Quote from DevilDare :

I believe someone owes me money

Anyways, I said he will crash, I was right

However, on the first day Kimi looked like he is enjoying the rally very much. I wouldnt be surprised if he left F1 after 09 and move on to WRC

And he is also very good. Except that he does have too many accidents, but he was one of the fastest drivers in his class.

Also: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/ ... r-raikkonen-wrc-test.html

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Wilson added that McLaren star Hamilton and BMW Sauber driver Robert Kubica of Poland could well find themselves competing in the WRC in future - and may even prefer it to F1.

Now that would be fun and different.
Hamilton and Kubica storming through the forests

Edit - Just finished watching todays WRC.... Kimi at its best:

"Yeah it was good fun....... went little wide and rolled it, no one got hurt, so it doesnt matter...... *laughs*"

Gotta love him

Malcolm Wilson doesn't know shit

Quote from Lotesdelere :

You obviously haven't even watched at the videos.

The first 'incident' is at Adelaide 1994. At the time I thought he was only a mad dog.

Second one is at Jerez 1997. There are two videos about this one because of different angles of camera and also because this is the exact day when I was convinced that even though he's surely a great driver he's also a complete as***le. In the second video you can see how much hate there is on Herr Arschloch's face when he's waiting on the side of the track.

Third 'incident' is at Melbourne 2005.

Fourth one is showing a small 'best of' Herr Arschloch (years of online gaming have taught me some usefull German words) deliberately pushing other drivers off track then he's trying to give an explanation and to defend himself. At least I gave him that.

Fifth one is the famous Monaco 2006 'incident'. It was so obvious that he did that on purpose that he got a penalty for that and started at the back of the grid IIRC.

Well, he was pretty much punished for all of these things, he was taken out or penalized. In all his years of driving, he wasn't the fairest person of the field, but if this is all you can think off.. He might have not been so bad at all. For example Coulthard has done a lot of stupid actions aswell. Every driver has. I admit, maybe he was a dick. But he won those championships not by cheating but by driving..

Quote from Darkone55 :

Well, he was pretty much punished for all of these things, he was taken out or penalized. In all his years of driving, he wasn't the fairest person of the field, but if this is all you can think off.. He might have not been so bad at all. For example Coulthard has done a lot of stupid actions aswell. Every driver has. I admit, maybe he was a dick. But he won those championships not by cheating but by driving..

He won 94 by cheating.... 94 he WASN'T punished. You're just a Schumacher fanboi he crashed his car (by making a mistake) he knew his car was damaged, so he purposefully wrecked Hill, it doesn't take an idiot to see this, you would be whining like hell if a guy like this did this in a league race in the final race of the season and there was 1 point separating him and ANY other driver, regardless if you were the 2nd place man in the league or not, you would still kick up a fuss about it, and i garentee there would be a penalty if this happened in a league.

Tsk, take it easy man. No, I'm not a Schumacher fanboy.

But to get the facts straight: when I look at the video, Schumacher ends up in the tyres and Hill can continue?

Quote from Darkone55 :

But to get the facts straight: when I look at the video, Schumacher ends up in the tyres and Hill can continue?

No.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Australian_Grand_Prix:

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Hill attempted to continue the race and pitted immediately, but retired from the race with unrepairable damage to the car's front left suspension wishbone. As neither driver scored, Schumacher took the title.

There are two things that actually don't need any discussing, IMO.

1. Schumacher was one of the best F1 drivers ever
2. Schumacher was one of the most unfair/unsportsmanlike F1 drivers ever

Very well.

Still, 6 fair championships, not bad!

He's got like a logical-ilogical brain, when he knows his chances are gone he just goes crazy and does something really eratically odd. Quali in Monaco was a good example, as was the 94 title showdown.

No, his brain is quite logical.

Racing accident imo, Hill could of still slowed down but he didn;t he choose to attack the position and go on the inside in which he hit shumacher and destryed hes car and shumachers as well.

