No, it should work whenever. Maybe a java update or something is required?

Driver preference ultimately.

Mine never, ever looks like that. Admittedly I haven't played it for 2 or 3 weeks, but I doubt it's changed THAT much in that time.

And also admittedly I only ever see stuff from the in car camera. I don't ever use 'photo' modes, and I've not used a replay in a racing game for about 6 years.

Are these genuine, playable, in-game, unaltered graphics??????

Quote from Gabkicks :

Under certain times of day, PCars looks pretty realistic.

Night time. With a new moon. And heavy cloud cover. On tracks with no light pollution.

I agree that pCars has more toys in the graphics department at the moment, and arguably looks fancier, but I wouldn't say it looks better or more realistic. The graphics are best described as "odd".

Well, AC looks quite real.
pCars looks like some sort of Tolkien fantasy world.

So, which looks better? The one that looks 'real' or the one that 'doesn't'?

Quote from Bose321 :

Err? Last time I checked pCARS looks 10 times better.

Ya think? Go get your eyes tested. Reality doesn't look like pCars.

I'd consider buying nKP again if licences from 2006 weren't being honoured! Utter bargain for the joint best sim in the last few years.

Not really. Looks are a matter of opinion. Not many rear/mid road engines cars actually achieve the balance of the MX-5, because the weight distribution ends up too far rearward (although granted 50:50 alone isn't the holy grail Mazda claim) And they are typically much harder to work on too!

And even on shit tyres you'll stop in half the distance that a Econobox (or 'sporty' derivatives) car on good tyres manages.

The GT86 is pretty much the only car made since the MX-5/Miata that I'm interested in. Bit new and expensive for me at the moment, but when it's 7 years old.......

The Countach and Diablo were both ugly creations made by an 8 year old back in their day. Now their considered iconic and ahead of their time.

This is definitely bedroom wall stuff for young boys, and that's what a Lambo should be about. The modern Audi ones have been dull dull dull dull refined and dull - up until they went bonkers again recently. Hurrah!

If you want a beautiful car, do not buy a Lambo. Except a Miura, but that's the only exception.

And here's a test. Which one is wrong. Bet you can only do it via Google or equivalent.

I believe he said "Karting was pure driving, real racing. And that…that makes me happy", which was a political statement.

I yes, I do believe he said what he said about Fullerton because there was no way on Earth he would consider saying an F1 driver was vaguely his equal.

I just never believed Senna on that score. It was a political answer, rather than the truth.

He also said karting was the purist form of motorsport - he didn't mean the racing or the dynamics or the closeness to the chassis, but it was a dig at the amount of politics in F1 at the time. Go-karterists seem to insist it was because karts are so amazing.

I didn't say that I thought Hulkenberg was particularly special, just emphasising that I admire F1 drivers both at the front and the middle of the grid (and the back of the grid too).

Do you think the fact that Hamilton did more pre-season testing for 2007 than most current F1 drivers acheive in over 2 full seasons (including testing) might have counted for that. Plus having the best car. And, undoubtedly, 2007 was his best season. In fact, Montreal 2007 was his best race. He appears to have got slightly worse (with a few exceptions) (relative to his peers) gradually since his debut.

I don't see him winning another title for a while. He's just not complete enough. If he does win a race in 2013 it'll either because his car is another Brawn, or he has a tyre advantage on the day (his engineers finding the sweet spot and strategy that the others can't attain).

And if you take out the raw results out of 2007, and merely compare him to his teammate (who was struggling with the tyres and the team for whatever reason), he wouldn't have made that major an impression had he started in a Torro Rosso or a Marussia etc.

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In real life, you do have to actively think about which side of your lane you're driving on, but not for very long. A mile perhaps.

In a sim you are lacking some inputs, so it is a bit harder. I struggle in LHD cars on a computer, but am quite happy to drive anything in reality. You do get used to it if forced to though, but most of time (in LFS) we just stick with our own preference so never get used to the 'other way'.

Quote from BlueFlame :

In relation to your further anti-Hamilton march :

You're too much of an anti-elitist. You speak your mind as-if you believe someone could just drop you in an F1 car and you'd be winning races. Infact, you make it seem like anyone could be dropped in an F1 car and win races. This cannot be disproved but it would be incredibly naive to actually believe this..

I don't know, maybe you're a bit jealous (nothing wrong with that) so you like to play down F1 drivers abilities because you believe that with more money you'd be there too but the reality is, if you saw F1 drivers skill level as actual competition for yourself, you'd respect all of them. The fact you seem to give off this self-adoring flavour suggests to me that actually you doubt your own skill.


When all is said and done, it's fine to be jealous of others because it shows you have high standards you've set for yourself, but it's not fine for jealousy to become this envious poison that taints everything you say and think.

Of course I doubt my own skill!! I'm a nobody and a no-hoper really. I am just lucky enough to be able to prove that!!!!!! My one and only saving grace is that I thought about overtaking Antonio Felix da Costa into T1 at Snetterton in the wet. It turned out his engine was misfiring at that point, which is the only reason I wasn't losing ground to him (like during every other millisecond of the race). Hell, he was quicker than me under the safety car.

