I would rather give my $19 x 36 months to the Devs and LFS. Only the insane would offer to spend that much on a "game/sim".

OK - but its real cars and real tracks. Ill stick with GTL till LFS moves up a gear.

I am running an XFX GTX8800

I get Frame rates of 200 plus, no jaggies, no blurries, no tears, or blockyness on a matrox triple head with the following nhancer set up.....

I turn off the experimental setting and run every thing full in LFS.

If you can find the very first version of Analyze for speed - the track map of blackwood used - did have official names on it for Blackwood - corners, straights the works.

Its the only one that I know of where officicial names were used - But I dont know whether that was done by the Dev team or the person that created AFS.

Quote from Dajmin :

Sounds like a cool idea, but surely they should be allowing all of the cars from his career?

Cause I'm a local (I went to high school in Lanark) and I demand it

Unfortunalty - not all of his cars are availibile - they are not all owned by Colin or his family. Some of the Fords for example. Some were totally destroyed in accidents.

In the main, as QS says - this is being organised by the Subaru community (some prominant members)- so the focus is for Subaru's but it goes with out saying - Colin was more than a Subaru driver - and anyone wishing to pay there respects and join in the day is welcome - more than.

Other runs done - we the Lands End to John O'groats convoy for the Richard Burns Foundation - over 1000 cars involved over 2 days - in convoy along motorways - got a bit scarey at points covering 3 lanes of the motoway at ridiculous speeds.

Never thos has it been done is in this way - It will be a stunnign weekend.

Hows about this lot then - theres a load to watch - not sure you need to make a video of your own tho.....

http://search.msn.co.uk/video/ ... x?q=karting&FORM=BVIR

In the past few months since the sad passing of Colin McRae, feverish work has taken place behind the scenes to create a tribute from the Subaru community with the view of celebrating the life of a true legend. Now that official permission has been obtained from the parties concerned, McRae Estate, Jimmy and Margaret McRae and Prodrive, and approval for our plan been obtained from the relevent authorities, this is the time to release the details of what is planned.

An event taking place on the weekend of Aug 30th and 31st comprising of a convoy of Impreza's from Lanark, Colin's home town and Prodrive in Banbury. An overnight stop comprised of either camping for the hardcore or Travelodge/B & B's for the not so hardcore and a mass Subaru meeting on the Sunday at Prodrive in Banbury.


http://www.mcrae-gathering.co. ... n,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

If you want to know more or are intersted in tagging along - check it out on the above site.

I am quiet suprised that this has not been formally announced as yet. This is a big thing for LFS, participating in this scheme. I would have thought it would be fan fares, bells and whitsles etc.

When I got LFS - It didnt have what i did now - It had Blackwood - with the rallyx track that was very diferent to what it was now.

There was no car park, skid pad, drag strip - none of them. We used ot spend time breaking out of the track and driving round the edge - searching for hidden areas.

Physics - it was developing at the time and had potential - it certianly wasnt brilliant.

I guess I liked it because it was new - fresh - and Free at the time.

Im waiting for and have been for some time - the new Elite - some of you may know it as Frontier or Frontier Elite.

http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/

Probably the first space trader "sim" out there back in the days of the Acorn Electron and BBCB, when pc's were black and white or Green and White Screens.

Elite as it is now is in development for a modern release - somewhere- but there is on going legal wrangling between the origional writers.

Arma 2 is another I am waiting for.

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

Woof Woof.

They should of just updated the P1 with new parts, tweaked it a bit every year and not touch the exterior.

Id prefer the 22b (type UK) to a P1 anyday - although the P1 did get Super Car classification.

Well it depends what you want really.

The WRX with out the wide arches and running about 230 bhp - is not a bad car - but as you say it hasnt got the looks of the Newage.

The STI tho - different matter, I would certainly consider trading in my Hawkeye for one. 300 BHP - 0 - 60 in 5.4 - its gonna be a fair mover and a little uner 24K - means its well cheap.

It took a long time for people to get used to the evolving look of the Newage - first the bugeye - then the blobeye.

Its poularity will hang on how well it does in the WRC. If it wins races - people will love it. With Marko Martin as the official WRC test Driver, it will cerainly get puts through its paces.

Theres many more changes in the car this year - not just the looks. New suspension set up for the rear, diferent engine config (electronic Map) and diff set up (ECCD).

I didnt like it at first - but seeing the STI changed my mind. I do like it.

Well in 2007 a lot happened in the development of LFS. A lot of hard work was put in by Many. Not just the Devs but server hosters, racers, mod designers and alike.

Id just like to raise a glass, putting all differences aside, and wish you all, a very Merry and Happy new year.

May 2008 bring all you desire and hope for.

