Quote from keiran :

Then we move to China, Alonso dominated in the wet conditions (6 tenths quicker in qualifying than 2nd place man in the same car) at the start. He dominated in the tricky drying conditions where one mistake would drag you right off the road, he set 15-20 laps with nearly a fastest lap in each one if not at least a fastest sector.

Wasn't it him, who took first turn a "bit" wide? And who was overtaken by MS in great manner? Sure, he was fast in the beginning, but as said by his chief technician, it was him, who saw his worn down front left tire and wanted new ones.

Oh, and did I say, MS is my hero? never did say that. The difference between you and me keiran is easy: You're an Alonso fanboy, I am not a MS fanboy.

Wherever you'll go, I'll be right there waiting for you .... Here's something for your lonely nights nightmares :P Keep on Rocking, vic!

Quote from biggie :

Okay... I'd call this way of reasoning ridiculous. Maybe there aren't many people who hotlap exclusively but then again, how do you explain the filled hotlap charts? Because nobody uses the hotlapping mode anyway? Right. There's a good bunch of people who seem to be using the hotlapping mode - even if not exclusively. So the opinion of those people should be counted too.
Your attitude towards hotlapping sometimes annoys me a little... I respect you for what you do (racing only), can't you just do the same?

How much more shall I write, to show that I was kidding? Your reaction shows lack of humour and is the actual annoying part... come on, j/k means JUST KIDDING!

As I said, and this contributes to the discussion again: I'd like to see a real version, that you start from pits, with the tires at the temps as it is now. If this is not in the way, the devs like it, then give the tires more temp (not selectable by players, just more, to keep it even), and start from last split. If you'd start from pits with the normal temp, your tires would be at that about 10°-15° more higher temp at last split anyway.


Still, I'd vote for startpoint at pits, with tires preheated as they are now, when you exit pits.

as long as starting position is "unreal", I'd go for preheated tires, cause somehow the car should have gotten to that point of the track anyway. The moment you put starting position to pits, then you stay with the current temps for sure.

The second conclusion, the real one, would suit my understanding of sim more. On the other hand there is this minority of maybe 5 people, who just hotlap. So why not consider some precious worktime to solve their prob.... j/k

keiran, just if you dont trust anyone: here's another link to another page with that news about how the great sportsman alonso talks about his team.

http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/e ... detail/061003093224.shtml Or is it again someone elses fault? Still a great sportsman? Yeah, sure....

Quote from xaotik :

And that shows one of the things that Schumacher is tops in: leadership and being a team player; getting his team's act together and motivating them.

All the other kiddies just whine about their team being so bad to them it's pathetic. With MSC atleast you hear him saying "we" whenever he refers to Ferrari (same when he was in Benetton) and he never says "they" (the team) and "I" (the driver). Well, guess what, with that sort of mentallity ofcourse your team won't help you...

yep, good point.

Oh, still wondering here, why no one starts moaning about Renault team-order in china. Maybe cause there was no such sentence as "Giancarlo, let fernando pass for the championship, let fernando pass for the championship" :P Or maybe just the fact, that it's not Ferrari... :P

keiran, have you seen alonso drive live once? And if you dont like to see the fact, that in extreme circumstances (really hot, strange wet-to-dry weather or any different weather) he messes it up. Always with his style of driving, then go on. From the ppov of ergonomic and smooth driving, he simply sux big time.

Quote from keiran :

My question still stands and you've yet to answer it, you name a race where he has been responsible for `killing` his front tyres. He managed to make his tyres last whole races last year and was one of the most consistent drivers of the grid.

china, first stint. It was his impression, that he killed the tires, and needed new. And I honestly think (from the looks) that he actually really killed them

Oh.. Hockenheim this year. remember? it was too hot for the michelins, and bang: alonso was the michelin with the biggest probs. fisicho, kimi, button been faster.

Besides that, I simply DONT like the fact, that this style is fast. Cause it isnt imho as skillful as Kimi, fisicho, button, michael handle their cars, and go smooth around the corners. I also do hope that this will show up even more in next year, with same tires everywhere, a new car for him and prolly his teammate (if it will be hamilton), and that will end in some probs for him (beside the biggest prob of merc reliability).

when seeing button or especially Kimi LIVE, being able to watch every lap how he turns in and moves the car, made me really really apreciate his skills. This great skill should be honoured asap with a championship imho.

Quote from csurdongulos :

as a good old song goes: who the f**k is Failure?!?

ps: sorry no offense, but I really have no clue who he is, I know the other two though and I've been into LFS for a few years now

yoyo csur, still alive? :P

keiran: Alonso wanted new tires, that's what he and his team said. Cause they were worn down. So this was his "wrong" decision in the first place which caused the bad balance after it. Even if they discussed it in the team etc.

Besides that, I dont know if you have seen him drive, but in extraordinary surroundings he kills his fronts more than any other driver, and he's the one driver who needs the TC the most. I just dont like that style, and I am happy, that drivers with more smooth feel for the car show in those extraordinary circumstances, that they are superior.
Alonso for me is like an AI. Coded for a typical range of weather. If the real weather goes outside this, he's dropping down in terms of performance.

the last pitstop - even if made faster - wouldnt have helped him to get MS, cause MS was clearly slowing down in last 5 laps, and being about 0.5 to 1 sec faster isnt enough to overtake.

Alonso was so pissed, cause he knew, that it was part his mistake, to want new tires etc. Why dont you accept, what he says?

