Quote from Hoellsen :

One of the top 5 races in MS career. What a way to end the most successful career in F1.

I sign that, nothing more to say, except: :cry:

First of all: Great race, I had a lot of fun chasing the pod-guys (huhu bjoern ) and I like the thing, that there are GT2 cars on the track. Great action there.

Only one thing: If you get blue flag, and get lapped (hello, car #7), wouldnt it be easier to lift a sec or move over, than actually racing on racing line, closing door and bumping into my left rear wheel, when I finally pass? It doesnt matter, if you are actually also fight for position, it's a matter of racerules, that you should let car behind pass, when you get blue flag.

eh guys, race will end, when schumi will start. no prob at all F1 is @ 19 cest (17 gmt). therefor right at the end of our race. Maybe we can start 5 mins earlier?

hehe, sry then

Quote from Scoop :

Results of the first qual sesion are up

As for the Aston GT logo i'm sorry to report that Tweak wasn't able to complete it in time for LFS GT, if by some miracle he'll do it until the race then everyone will have to use it, if not we'll just race with the LFS GT banner only

Shouldn't we (Team OCRANA OldSchool) be in 6th position? 666 - S.Musahl drove overall 6th time, and we are placed 7th? I dont get the logic there...

Quote from danowat :

Why?, because there are fundamental flaws, like the starting system, that IMO let the whole realism of the sim down.

And it's just the general high horse attitude of a certain sect of LFS users that I find annoying.

Dan,

[_] you have understood that LFS is WiP, and that the physics system will be more and more complete with every new patch.

Why are the starts arcadey? Cause it was easier to code and you have something to play.
Why is there no brake fade? Cause it isnt implemented yet, but will be.
And so on and so on. If you take the stuff, which is already implemented fully, then it is the most realistic you can get in sims nowadays.

that is the way LFS works and will work for quite a long time. It's not a game like GTR or similar, which has to be kind of complete but without "real" physics below, to make it sellable. Be happy to have what you have right now in LFS and be happy that you know, that LFS will get all the other stuff done right, that you want.

I - for myself - dont get the difficulty in understanding this...

1. Question: Did you solve the serverproblem? So that we race on the LFS-GT server and not on the MoE server again (which seem to be really unstable).

2. Question: Who will drive the last hour of the race, while Schumi doing his last ever race in F1 history?

Quote from al heeley :

This debate does not belong on this thread.

your job to solve that.

Quote from TagForce :

Mods will always get complaints, whatever they do...
There was a time we didn't see mods for a while, and there were complaints nothing was being done. Now that that's changed, they get complaints too much is deleted.

The mods run this show for the most part. If you don't like what they did, go to the feedback section of the forum (which isn't here, so PM the mod)...
Don't waste valuable forum space with completely off-topic complaints.

sure they get complaints. You wonder? And if they get complaints about too much deletion, then they should think about that. There was seriously no reason to delete anything in here. People got ok with it, replied to posts they wanted etc. Now you have the mess, cause here are people that complain. So who made the mistake here?

IMHO there are only a few things, a mod should delete: Links to pron, offensive material as racist shit, spam from forum spammers and advertisement stuff. Nothing of that was in this thread here...

sometimes I wonder if mods just feel the need to do anything. The moment a mod comes to the spotlight, other people complaining about their moved/edited/deleted threads, he did something wrong imho.

Quote from martine_wedlake :

Pardon me if I hijack the thread for a little bit, but I don't really agree with the above; especially the part that "with some physics understanding, you'll see, that the momentup put on the cars then is quite big."

Seems to me that all this applies only when you have inelastic collisions... then the energy represented by the overlap goes directly into reactive force (generating large momentum). But, cars are not inelastic -- they crumple -- thus a vast portion of that energy should really dissapate into the bodywork, suspension, etc and only a little bit go into the reactive force.

Even though LFS does not today have a fully implemented damage model, seems like it could at least pull out that part of the energy and apply only a small portion of the remaining energy toward the change in momentum. Of course, until you have a complete damage model, you'll need to estimate the dissapated energy instead of calculate it... but you get the idea.

well, as said way up in that thread, the momentum is calculated for some kind of inelastic collision. It's easier to calculate, simple thing.

BTT: It's not a LFS related BUG, it's an Online Racing Game bug, where collisions take part. There is actually NO way to totally prevend that, except allowing the cars to dive into each other a bit. Every Racing Sim has that, that in a short LAG and both cars heading towards same position, they might appear to be inside the other car then. And a proper physics calculation of collisions will then reverb the force, which would be realistically needed to "dive" that much into the other car onto both cars in the reversed direction. With some physics understanding, you'll see, that the momentum put on the cars then is quite big. That'll leap them anywhere. This happened to me in every other sim too once or twice. It's just a matter of LAG.

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Quote from Madman_CZ :

I'll have to dig out my missile launcher for the Brazillian gp ..

