in Assetto Corsa, they always give a bit dark and creepy feeling - me not like.
Looking great, pleased to see progress still being made on a game that I spent many hours on! Going to have to dust of the wheel and fire it up for a blast.
Congratulations Scawen for the great work organized by you
As a player and passionate about LiveForSpeed until I have to thank for it, I am quite happy to see that LiveForSpeed is renewed this way.
Quote from Big Daddy :I must say that I was a little bit lazy, I wanted to just desaturize the grass.

The trouble is that it's all linked. The grass in your #3 looks good to me for a cloudy day, for example, but it's a little off in a scene with such strong sunlight on the wheel and a blue sky, IMHO.
Hhmm living discussion about color of grass! true iracing competition going to take place in few months

lets rave Na-na
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Graphics Progress Report: Rockingham
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