What Senna did to prost in 1990 though was a clearly unfair, purposly hitting prost in japan and ending hes hope fo the title, he even later admitted to doing it on purpose.

Fact is all the good drivers in F1 where dirty drivers.

Quote from Mustafur :

Racing accident imo, Hill could of still slowed down but he didn;t he choose to attack the position and go on the inside in which he hit shumacher and destryed hes car and shumachers as well.

What Senna did to prost in 1990 though was a clearly unfair, purposly hitting prost in japan and ending hes hope fo the title, he even later admitted to doing it on purpose.

Fact is all the good drivers in F1 where dirty drivers.

HOW THE **** WAS THAT A RACING INCIDENT, SCHUMACHER CRASHED THE CORNER BEFORE AND WRECKED HIM COS HE KNEW HIS RACE WAS OVER. HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE that!?

And for the record, I think no better of Senna either.

Also don't forget Prost took Senna out at Suzuka 1989 to win the championship.

Quote from BlueFlame :

HOW THE **** WAS THAT A RACING INCIDENT, SCHUMACHER CRASHED THE CORNER BEFORE AND WRECKED HIM COS HE KNEW HIS RACE WAS OVER. HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE that!?

And for the record, I think no better of Senna either.

He was behind him, thus he had no overlap so really he shoud of slowed down.

Quote from Mustafur :

He was behind him, thus he had no overlap so really he shoud of slowed down.

So why did the best driver ever #1 make a mistake to damage his car, and #2, know hill was on the inside and still turn in?

i disagree with prost taking out senna in 89, i think senna did a stupidly desperate move.

Quote from BlueFlame :

So why did the best driver ever #1 make a mistake to damage his car, and #2, know hill was on the inside and still turn in?

1. even the best crash 2. no overlap he was intitled to take the corner.

if they penilized him it would contridict 1989 Suzuka with Senna and Prost.

Quote from Mustafur :

i disagree with prost taking out senna in 89, i think senna did a stupidly desperate move.

Have you seen the onboard from Prost's car? Given his turn in point it was clear he had no intention of making the corner, only of colliding with Senna. Prost on the left, Senna on the right. Prost wasn't penalised for this (he won the championship) but Schumacher was disqualified from the 1997 championship for doing the same thing to Villeneuve.

looking at that picutre ill give it 50/50 it would be much easier if i saw a full prost onboard of the incident to get a perfect example, from other angles it looks as if prost just took the normal racing line into the corner.

plus looking at the guys email address you can see whos side the person who made the picture is on.

Quote from Mustafur :

looking at that picutre ill give it 50/50 it would be much easier if i saw a full prost onboard of the incident to get a perfect example, from other angles it looks as if prost just took the normal racing line into the corner.

plus looking at the guys email address you can see whos side the person who made the picture is on.

Look at the overhead shot in this video (approx 5:45).

Looking at the overhead view it looks as if prost purposely went on the inside too early to block senna who of which had no where to go, im going to say this is a 60/40 percentage of fault with Prost on 60.

i must admitt you got the perfect video there.

So we have learned Senna, Prost and Shumacher are all dirty drivers yet are argubly the best 3 drivers in F1 history.

Quote from Mustafur :

So we have learned Senna, Prost and Shumacher are all dirty drivers yet are argubly the best 3 of drivers in F1 history.

Corrected.

Quote from Mustafur :

So we have learned Senna, Prost and Shumacher are all dirty drivers yet are argubly the best 3 drivers in F1 history.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Corrected.

He said "arguably the best 3". That means they are possibly the best 3 but it's open to debate. Your "correction" means they're possibly in the best 3? Is that what you really mean or do you not understand certain intricacies of the English language?

Quote from Mustafur :

Fact is all the good drivers in F1 where dirty drivers.

Could you show me some videos that show dirty driving from Häkkinen?