I'd pay you a zillion quid

nice move by eyebrow to show the "winner-fist" the moment, MS engine blows. Very sportsmanlike behaviour.

congrats Alonso, one of his greatest performances! bad luck MS... Now we need that blow up RC button for the renault in Brasil

really looking forward to this grand prix. Will be interesting, cause no one knows how the weather will be. On rain, everything will change!

Quote from keiran :

Then we move to China, Alonso dominated in the wet conditions (6 tenths quicker in qualifying than 2nd place man in the same car) at the start. He dominated in the tricky drying conditions where one mistake would drag you right off the road, he set 15-20 laps with nearly a fastest lap in each one if not at least a fastest sector.

Wasn't it him, who took first turn a "bit" wide? And who was overtaken by MS in great manner? Sure, he was fast in the beginning, but as said by his chief technician, it was him, who saw his worn down front left tire and wanted new ones.

Oh, and did I say, MS is my hero? never did say that. The difference between you and me keiran is easy: You're an Alonso fanboy, I am not a MS fanboy.

Wherever you'll go, I'll be right there waiting for you .... Here's something for your lonely nights nightmares :P Keep on Rocking, vic!

Quote from biggie :

Okay... I'd call this way of reasoning ridiculous. Maybe there aren't many people who hotlap exclusively but then again, how do you explain the filled hotlap charts? Because nobody uses the hotlapping mode anyway? Right. There's a good bunch of people who seem to be using the hotlapping mode - even if not exclusively. So the opinion of those people should be counted too.
Your attitude towards hotlapping sometimes annoys me a little... I respect you for what you do (racing only), can't you just do the same?

How much more shall I write, to show that I was kidding? Your reaction shows lack of humour and is the actual annoying part... come on, j/k means JUST KIDDING!

As I said, and this contributes to the discussion again: I'd like to see a real version, that you start from pits, with the tires at the temps as it is now. If this is not in the way, the devs like it, then give the tires more temp (not selectable by players, just more, to keep it even), and start from last split. If you'd start from pits with the normal temp, your tires would be at that about 10°-15° more higher temp at last split anyway.


Still, I'd vote for startpoint at pits, with tires preheated as they are now, when you exit pits.

as long as starting position is "unreal", I'd go for preheated tires, cause somehow the car should have gotten to that point of the track anyway. The moment you put starting position to pits, then you stay with the current temps for sure.

The second conclusion, the real one, would suit my understanding of sim more. On the other hand there is this minority of maybe 5 people, who just hotlap. So why not consider some precious worktime to solve their prob.... j/k

keiran, just if you dont trust anyone: here's another link to another page with that news about how the great sportsman alonso talks about his team.

http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/e ... detail/061003093224.shtml Or is it again someone elses fault? Still a great sportsman? Yeah, sure....

Quote from xaotik :

And that shows one of the things that Schumacher is tops in: leadership and being a team player; getting his team's act together and motivating them.

All the other kiddies just whine about their team being so bad to them it's pathetic. With MSC atleast you hear him saying "we" whenever he refers to Ferrari (same when he was in Benetton) and he never says "they" (the team) and "I" (the driver). Well, guess what, with that sort of mentallity ofcourse your team won't help you...

yep, good point.

Oh, still wondering here, why no one starts moaning about Renault team-order in china. Maybe cause there was no such sentence as "Giancarlo, let fernando pass for the championship, let fernando pass for the championship" :P Or maybe just the fact, that it's not Ferrari... :P

keiran, have you seen alonso drive live once? And if you dont like to see the fact, that in extreme circumstances (really hot, strange wet-to-dry weather or any different weather) he messes it up. Always with his style of driving, then go on. From the ppov of ergonomic and smooth driving, he simply sux big time.

Quote from keiran :

My question still stands and you've yet to answer it, you name a race where he has been responsible for `killing` his front tyres. He managed to make his tyres last whole races last year and was one of the most consistent drivers of the grid.

china, first stint. It was his impression, that he killed the tires, and needed new. And I honestly think (from the looks) that he actually really killed them

Oh.. Hockenheim this year. remember? it was too hot for the michelins, and bang: alonso was the michelin with the biggest probs. fisicho, kimi, button been faster.

Besides that, I simply DONT like the fact, that this style is fast. Cause it isnt imho as skillful as Kimi, fisicho, button, michael handle their cars, and go smooth around the corners. I also do hope that this will show up even more in next year, with same tires everywhere, a new car for him and prolly his teammate (if it will be hamilton), and that will end in some probs for him (beside the biggest prob of merc reliability).

when seeing button or especially Kimi LIVE, being able to watch every lap how he turns in and moves the car, made me really really apreciate his skills. This great skill should be honoured asap with a championship imho.

Quote from csurdongulos :

as a good old song goes: who the f**k is Failure?!?

ps: sorry no offense, but I really have no clue who he is, I know the other two though and I've been into LFS for a few years now

yoyo csur, still alive? :P