I honestly don't think it is jealously. If it was, why would I admire drivers like Alonso, Vettel, Button, Hulkenberg etc etc? And even with Hamilton I accept that he's fecking good (they all are). But I don't look at him, in F1 terms (relative to his peers, past and present) as being that special.

Okay, so the granny thing is clearly an exaggaration. What about, regards that Monza pass, that if Kimi had been 3 or 4 seconds a lap faster he'd have managed to overtake Lewis just like that (possibly without the lockup). In fact, if the roles were reversed, Hamilton would have crashed into Kimi because he rarely (never) knows when to concede a corner.

Any F1 driver, including the shit ones (relative term, even Inoue is better than I could ever hope to be), could have pulled off that move in a car that was 3 - 4 seconds a lap quicker. All F1 drivers can brake late. Most can brake late AND hit an apex. That's what F1 cars and F1 drivers do.

It's like in Football. If a team (lets say Manchester United) is called "shit" after a poor game, they are still amazing compared to 10 years playing on their local village green with jumpers for goal posts. I think Lewis is nothing that special most of the time (and shockingly weak some of the time), but in relation to his peers.

The hype he had (and has had since) didn't endear him to me either, especially as most of his lauded overtaking moves in F3 and GP2 required his rivals to avoid the accident. In my book a great overtake is one that the other person can do nothing about, and Hamilton can do them, but very very rarely.

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Oh ok. Yes, that would slightly effect the feel and loadings through the wheel at different times, so could be a factor.

But the positons aren't mirrored. 1st is still left and forwards (mostly), whether it's LHD or RHD? I think it would be much harder if the gear positions were mirrored, but as they aren't it's as easy as walking either side of a lamppost - you just don't think about it.

What about the "Best F1 Overtake Ever" when Hakkinen went one side of Rosset and Schumacher the other? I've done the same thing. It's not great, it's just overtaking very shortly after lapping. Mika would have been shit if he'd lifted and waited, or just following Michael blindly, but to do what he did just required a novices racing brain or better.


So Kimi moves 2 inches to the right, and Lewis locks his brakes a bit like every driver does in qualifying anyway? What is so special? He was, if I recall, 3 or 4 seconds a lap quicker than Kimi at that point. I've locked my brakes whilst passing people, but I'm not exactly a legend.

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Braking slightly later than a car with a problem that didn't defend? Like I say, most grannies could do it (assuming their head didn't fall off).

Does anyone ever notice steering wheel "offset postioning"? I was driving a Stratos the other day and that's meant to be the worst for that sort of thing. But you only notice if you're Jeremy Clarkson trying to make a reputation on TV. Any normal driver just wouldn't notice it, just like you don't notice changing gear with the other hand in a left-hand-drive car.
But because of Clarkson (and only Clarkson) it's a 'big thing'.

Quote from Töki (HUN) :

Unless RBR comes up with a not so dominating car, arguing here is useless, since Vettel fans would never accept it's mainly the car. Well it clearly is, beating the field with 0.7-1 s / lap clearly describes the situation. But yeah keep on saying it's his skills, but some people are not that blind. The rest of the grid forgot how to drive fast of course. IMO Vettel has one strong area and it's Adrian Newey (oi what have I done...), but people don't understand that having the fastest car doesn't mean you're the best driver. Thinking that Vettel is better than Hamilton or Alonso overall, well, makes me laugh.

E: replying to the post below, comparing points makes no sense. Let's say, for example... Hamilton had more technical issues with the car, that automatically makes Button a better driver?

I'm thinking differently. Fighting in the middle of the pack doing great overtakes and spectacular battles is worth a LOT more than a pole-to-win hotlapping session presented by RBR.

No one is denying it is mainly the car. If Alonso or Hamilton were 0.7 - 1.1 seconds in front it would also be mainly the car. That doesn't devalue the driver. Senna was sometimes (in the late 80s) 2 seconds quicker than the next guy. A lot of that was mostly the car (except when he was 2 seconds clear of his teammate, and his teammate was 2 seconds clear of 3rd, in which case it was both car and driver).

I've honestly not understood why people think Hamilton is THAT good. Sure, there have been the odd flash, the odd great race, the odd race where we doesn't destroy tyres in 2 laps, and the more frequent good qualifying lap. But there has never been evidence of a consistent, error-free, emotion-free, thinking, adapting driver that is needed to become very good. He can strangle a car and force it to go fast, but that's hardly being a complete driver. Even his overtaking has been mostly average with the odd good one two or three times a season (about the same amount as everyone else). People were amazed when he once passed a limping Raikkonen at Monza - but a granny could have passed him that day.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Well your boy Alonso seems to think very highly of Hamilton indeed and visa versa.

Because what they say is always the truth.

Remember when Senna was asked who is best rival was, and he said Terry Fullerton? Do you REALLY believe him? Do you not think it was mind games? This was Senna. He was never going to say Piquet, Prost or Mansell were his best rivals now was he...

What are the facts? Hamilton is probably the quickest over one lap (although Vettel is very close in that regard), but Hamilton is incredibly weak in some areas. Neither of them are a patch on Alonso.

You REALLY think Hamilton is overall better than Vettel?!?!?!