Best Wishes

Widdowmaker

Found it while browsing the net one day - Some one had said - have you seen Live for speed- I thought they said - Need for Speed -I checked it out - loved it - even back then... Must have been at least a very early demo, maybe even pre demo. Cant remember - many mons ago (lol)

Qualifying - KY Oval. Full field (XFR, XZR, XRR) of AI on 3 minute quali. Ai started from the pit - did 2 laps - and as the 3 minutes ended - 1/2 the field failed to make a last lap, eg they didnt cross the finish line before the end of Quali - thos that had had sufficient fuel left but didnt not complete the lap they were on.

Because the clock had gone to Zero - they pitted and ended session(pulled into garage) - even though they could still have done a flying lap.

Quote from steve :

haha wow, taking off a few times, slipping the clutch gently like a real road car, and the clutch pretty much burns right out. Hopefully this issue gets resolved soon

You should never slip the clutch, in any shape sense or form. Find the biting point, and pull away - any slippage should last bit a brief moment - and you under power. No need to slip at all.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

In most non-endurance races, teams pit when a full course caution comes out. But since LFS doesn't have full course cautions, and since AI can't possibly know about them, we can't currently handle this case. Best case solution here is that if a car causes a yellow flag for more than, say, 20 seconds (assuming reset is disabled), LFS issues a full course caution for 1-2 laps and forces that car to spectate.

At the moment, whats in development is the AI and how they behave. Im sure at this point of development, what ever the Dev team decide on what needs to happen to get to patch Y is going to happen, and full course cautions are not in the plan at this stage (?).

Quote from Cue-Ball :

I think this is more a problem with the basics of the way LFS works than it is a problem of the AI. Every track in LFS has half as many pit boxes as it does garages. The AI aren't aware of this limitation, and neither are normal players. It's impossible for everyone on a full server to pit at the same time, and since people are assigned stalls as they join you don't even know who your "teammate" is. This makes it virtually impossible for pit sharing to work. We need some sort of way to assign people to certain pit areas and make those areas clearly visible so that drivers know which pit is theirs. Then, the AI need to be made aware of this as well.

I wasnt even thinking about that (pit sharing)- I recall in LFS that AI used to use the fuel that I did. What I started the race with so did they.

Im not sure full course cautions are an option, just like my suggestion, at this point, maybe it will mean a new level of coding??? I do understand that what you are doing is suggesting that tho, not inferring that thats what is happening.

When you refer to team mates - that brings me on to AI racing online - I went on to the AI online server (which is pretty funky) and all my cars all pitted on the same lap - I would like to be able to get them to pit on different laps to help each other in the race, as they can in real life. BY pitting on different lap, which I cn decide - it allows them to hold up other cars, or find a gap in the traffic, and help there team mates (team rules) or hinder oppostion. Maybe they should be able to decide to do that themselves?????

LoL - heres me wanting LFS to be come a team management Sim.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

I think that's a hacky and poor workaround. Right now the AI are great at determining the amount of fuel they need, how many stints they need to run, etc. I sure as heck don't want to have to assign every single AI a specific fuel level just to make them pit more "randomly". Especially if Scawen could do the same thing with a relatively straight forward logic fix.

Ohhh I would - I would then save that classic pit line up and share with you all for some fun - AI watching - or AI Beating. I am a bit of a stratergy geek and like fiddling like that. Especially if the reawrd mean the end justified the means. Im not a turn up and go person. I do like to work at things a bit.
I do agree that the fix should be straight forward logic.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

What we really need is: Full course cautions, AI that are aware they may be sharing a pit box with another car (AI or human), and some sort of way for people to get assigned stalls/pits and be able to tell which one they are assigned to. And the AI being more aware of human drivers wouldn't hurt either, but Scawen said he's working on that.

Yes they will all be good in the end - agreed.

Sorry for the long post but didnt want to just quote bits and miss quote you in anyway. Just like LFS this will grow and develop accordingly, and Im sure any suggestions made here - will be most likely never seen.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

That's how it's supposed to work. Fuel level is not tied to car setup and never has been (not even for when you are driving). The AI select the amount of fuel that they need given the car they're driving, the track they're on, and the number of laps.

But wouldnt it be nice - when driving against a fleet of AI drivers to have them on different pit stratergies, Why would all teams choose to pit on lap 25 of a 50 lap race? for example.

I understand the orgional issue - Not every driver in every race would want to do that, exactly what the other guys does. Especially 2 guys in the same team - they would want different pit stop windows.

I think at this point - its fair to suggest that maybe we should be able to set the fuel level on AI cars, if desired.

Funny thing tho - they can decide how much fuel they need - yet they cant drive around a corner with out taking me out on the guy on there inside/outside.

