Sutil not a winning driver.

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And the engines better have some rev, if its all turbo power then it isn't really F1.

don't forget some of the best years of F1 were in the turbo era

Quote from tinvek :

don't forget some of the best years of F1 were in the turbo era

Was that because of the engine?

Quote from tinvek :

don't forget some of the best years of F1 were in the turbo era

Yes but if you noticed they still reved quite high.

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Was that because of the engine?

pretty much, good drivers and shit regs would of spoilt the show.

The turbo era was so great because those cars have insane amount of power but no enough grip. The current cars have too much grip for the amount of power they have. I am not blaming the engineers for doing such a great job. But I am just suggesting less grip would make the racing better.

cars in 99 had less grip, both mechanically and aerodynamically, and it was boring as well.

lower grip doesn't always mean more mistakes and more challenging driving....it could just make things slow and numb, it has a lot to do with how grip is found, when outstanding commitment and skill allows the real talented drivers to find grip when others can't, it makes great racing, for example when it rains.

The turbo era was exciting when only a few of the drivers were fully prepared and sufficiently talented, it was when someone can banzai a lap on qualifiers and lap 2 second faster than anyone else on the grid, simply because none of the other drivers feel comfortable going flatout in places where it could potentially kill them. Nowadays everyone is pushing the limit at get go, raw bravado isn't as much as separating factor anymore, and things get progressive.

Things should be change to make teams and drivers operate more under a constraint - more away from a perfect ideal racing scenario. Like tracks where tire temperture and wear is critical always produce interesting results.

Quote from JJ72 :

cars in 99 had less grip, both mechanically and aerodynamically, and it was boring as well.

lower grip doesn't always mean more mistakes and more challenging driving....it could just make things slow and numb, it has a lot to do with how grip is found, when outstanding commitment and skill allows the real talented drivers to find grip when others can't, it makes great racing, for example when it rains.

The turbo era was exciting when only a few of the drivers were fully prepared and sufficiently talented, it was when someone can banzai a lap on qualifiers and lap 2 second faster than anyone else on the grid, simply because none of the other drivers feel comfortable going flatout in places where it could potentially kill them. Nowadays everyone is pushing the limit at get go, raw bravado isn't as much as separating factor anymore, and things get progressive.

Things should be change to make teams and drivers operate more under a constraint - more away from a perfect ideal racing scenario. Like tracks where tire temperture and wear is critical always produce interesting results.

99 had too much field gap, where in the Turbo era there was soo many retirements and unrealiability, that it kept the championship quite interesting.

http://www.planetf1.com/editor ... stery-of-Gridgate-Deepens

This better not be true, otherwise f**k you Ferrari.

GridGate?

illepall

Quote from NSX_FReeDoM :

http://www.planetf1.com/editor ... stery-of-Gridgate-Deepens

This better not be true, otherwise f**k you Ferrari.

This better not be true, otherwise.....there is pretty much nothing I can do.

I don't see that article being anything more than headline/paranoia hunting.

The article has some strong arguments of course, but wouldn't have it been simpler to just let Massa on track and call Alonso to pit in case of rain? Then they could have argued they thought that staying on track on slicks waiting for the rain to stop was the best strategy - which eventually was anyway.

Also, the penalty would have come after a few laps only, which reduces the point of that "strategy" since the rain was imminent. And even if the rain didn't come, Alonso probably would have had time to get behind Massa before the stewards gave the penalty.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/201 ... o-lap-of-koreas-f1-track/

Edit:

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/gp2 ... rsal-tyre-for-f1-and-gp2/

Quote from Gerdoner :

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/gp2 ... rsal-tyre-for-f1-and-gp2/

Hope they do. Would make a lot of financial sense.

And now the FIA goes 1984

Quote from http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86472 :

The FIA has suggested that Formula 1 drivers who commit road traffic offences could lose their superlicences as a punishment for their conduct. The proposal was put forward at today's World Motor Sport Council meeting.
"The FIA, both in its motor sport and mobility roles, has a strong interest in promoting road safety," said a statement from the governing body. "Competitors at FIA events must act as ambassadors for the sport, be aware their conduct on the road must be exemplary and respect road safety rules.
"A proposal to amend the international sporting code will be submitted to the FIA General Assembly to clarify that any holder of an International Super Licence must also be in possession of a current road driving licence.
"Additionally, the Code will be amended to clarify that if an International Super Licence holder is involved in a serious road traffic offence recognised by a national police authority, the FIA, depending on the severity of the case, may issue a warning or refer the matter to the International Disciplinary Tribunal, which may temporarily or indefinitely withdraw the competitor's International Super Licence."
The issue of racing drivers' conduct in road cars hit the headlines earlier this year when Lewis Hamilton was stopped by Australian traffic police who objected to his driving as he left the Albert Park circuit. He was later fined by a Melbourne court.

Now if that extended to the FIA, I could see a few FIA guys losing their licenses

So the FIA want control of drivers lives outside racing?

Next thing you know they'll be putting spies in pubs

IMO what a driver does off the track is their business

No new team for 2011.

A real slap to the candicates who may have started work already.

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But as Formula One is a trademark / a business, People in charge are keen to keep a professional image. They don't want a reputation of under-age, over-payed play boys in their image. So I can understand them wanting to be harder on the drivers. It is after all their job. And If a doctor or a policeman can be suspended or expelled from their profession for doing stupid things in their private life - then why shouldn't drivers be punished for doing something like burnouts which are after all related to their Job.

Sounds very righteous in theory, however it is also completely missing the point of the business - danger, heroism, fun and pride.

The sport is not watched by bankers and accountants, it is watched by common people with a passion in racing.......and common people are interested in racers with characters, not faceless names.

so again, businessman running the "show" completely missing the point of racing just to please a few banker and insurance sponsors.

I'd rather F1 drivers were the bunch of playboys they really are than PR robots.

Ferrari have got off scott free according to Darren Heath's Twitter

Quote from Intrepid :

Ferrari have got off scott free according to Darren Heath's Twitter

Yep. Legard and Crofty have confirmed. (Tiwtter)

Team orders rule to be discussed further.

Dont know what to really think of it... IMO the best thing to do, would of been to just give the win to Massa, and remove the rule.

Wow. Shock Horror!

Quote from JPeace :

But as Formula One is a trademark / a business, People in charge are keen to keep a professional image. They don't want a reputation of under-age, over-payed play boys in their image. So I can understand them wanting to be harder on the drivers. It is after all their job. And If a doctor or a policeman can be suspended or expelled from their profession for doing stupid things in their private life - then why shouldn't drivers be punished for doing something like burnouts which are after all related to their Job.

That never did F1 any harm in the 70s/80s, did it?

Would you as an F1 driver be happy if (for instance) you went to your parents birthday, then got caught speeding and sent to the FIA, where they take your race license away? I wouldn't, and IMO the FIA can back off, the drivers aren't faceless drones (not now at any rate, but they are going that way)
And, you say things have to be sacrificed.

Let's see. Lewis (as an example) has a girlfriend, has his family at the track