Jenson apologising is not the same as admitted guilt. I think had Jenson seen him he would have given more room. He didn't see him, so didn't give him the room, and was apologising for that. He certainly wasn't apologising because he felt he was at fault for not seeing him.

Anyway, using your logic, Lewis apologised in Monaco. Thus it is 100% without doubt his fault. He apologised after all, so must be to blame. And he apologised for his racist comments, which means he is admitting guilt for people having black skin... :spin::smash3d:

Last edited by tristancliffe, Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:47.

Jenson didn't choose the middle. He was always angled towards the left as the racing line dictates. If he did make his one move, it was a minute twitch and it was before Hamilton had any overlap.

Quote from pearcy_2k7 :

I know for a fact if the cars had been reversed hamilton would have been strung up by his bollocks for being too agressive and not paying attention to where other cars are, just proves hamilton is treated unfairly by the stewards and people that should know better.

How do you know this for a fact?

Hamilton only just had overlap. Bearing in mind even at F3 speeds (<150mph) you can't see your own bodywork in the mirrors with that level of circuit water, I don't see how he could be expected to see exactly where Lewis was if he could see him at all.

I know it's easy to assume the mirrors are always easy to see 'through', but trust me, single seater mirrors are not far from useless after the slightest hint of spray.

Quote from Mustafur :

What should HAVE happened:

Hamilton - Webber = Hamiltons fault but still classed as racing incident

Hamilton - Button = Buttons fault Given a drive through(no matter what bias trolls like tristan say, its not possible to think about whether the driver in front can see you while trying to make a pass in the wet when you clearly had it done).

Button - Alonso = Alonsos fault no further action(the retirement is enough)

Quote from Mustafur :

Maybe he should stick to club racing and dominate the ''soo called championship'' where hes car is atleast 3-5 seconds a lap faster, oh wait.......

Why is it not possible to consider what the other driver can see? Even at my level we realise the car in front, in the wet, probably can't see anything in his mirrors. At professional level FFord, F3, GP2, F2, GP3, Formula Renault etc they do as well. Why do F1 drivers suddenly lack the ability to consider the same thing?

If you actually pay attention to my racing you'll see that it's an awful lot closer than that. If I'm lucky I have a 0.2-0.3 second advantage in the race. But as I engineer the car myself and drive it myself, surely the aim is to be quicker/better than the rest?

The only precedent set is that Hamilton has lost his brains. Had he done what Jenson did today (i.e. nothing wrong and nothing wrong respectively) then no, I don't think he would be blamed. But he didn't behave, so he got what he deserved. Again.

Quote from Intrepid :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MTtudbPVQ8

...had Ruben's ended up in the wall that would've been his fault too? Nonsense.

Steward consistency or is Button allowed a free-pass to take out two cars? The Alonso one was his fault... but that's not how it works anymore

Watch the MSC/BAR video and the HAM/BUT incident and you'll see no similarities at all other than cars.

You should understand wet racing more than most on here...

Quote from Intrepid :

Kinda makes the Monaco penalties rather laughable if Button keeps win. 2 cars in the wall...?

Not at all, Jenson didn't cause either accident. Lewis has caused all of his recently.

Button was ahead, but perhaps should have given more room at the second apex.

But still - what a drive. From last, via 1400 pitstops, a drive through and a puncture, to a last lap win... You couldn't write it!

Quote from Juzaa :

It's getting quite boring. Just had to comment. Maybe I'll leave him be since I've already said what I think of him and this race has only strengthened my opinion.

Hamilton fans, look at the bright side; Now Hamilton has all the time he needs to wait and cool down before going to the press and comment the situation.

He was already taken out the back and told what to say. Like a child.

Quote from Seb66 :

I'd call that halfway along side tbh.

Really? In what world is half the same as 20%? His right front tyre is touching Jenson's left rear. That's less than one fifth of the way along the car.

Quote from DevilDare :

Well there you go, after 10 or so re-runs of the incident on BBC, Brundle was quick to pick up that Button WAS looking at his mirror and no doubt saw Lewis coming up...

Yup, he seemed to be looking, but that's not the same as seeing. Even if he had seen, he couldn't expect Lewis to dive into a gap that was only going to be there for nano seconds.

And the normal, dry, racing line IS that close to the wall for some drivers/cars.

Utterly Lewis's fault. If it had been me, I'd have either lifted before contact, gone to the right hand side and tried my luck round the outside of T1 (which gives the inside into T2), or waited a little bit longer in a long race to make my move. No way would I have kept my foot in knowing that the gap was closing that fast. I doubt anyone else on the grid would have done so either.

On the plus side, he does add interest to F1.

On the downside, it's usually for all the wrong reasons.

Numpty.

I wonder if the teams add a bit of fuel just for this 'boost' during races. Then, as long as they've saved the correct amount of fuel, they have 3 - 5 laps of qualifying exhaust boost available that they can use for blistering outlaps or to make that difficult pass etc. As the RedBulls have a several tenth qualifying advantage it would make sense to have some of that available during the race.

Quote from E.Reiljans :

Try watching Avatar or The Dark Knight (bluray/bluray remux, not 5GB "1080p" rip with bitrate of crappy 720p) on a 46+" LED-LCD (preferably Samsung or Sony BRAVIA). If you still can't see the HUGE difference - there's something weird with your eyes

Edit: tristan, are you sure your 1080p's are from legit sources, or at least high quality unlegit sources? "Home video" made by your average $200 point-and-shoot isn't something that should be used for comparison.

I don't have any non-legit 720/1080 videos, except my onboard racing footage, which I'm not considering here (as it's too wobbly and shit at the moment. I hate GoPro HDs!!!)

720 is plenty on our 48" 1080p TV. No real improvement is visible when using a 1080p source.

I have an iPhone 4 and my girlfriend has a Blackberry (work) and a Desire S (personal).

The Blackberry is simply an awful device. It's like using a phone from the dark ages.
The iPhone might not have every feature or every trick, but what it DOES have just works, works intuitively and doesn't require a degree to make it work.
The Android looks quite nice, but I'm not used to the layout enough to know if I like it.

The open source, everything allowed bit is meaningless to me. If I had an Android, I'd have the same (equivalent) apps on it and use it in the same way for the same things. I just don't get that argument.

Probably the only things I miss on the iPhone are being able to Bluetooth images/videos to other devices, and the lack of a memory card slot. Most other gripes (not complaints, just gripes really) look like they'll be sorted in iOS5.

But too early to tell whether I like/prefer/dislike/hate/love Android yet.

Quote from JPeace :

No, just decent people do.

Decent people don't need to be told to apologise.

I thought only boys and girls below the age of 6 are made to apologise by other people?

A fatarse?! That's a new insult...

You should learn to not quote the ideas of people that don't know anything. Your 'mate' should learn before opening his mouth.