1.tracker - can't deny that.
2.admins saying multiple things- yea, they were there just to help.
2. not enough admins - my fault, I thank 08 for doing the proper thing.
3. sc spamming, insim kept crashing and we typed it, when ray typed sc it was to get the admin attention , if we call a caution it will be CAUTION FLAG and spammed.
4. insim crash, the insim on 500server is not correctly working I will submit another support ticket
I think instead of blaming the admins we all need to understand the situation. Tracker wasn't up, this needs to be planned way in advance before confirms are open to be honest but that's just the tip of the iceberg. It isn't fair for Matt to attempt to run the whole league by himself, it just doesn't work that way, so instead of shooting him down why not offer a little bit of help, pull together as a community and actually enjoy racing?
Secondly, admins are admins, and Ray, when you are driving please be quiet. I was really disappointed when you started saying there was a SC out when there was no need for one, as I obeyed the rules and lost a lot of time for no reason. But I guess you were just trying to help out I guess. SpdoRacing, I know that you felt you were fighting for position but when the admins are telling you to move you might as well move rather than fight for position and end up with all this grief afterwards.
I really enjoy the concept of the league ( although I still feel XRR's are overpowered compared ) and therefore I will set the ball rolling and offer help to the cause of the league. Matt, add me on skype and I will see where I can help out and ask around the guys to help also as we have a wealth of running league 'knowledge' ( Pierre running LFSES with Miro, Arco being a professional SC, Miro being a NDR admin for a while, Miro and other members in the team helping with the NWL concept ).
Thanks for the great racing and congrats to the top 3.
Well James the problem is that admin should aware of the situation. I can understand CoRe thinking we were one lap down, but I'm sorry but admin have to clear the situation. I was LFSES main admin. We had some tracker issues sometimes but we were noting every DC (lap and where) to avoid that kind of situation. I can understand that it is hard for Matt to run it alone but I'm sorry this not an open door to do bad admin decision. Spdo was fighting for the win, and it was't difficult for someone not racing on lap 28 to see that as I have rejoined few second after my disconnection.
That admin failure costs us points that can be very important at the end of the season as this is pretty close in standings. We were sure to be on the lead lap that's why we were fighting.
@Kristi : I'm not home so I can't join irc atm but I think I understand what's going on.
I see ppl fighthing with their nails and teeths, to climb up in the final results. And also I see the circle spinning, teams that blamed this league before, after they're obligated by the admins, they start to love it. I'm still watching and wondering, till where you will go
Spdo is being so smart at the moment. Shouldn't there be any penalty for having 2 cars on the track at the same time? In that case I think you guys should lay bit down...
by vipex123 : you get the point
Me and the admins do not get on, but instead of just flaming why not advise so this won't happen again? I like the league concept as I have said and I want to improve it. By flaming him what do you want? Do you want change or for the series to close? I really don't understand the motive here.
Okay Morgan I was aware that you were "chief" hehe but Pierre helped out, I'm purely making a case that some people could help out. Maybe not from a single team ( I think this would be best ) so we can avoid any suggestions of corruption of results.
I'm absolutely mind****ed after reading every post. I'm usually not around these days to help out at admin-ing, so the advice I gave to matt was to seek for an experienced admin's help...DeadWolfBones and dekojester are easily the best admins around who could lend the RR team a hand and give them some advice on some things, at least (those are the guys I know from the top of my head).
If you really want to help admin-ing, driving the SC/RC and checking the rulebook for protests and other cases, you know you still have this thread to check out...post an application and say the dates that you're available to appear and help out!
With that said, I thought J@tko and Reno would be on the administration team today...wonder where they went
Wasn't pointed lfses because you did ^^ was just an example I'm not flaming admin, just saying that admin should be awared of what's going on. They have made an error that can have costed us position. Now it is over, we finished 4th and we deal with it. We are just pointed it out in order it not happen again.
I have never flamed Matt or LLM, and I have always try to make some usefull suggestion in order to improve this league. It has happened and it is now done and over, just try it not to happen again. (tracker would have helped)
Yeah I can say I couldn't ever have believed that 03 was on the same lap with us, I suggest DNF for all timed out cars in next races if there won't be a tracker. Today I thought 03 was being lapped and in a "safe lead" I didn't want to risk and try to overtake him even thought I was much faster than he was with his new tires.
Otherwise it was a very nice race but Toni didn't leave much work for me My stint was mostly careful driving because I thought we were in a safe lead
If i may.. sort of conversation where admins worn blue flagged cars to move during the race should be avoided. It was an endu race with lots of discos, not short race where you can see in black and white who is lap down and who is not. That should be left for protests after race if anyone felt damaged.
This way it felt like i was asked to give up positions and also like you gave encouragement to drivers behind to dive me, push me off the track etc. Not cool.
Unofficial, and unfortunately I think it counted some drivers inlaps, ill rerun the databases.
***SOME RESULTS ARE INCORRECT***
+1's are to counteract an error in the tracking to the #07 . 09 and 43. It appears to be correct now, for those cars we will check the following cars later.
funny how at that exact time code #20 only used 10% brake until he hit the #35 at a large difference of speed, at that point he jolted the brakes up to 100%. In general I think car 20 had an off day, spinning quite often and i think 4 times during safety car. It might just be best to put it on a shelf and move onto next race
It's funny how you inaccurately point something irrelevant to what I said. Even though that braking was insufficient, it wasn't a steady 10% till the bump, while the speed difference increased rapidly due to sudden heavy braking of the front cars.
I guess it's in your rulebook, having spins that don't cause any damage or cost any time to others, results in insta-kick.
well... of course all this is gone to the shelf now. I just wanted to point out that kick isn't a result of unsportsmanlike behavior or disobedience.