I'm so looking forward to next season, when those "I hate schu, that's why I love eyebrows" guys will get a good time by hoping for a Race-lasting McLaren :P

Well, Renault said, that Alonso claimed, he had burned his tires in first stint. Same said mr eyebrow himself, and therefor they switched to nu fronts...

Quote from Becky Rose :

I think Renault's right rear tyre mechanic took a bribe from a man in a red raincoat! lol. Talk about throw the race away, but Alonso did drive superbly.

I ask one question:

Why did Alonso needed new fronts, while fisicho didnt?

Ah right, might be his "digital" full lock steering style... So that was imho not a bad luck day from the pitcrew or whatever, he messed it up by killing his tires, cause he simply CANT drive saving tires. If he now claims "tires didnt work at the middle etc." you have to question him: Why did Fisichos work? Why couldnt he save his tires? He wont have an answer to this, cause seeing own mistakes is not something the big champions do easily (MS too...)

maybe that number tells you something about how many laps are doable? Just an idea...

Just vote here a "10" for LFS, then we'll change that a bit

http://www.simracingworld.com/games/196-live-for-speed-s2/

Dont Shift-S, people should finally learn the meaning of the "Yellow Flag" sign on the screen....

wrong forum?

wow, I have to say Congratulations. Great stuff (as long, as you are inside the car, and drive by yourself). I like that a lot and will have some more testdrives with it. Dunno, if it will be able to tell me the same details about the engine, as original sound, but DAMN, IT SOUNDS GREAT!

Quote from sil3ntwar :

and the bastards wont release the track unless you join their little club which you wont be able to do if you've ever whispered anything bad about netKar. The netKar community is crap as its run by a small group of people who like to keep the cool things to themselves.

That's a really intelligent approach to earn money...illepall

well, that's the 2002 version you see there in the vid, the original one that is also put in the game. In the meantime there is a faster and stronger RA being developed, with more power, some little facelift, but still looking good (imho). You can find that link actually quite easy, by simply looking at the exit screen of LFS...

Quote from tristancliffe :

:O The Cheek!!!

Who's gonna do a photoshop of Leo and me side by side then??? I'd like to think that I'm a touch more talented at LFS at the moment, but Leo won't be too far behind in the maturity stakes.

I bet he's faster than you already. If not, Scawen makes it

Quote from keiran :

LOL don't make me laugh, he never blamed the FIA for a blown engine. He merely stated that he was running in the dirty air a lot more than he would have had he started where he wanted, and he was running it high revs all the way. Renault have said the engine blowing is part of the sport, it's the interfering which isn't.

Sure, he blamed the FIA for that blown engine. Beside the fact, that he would have run even higher RPMs all the race, if started from 5th place, and still not matching the speed of the two winners there. But he clearly said: From starting position 5, I would have won it. illepall A little reality lost? His fastest race-laptime was more than half a sec slower than Michaels and Kimis. I dont like him, he's the one, who behaves childish and whiny, and his interview in spanish radio yesterday was another clear point to show that again. Why on earth is he pointing towards MS, that he's the most unfair racer? It's Kindergarten-play what he does there, and he will pay for that. I guess his title last year will be the first for quite a while...

Quote from keiran :

Alonso is as calm as you like but also a hard racer, I very much doubt he will resort to bumping other cars off the road.

We'll talk in a few years again, ok? ATM, he has as many penalties as schumi had after the same amount of years in F1...

I didnt say, he overtook in red flag, that was an ironic pointing to the second vid, where schumacher WASNT pushing at all, but passed them slowly, and Alonso clearly slowed down a lot for whatever reason... But hey, no need to argue with you, Alonso is clean and fair, doesnt braketest (what was that with coulthard in nürburgring and) and is the fairest and nicest racer ever. That's also the reason, why he starts whining and blaming the FIA for blown up engines... dream on, I enjoy meanwhile the last championship of the best racer of all times.

Quote from keiran :

Alonso has been a fair sportsman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feslxpzokuk

Yeah, sure...

Wake up, he is as fair, as Schumi is. And that is a real red flag overtake with "Full" speed, while Alonso was driving as fast as possible:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI2t4Syw7QY

Now, gimme another 1000 words on how fair Alonso is, and Schumi isnt or whatever. On my point of view both are on a same level in terms of ruthlessness.

it's fun how everyone jumps up, when something bad happens to Alonso from the stewarts etc. but if Alonso tricks schumi into penalty for passing in training under red, or breaking in front of some other driver just cause he's pissed, it's ok?

COME ON! Alonso actually did already several things on the track, which puts him on the same level of "hard" on track behaviour like schumacher at this age. There is almost no difference. Now be happy, the championship is open, and we will get a final great fight of good racers in the last 3 races of this season. While I consider Ferrari in better position, cause their third driver Kimi gets up to the same level of speed

Quote from ebola :

he also had the best car/team behind him and I'm sure that helps alot.

Yeah, that's the reason, why he went after two championships to "the best team in 95 Ferrari" illepall

Yeah, sure....



Goodbye MS, you changed motorsport, especially in germany, without you, BMW wouldnt be in F1, I bet, and we wouldnt have the F1 in LFS

Quote from deggis :

Really? I thought LFS was only used in the Racing Tour and rFactor was on the "BMW Pit Lane Park" or something events in GP weekends. But if that's the case it's even better.

Yep, you are right, but at GP of Hockenheim, the Intel Racing tour was there