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Quote from DeadWolfBones :Eh, personally I'd like to have the old layout of Westhill updated to the new graphical standard, plus the new layout. (A bit like modern Monza + Monza '66 in Assetto Corsa.) Nothing wrong with being a demanding consumer.

(Not that I'm going to throw a fit when I don't get what I want.)

That's just being greedy! Everyone complain about Ben please.
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Quote from JSHuiting :This is just ridiculous.

Can't you guys just be happy with the update we're getting?

Who, beside you and cargame (who is clearly trolling), is saying they are not happy? Get off your high horse and quit making a big deal out of nothing.
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It makes perfectly fine sense. I actually enjoy watching qualifying now. Just because teams perform retarded strategies doesn't make the idea bad.
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So Eric should be upset because we would like to be able to drive both of his pieces of work, and not just one of them?

If anything, you'd be asking for less, as it takes more time to remove something then to not touch it at all.
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There's sites like this for F1 as well, going as far into the future as 2025.
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http://members.iracing.com/jforum/posts/list/3269526.page

Here we go. Hope to see some good support.
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Quote from Seb66 :did he try and drive the car away at 31 seconds? haha

Yes.

Little spin in the Porsche video. BMW pinched him inside a bit too much (IMO).
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WE1 with GT1 or FO8 was always good fun.
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Quote from Kristi :Will have to wait a full season till that I reckon. But let's hope it will happen soon.

Yep, if all goes to plan, early November.
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Quote from DeadWolfBones :Seat Ibiza VR6.

Try it around Nords. I feel like I'm driving an XFG, possibly better.
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And one more.


Quote :We come back home from Nordschleife bringing back a lot of car data, feedback, videos, pictures and an important partnership that will be unveiled in the next few days. Stay tuned!

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Surprised nobody said anything about the GT86 posted on their FB.
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Quote from Becky Rose :Or: what if - this is just a suggestion - but when the new physics come out alleges will be worthless - maybe that's the time to introduce always on sharing? Would the guys who objected last time be won over by having nothing to loose.

Personally, you have it backwards. New physics mean new setups, people who then build those setups want to hold them (at least on the league side). Most will share, the same it has always been, but when something new comes out everyone swarms on it and hides what they have. It's always been that way, on any sim.
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Quote from Krane :Are chess, rubik's cube, etc, -championships 'arcade'?

Wouldn't that be a "fixed setup" environment? Wouldn't pertain to this situation.

I just want to reiterate the only thing that I'm against is making all setups open to public.
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My bad for posting at 3:45 in the morning.

I'd like just a sky-shot personally. Mainly want to see the final corner and T1/2 for if anything has changed.
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Getting nightmares of AtomAnt suddenly.
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Quote from Matrixi :I thought about the whole private/team skins thing before and I can kinda see your angle regarding private setups from that standpoint. I've created a few team skins throughout the years and it did hurt a bit to see them being ripped from the DDS folder and used by non-members. Atleast those people were easy to identify and ban if they didn't listen to reason, stolen setups can't be identified that easily.

A car setup doesn't have a teams name and website plastered all over it either, so they don't compare in that regard.

In the end, whether it be skins or setups, both shouldn't be open for others to use. They both include a team or an individual's hard work, and if they choose to keep it private, then we should respect that.

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That's the thing, setup theft will be possible, now and always. It can be made more difficult for the hackers with barriers and tricks, but eventually they will get through. That's the nature of programs running on computers.

I completely disagree about Setupfield though. Downloading sets from there in the 05-06 days when I was hotlapping like mad helped a ton. The sets at Setupfield were pretty fresh WR sets, which I then improved and learned all about setups in general. Have people stopped uploading actually used WR sets since then?

I'd take what we have over the open policy that is being suggested. Obviously I'd like for some change in encryption or something to prevent hackers for however long until they produce something again. Reading Scawen's comments it shows that is probably not going to happen, or won't at least give us any benefit. Therefore, people suddenly want everyone's setup folders to be open to all. I don't see how anyone sees that as a solution.

For the Setupfield bit, I always enjoyed loading it up back in 06/07, grabbing setups and hoping they work for me. I remember being in the TBO servers and if track changed I'd hop on there and try to find the most competitive one for the next track. While I could download the hotlap sets and get within a half a second or so of WRs, it still wouldn't be enough. It was rare someone would post their WR setup, more likely they posted a setup that was actually really good and just suited someone else better.
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Quote from Matrixi :If anything, the inflatuated egos are originating from people who aren't willing to share setups. I'd understand the unwillingness a bit better if this was real racing where actual money and fame is involved, but this is sim racing where friendlyness gets you further and results in more fun than being uptight.

See, this is where we will differ. This discussion was already on the iRacing forum and the same type of people emerged (not putting you in this group). Personally, I've seen plenty of people willing to share setups who do leagues, but they don't send exactly what they race. Instead they send something that is a bit more of a base setup. Something that the individual can adjust to their preference. I don't see the issue with that. Should we expect people to willingly share their skins as well? I hope not.

But to me the ego comes from people who believe they will be much better with others' setups, or that everyone having their setup still won't allow for others to beat that individual. Both types of people have been in this thread.

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I fail to see how "arcade" comes in to play with this discussion. There are real life racing series with bog standard cars or with fixed setups. Setupfield also makes your argument for competetive hotlapping and not sharing setups a bit shaky one.

I'm using "arcade" to describe how some people want individual's setups to be public. Whether we have a choice or not, that is something I'd expect from an arcade or simcade game. If it is a racing simulator, then you should be simulated real racing, where the access to everyone's setups aren't exactly possible.

Setupfield doesn't affect hotlapping or league racing in the slightest, unless someone was posting their WR setups. Some of the setups could be competitive, but those people posted their setups on their own, which isn't an issue anyone has.

Quote :League racing. Serious business. No fun allowed.

Some people get fun from the increase in competition, some don't.
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Aren't Steam the ones who dictate the discounts anyway?
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If you want equal opportunities, then ask for fixed setup server ability. Mandatory setup sharing wouldn't give equal opportunities at all, just irritate people who actually put in time to build setups for their team in order to race in leagues.

If people want their ego-fix, they can join a public server that has a fixed setup. They can race with others with "equal opportunities". You know, the people that have the same PC and rig as you, the same wheel rotation, the same h-shifter and clutch use, and obviously car setup.

I believe cargame was using the term "competition" to describe the league environment. For public racing, sure be as arcade as you want with it and be able to freely share setups. But that same mentality should not be in league racing, or in hotlap mode, where the term competition means a bit more.
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Quote from Mackie The Staggie :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7gmbQ8KxM4

Mark Higgins lap around the TT course in a Subaru WRX.

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