Im really enjoying this testing phase - and Im well looking forward to AI developments. Cracking job.

Quote from evosports :

if only i didnt have college is there any idea on how many hours we will need to be available?

It will depend on the project and what is required. Some testing enviroments are 2-3 hours - some testing requirements may need 3-4 days every week.

If you were applying - I would put what hours you can spare - and you may get selected for a project. You dont have to do it.

Try your luck.

Quote from Scawen :

Which cars? Because I tested the oval and it was ok. It will just save me a lot of testing if you tell me which cars don't slow down in time.

FZR still speeds in pit lane on X32

Ahhh - just checked properly - with damage - failed to brake in time - with no damage slows down just fine...... Call of the troops

Only real problem I do have there is that the AI take to the pit lane in the middle of the bend - and should really join before the solid white line.

Last edited by Widdowmaker, Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:06.

Welcome back to the forums Fordman. Change is sometimes difficult to accept. LFS is fun - online racing might not be unless your with group of people you trust and get on with.

Im sure with a few hours of concentrated effort, you will enjoy it again.

You are entitled to an opinion, and I hope you come around. I personally dont enjoy the over competitaveness of some of LFS as it stands - the dsire to win win win at all costs, yet I enjoy the sim. The closer it gets to actually driving a real car - the better it will be.

When the guys come over for BBQ from my car club - we normally go with the RB4 and Blackwood Rallyx.

4WD rocks

What about Grand Theft Auto San Andreas or Vice City

Quote from pb32000 :

Surely not dude. I run that ram at I think those timings - possibly 4-4-4-12 and my 580W PSU copes fine, as you'd expect.

Compared to the cpu and GTX in there the ram uses a small amount of power. I think the issue lies somewhere else myself.

Well - I'm no expert and the issue resolves it self when there is only 2 sims in, so cant thiunk what else it would be. It cuts out just like a lack of power issue - with no errors reported.

Dont know what else it could be.

Yeah - having issues with the Memory itself - its extremely power thristy running the low latency timings. Not a massive issue really. I dont want to go over to vista yet - so will crack on with the 2G till I get a new PSU and the 2nd GTX.

The New psu is only £80, Ive spent over £2500 this year on PC's so a drop in the ocean and will stick 700W in PC Im selling. The new PSU will help with the SLI memory when that arrives.

Just upgraded my system for christmas

Hardware:
Processor: AMD X2 6400+ Black Gamer edition
Videocard: XFX Nvidia 8800 GTX (running at 1950 mhz)
Memory: OCZ DDR 2 - Dual channel PLatinum revision running at 800mhx with 444 15 timings (Have 4g but power supply not good enough to run 2g)
HDD: Samsung 500g sata II, Samsung 300g IDE, Samsung 120g IDE
DVD: Samsung WriteMaster SataII with
Motherboard: Asus M32n sli Deluxe Green with AI (Quiet technology and AI driven cooling and Overclock utilities)
PSU: Artic Storm 700W (upgrading to 1000W) to power 4g mem
Speakers: Mad KAtz 5.1 surround
Soundcard: Onboard 8 channel
Monitor: 1 x Dell 17", 2 x DGM 17"
Monitor devices: Matrox triple head 2 go
OS: Windows XP
Case: Aqua Jeantech Gaming Developments Case
Cooling: PSC - Zalman 9500 psu cooler - Case 3 x 80mm artic blue fans - 1 x 120mm artic blue
Accesories:
Mouse: Logitech G5 Gaming mouse
Keyboard: Logitech G15 Keyboard
Headset: Pantronics Game.com 1
Wheel: Logitech DFP
Additional controlers: G Saitek X52 Flight Control System, Saitek rudder pedal controls, Logitech USB wireless dual rumble controler.



Next planned upgrades

1000w Power supply
2nd 8800 GTX to run SLI
Upgrade OCZ memory to SLI compliant pre loaded sli timing and Profile Memory

Will fund Upgrade by selling old System
Hardware:
Processor: AMD 4600+ Socket 929
Motherboard: Gigabyte 8KN Sli
Cooling: Standard PSU cooling - case 3 x 120mm artic blue fans
Videocard: 2 x 7600GT in SLI format
Memory: 2g DDR 1 (non Specific)
HDD: 2 x Nvidia Stripe 200g Sata in Stripe format
DVD: Generic DVD Burner
PSU: 450W Generic (suitable to power current configuration.
Soundcard: Onboard
Case: Packard Bell case - its the best case Ive had - real roomy and easy to work with - Dont wont to sell it but wont take a GTX size card without cutting.

Last edited by Widdowmaker, Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:35. Reason : Stole formatting from fella above