On the road or track, if you have to brake hard, and one tyre has even a few percent less grip (due to friction, normal load, brake torque variations etc), then you'll lock up one wheel first.

I'd put the blame more at Gut, Sut and DiR

I'll buy more Shell in protest of their protest.

Some footage from me at Oulton earlier - https://www.youtube.com/watch? ... mbedded&v=_Ghri1Wrhf0

Some footage from Silverstone from Sunday (first ~6 minutes are best, then it gets a bit boring unless you can detect me coasting and short shifting to keep engine temps vaguely sensible after I got grass in my radiators) - http://vimeo.com/72732967

I take a hacksaw to every meeting. You never know!

I spend ages trying to build up some sort of credibility, and it's all dashed to hell in 2 or 3 posts. Gits!

Another win today, with a great overtake for the lead round the outside of Stowe. Now P2 in the championship, and closing in on Alice Powell. She has her sights set on F1.....

P.S. I'd take you all on in a second Jaffa Cake eating competition. Are you feeling lucky punk? Well, do ya??

P.P.S. I should point out this is F3 Cup. Not British F3 or FIA F3. We're all amateurs having a bit of fun, but I think we're proving we're not that bad really. I don't test, and I don't spend money if I can avoid it - I don't have much to spend. Finding money for food is genuinely difficult at times.

I think they're still limited by what is homologated in the road cars.

Not sure if using a word such as mnemonic in this thread is safe.

Soon we'll be using New Speak. Then it will be good. Double plus good actually.

Quote from Shotglass :

the same way people come up with new words in every language? people figure out a way to say something it catches on a while later everyone says it and some time later it ends up in a dictionary
how do brits decide why multiple crows are a murder and not a gaggle?

I see. I can cope the logic of evolution, and that it's sort of made up to begin with, presumably by what sounds right.

Us Brits have a room full of old people, and they decide collective nouns for stuff. Periodically, as a joke, we contaminate their water supply, and hence end up with silly ones.

I've always wondered...

Let's say something 'new' is invented. Perhaps the internet. Or a new type of fluid container that works in some completely different way to cups and bottles etc.

Who decides if it's a boy, a girl, transgender, a eunuch, or genderless??? Is there a group of "Very Special People" that decide it based on some logic? Are all the languages decided together, or do the Germans decide independantly of the French?

What if you learn of a new thing. How can you tell if it's a boy or a girl? Presumably you can't lift up your... mousemat or whatever, and look to see if it has balls?

If there was logic behind it then I think I could grasp it, just about. I know English is very peculiar, but generally there are some rules, and other than some words being used for very different things with different pronunciations it's a fairly logical language. I think. But I'm biased as I've never had to learn it as a foreign language.

If I wasn't on this forum I'd never have heard of him, and I do like motorsport. Quite a lot. Same way nobody has ever heard of me outside of this forum. It's a big sport, with lots of names (many of which are similar or duplicated). I watched the last BTCC race, and I could only name 7 or 8 drivers, and that's a big national series that was near my house.

So it's hardly surprising not everyone knows who Kiss is.

Quote from CodeLyoko1 :

League racing mate Sometimes you have a random NIKI or joonas being idiots, but they get suspended.

also you have cargame. Very good adminning there.

Leagues require a commitment that I cannot give. When I do play online it's when I can fit in half an hour or a couple of hours, not at a specific time that I may or may not be busy.

Cargame servers are, I'm sure, well run, but again chances are it'll be against people I don't know, and that holds little fun value for me. I am lucky that I get to race in real life (at the moment), so having fun in sims on my terms is important to me. If I want to pound round learning a track or playing with gearing then I'll do that offline (and in different sims).

I stopped racing online when LFS became too popular. I derived very little pleasure for racing against strangers, but because of the amount of players and servers, I found that people I knew were scarce online.

I have done a LOT more miles offline than online in the past 4 or 5 years. I don't foresee much playing online of Assetto Corsa, rF2, LFS, Gran Turismo.

In my experience a reasonable AI is far better than crying, whining, apparently 8 years old "real" people of dubious ability. I used to love online play back in around 2003-2008, and wouldn't consider offline play most of the time, but the opposite is now true.

I hate this "4 wheels off rule". It's taken too literally, and is difficult to police as not every incident is seen or punished.

Stick the grass and gravel near the track so the quickest way is to stay on the circuit. Currently the quickest way to race is to go off as much as possible. That's wrong.

I don't give a shit if its more dangerous. I'd rather see some injuries and fatalities than mindless zooming around on Tarmac runoffs waiting for pedants to find screen grabs of unpunished "4 wheels off" moments.

Moronic fans are killing F1.

Damn, I looked at both and chose the oldest, not the earliest Grand Prix entered. Ooops.

Robert La Caze in the 1958 Moroccan Grand Prix???

I won't claim to have known that without searching though.

You have to admit that in the last year they haven't really done anything particularly sim worthy. I know blowing leaves are great, but it would be nice if they took one car and made it behave properly. Just to show they know what they're doing...

Edit: Hmmm, maybe progress. Carcass heating... Might have to link my account to Steam soon.

This is why I don't like animated drivers - the gearshift animation STARTS when he pulls the paddle, and takes a lot longer than the actual gear change. In the beta I'm sure the driver put his hand on the gear lever near the redline to prempt the shift. Doesn't seem to now.

Also, the animation completes, even when he shifts three or four gears in quick succession, rather than the animation staying on the lever.

Hence it looks very very silly.

If it wasn't for that, it might look better. The car does seem to move around a bit, and is catchable, but impossible to judge from a video.

Quote from Born2BSlow :

@Tristan, with respect Ben Collins feedback is on car behaviour in game versus real life...he does have a little experience of thrashing real cars around real tracks. I don't know your background so I'm not going to trash your view, but I'd like to understand how you came to your conclusion if you could explain further please.

As noted, I do have a little bit of experience at real racing, and a whole lot more sim racing experience than Ben Collins. Ben is undoubtedly better at real racing than I, and will be better at feedback in real cars. But I'm not sure that that correlates to good feedback in sims - no g-forces or vibrations. A fairly static 2D view of the 3D world, articifical force-feedback (that as we all know is very very difficult to setup to feel right even when the base code is excellent), artificial sound generation (either real time or samples)... So I don't think he's necessary any good at all at giving comparison feedback between sim and real life, just like Mr Earnhardt (I think) gave the thumbs up to the monstrosity that is (was? Haven't played in years) iRacing.[/QUOTE]

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

For the record, Tristan drives open wheel cars around England. If you do a bit of searching, you can find videos of him driving his car. If I'm not mistaken, he recently purchased a new car as well.

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

Regarding Tristan's credentials, understand that he's been sim-racing (or at least involved with it on various levels, including being involved with LFS racing teams on and off) for at least a decade. That's about as far back as my input can provide, so it may be more than that. On top of that, however, he races semi-pro open wheeled cars regularly and has some connections (which I'm not at liberty to just spew) with Lotus that have afforded him opportunities aplenty that most of us won't ever see.

The main thing is that he's rather well versed in both "worlds" as it were. And in fact, this is the main key to the relevancy of his comments in terms of how a sim compares to the ultimate paradigm of reality. In case you're a (rightfully so) skeptic, all of this has been more than validated in this forum and others... not to mention his local newspaper

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And also Tristan, for a non specialised Engineer, has a wise head on his shoulders from watching his various technical orientated threads.

Basically he's termed a smart ass, in the best possible taste of course. Although the bugger made (suggested and rightly so) fork out a few quid for a decent HANS device, that was never worn at first....but will certainly be now after my recent 3 barrel roll site seeing excurtion

Are you still doing F3 this year Tristan?

Thanks.

I don't claim to be the best driver, the best engineer or the best sim racer. Hell, Dennis Lind on this forum is way better than me, let alone Valtteri Bottas (ex-short term LFSer)........ Alex Gassman (minimaxman I think) is very good. So I'm outclassed on this forum, let alone in the rest of the world, but that doesn't mean I'm totally useless either.

But having done a fair bit of both (nigh on 25 years of 'sim' racing, although granted the first 15 years of the genre were pretty poor really), and won a few races and championships in both, I do think I'm fairly able to tell what's 'right' and what 'isn't' in sims. I do suffer from bias some of the time (I don't think I could ever like rFactor, even if a 'perfect' mod was released for it!! Although I do have it installed and I do use it to fiddle with new tracks before I race on them).

This year is going okay. Still racing, although I always suspect that each year is the last, so I may have to stop soon. Ought to spend money on houses and gadgets and families rather than throwing it at a racing car. Won my first race of the year three weeks ago. The next day I made an error that resulted in a compression fracture of my spine (I still finished 4th, but was 2nd at the time of the accident). That's healing well, and I am hoping to back near the front this weekend at Brands Hatch (GP circuit). There are a couple of good drivers I'm fighting will, plus Alice Powell who, being semi-pro and having had a year of GP3 in 2012, who is leading the championship. So I'm having to up my game to compete with her, but the season isn't over yet.

I haven't asked for my pCars refund, but at the same time I see a lot of progress in areas that much to do with the simualtion side of things. The console noises do suggest it'll be dumbed down, and I don't think they'll want to maintain two lots of code to keep the PC simmers happy. I might be wrong. But pCars in a single seater at Spa is one of the worst sim experiences I've had for a long time. rFactor is better (and I really don't like rFactor).

Some changes were made between iSpending's laser scan and AC's, including sausages kerbs, Tarmac run offs and gravel traps. Tracks change over time...

In my experience, if tyres lose grip they impart less rotation on the car, not more.

I mentioned a few things wrong with the handling.

According to their forum I was wrong.

They spent a lot of time relying on Brn Collins' feedback, but he didn't know what he was talking about. It was just rubbish.

Born2BSlow - the trouble is that's its awful now and ISN'T getting better yet. Not really. There are long daily changelings, but very little tangible progress.

Unfortunately they HAVE jumped on the eye candy bandwagon well before acceptable physics.

With some clever algorithms I'd have thought it would be vaguely possible, as from acceleration you know speed, and from speed you know position. Filter the noise (carefully), and have a very slight centering 'rubber band effect' (so that in the event of no further movement it slowly bleeds back to zero displacement)... And I'm a dunce, so I'm sure the clever people behind Rift would come up with a far better, working solution.

I agree the TiR system is 'better' in so much that it can 'see' where it is, but of course the downside is that you have to be looking at the reflector on your monitors. So the advantage is also a disadvantage.

I still maintain that not being able to see the gearstick or the keyboard or whatever is a far bigger problem in real use, once the gimmick of simply playing with it has worn off (which admittedly might take a few weeks).

I wouldn't have thought it would be that hard for the Rift to have some sort of translation support with a simple 3 axis accelerometer and some thought. If it knows rotation (via yaw sensors?) then it's a similar process? Maybe it's just a cost thing - the straw that breaks the camel's back?