Quote from PMD9409 :

Will lotus have an unlimited amount?

actually you might of stuck somthing here, because the boost is lowered to allow the boost to previous standard boost, lotus may not get any restriction on the turbo as a form of engine equalizer.

Randy has been talking about a program to get lotus back on pace.

Quote from JackDaMaster :

[sarcasm]oh no push 2 pass omfg the season is ruined ima boycott it what will be ever do omfg im gonna kill randy bernard[/sarcasm]

Its not as bad as KERS because its like a form of overboost(using previous standard boost)but either way it wasn't even needed, its not going to stop me from watching it thoug, i just liked how up till this point it was pretty much alone when it came to proper racing without gimmicks.

Bad decision imo, its not needed with how good the racing has been.

I was liking the Gimmick free racing so far.

Quote from JackDaMaster :

yep

Taking age aside, if you where an F1 team owner you would be stupid to take franchiiti over Power.

I probably should of ranked them on how they are in indy though if i did that, Dixon and Franchitti i would class as A.

Quote from GreyBull [CHA] :

I don't know, really... I don't like "driver ratings" and this kind of things so much, personally. Each driver have his or her own personnal story, career, and background. Reducting each individual to one single mere grade is not very informative.

One thing that strikes me in particular in your ratings, is the case of Rubens Barrichello and Ed Carpenter. On one side, the 19 years F1 veteran, 40 year old oval newbie Rubens Barrichello. On the other, 2000s IRL golden boy, oval specialist, pack racing lover, driver/owner Ed Carpenter. You can't do much different than the two of them. Yet, nevermind their borderline hyperbolic contrasts, both driver's career, achievements and talents are summed up with the same grade - D.

It's like comparing the climber and the sprinter in cycling. Both still compete against each other, but their difference in terms of background and speciality make any kind of comparison between the two of them almost irrelevant.


But anyway, speaking of grades, here are Robin Miller's and Curt Kavin's takes at mid-season reports.

Its mainly rated from since i watched Indy(around 2008), just now Im more in depth because I actually watched the full season this year(before i wouldn't even know half the drivers)I figured i would of missed out on alot of what they had done in their career though because i never watched IRL(only Cart was ever shown in Australia at the time) so i don't have much knowledge of past performances from there.

Quote from Kid222 :

Mustafur: You forgot Jean Alesi.

Hard to rate someone who only did 1 lap

Quote from CSF :

Just to point this out.......

Hence why i didn't exactly make Bourdais A(despite having probably the best Record in North America, Franchitti isn't F1 worthy(he is good overall on road courses and ovals but not good enough on road courses).

Clearly Barrichello wasn't F1 worthy if he couldn't stay(mostly on current form because i was rating them from an Indy perspective).

Quote from CSF :

A former Formula one winner in Rubens D, shit in F1 Sebby B B

It was mostly rated on how they Drive in indy, not F1.

Quote from Cornys :

What are you trying to say about Charlie Kimball?!

I understand he has got diabetes and all but he is doing terrible for someone who is driving a Ganassi, he has never looked like he had potential despite being more consistent this year.

I was Bored and being mid season of my first year watching indy Fully i made a List of all the drivers and how i rank them from A to F like a school test(A being F1 Worthy, F meaning they shouldn't be in the series)

Note this isn't about just how this season has gone but Overall how i would rate them:

Will Power: A
Ryan Hunter Reay: C
Scott Dixon: B
Helio Castroneves: C
James Hinchcliffe: C(potential A)
Simon Pagenaud: B(A by next year)
Tony Kanaan: C
Dario Franchitti: B
Ryan Briscoe: D
Graham Rahal: C(Potential B)
Justin Wilson: C
Oriol Servia: B
Marco Andretti: D
J.R Hilderbrand: D
Rubens Barrichello: D
Charlie Kimball: E
EJ Viso: D
Takuma Sato: D
Ed Carpenter: D
Alex Tagliani: D
James Jakes: F
Mike Conway: D
Josef Newgarden: C(potential A)
Simona De Silvestro: D
Katherine Legge: F
Sebastian Bourdais: B

Anyone Elses input?

Last edited by Mustafur, Wed, 27 Jun 2012 06:04.

Quote from GreyBull [CHA] :

The analogy with Graham Rahal is tempting, isn't it? Didn't go the "easy way" of racing for dad, but instead, earned his rides the hard way, with sponsor hunting and results. And, although he has his own moments too, he seems to be a more stable, and mature individual than Marco.

Maybe working for another, less fancy team, for someone else than Michael, would help Marco to wake up, indeed...

Graham seems to be able get get himself in Quite good teams too, he started in champcar when he was 18 being Bourdais team mate at Newman Haas.

Now he is in Ganassi after a few years of struggling to get a ride,although i don't think its on the same par as the Target cars(correct me im wrong here).

He is okay on the Ovals but i think Road courses is his strength, but it seems as if he has no luck on his side to translate the pace into Results, last year was a good example where for like 4 races in a row he was competing for Victory untill he got either taken out or screwed under safety car.

I Wish Marco had the urge to move to another team to reinvigerate his career from the early potentional he showed, it could pave way for drivers like Pagenaud to take the seat, Simon really needs a top seat because i think hes right at Powers Driver ability, maybe even better.

If anything Andretti probably has the best overall car this year, when you consider that they always have a guy up the front battling for wins.

Quote from AndreABG :

sure, in a very slow corner Lewis cant go off throttle an take the turn farther away from the apex, absolutely impossible^^
maybe he cant do so without losing the position, but thats the point of racing. And it doesnt matter whos fault it was, Lewis should have known that almost any driver would rejoin the track as fast as possible if he was pushed off and is still in a position to make the overtake - doing this with pastor and expecting to survive the corner is simply stupid. Doesnt matter if he had the right to push him off, nor does it matter that pastor shouldnt have rejoined there, the outcome was clear from the start and the smart move would have been to give up the position instead of going home with no points (Lewis isnt quite in danger of getting a reputation that you can pass him however you want and he will yield...)

Look at the replay, he clearly stretched his braking zone just to make the corner, its not a simple letting go of the throttle, when he only just made the corner.

Quote from CSF :

Well no, look at how Lewis handled Grosjean earlier in the race, he gave plenty of room and both came out ok. Here he didn't, it's like the red mist came down because he was racing Pastor and he had to fight as hard as he expected to be fought.

If you look at the Replay don't think Hamilton could of gave any more room, he came in pretty hard(keep in mind hes tyres where gone at this point too), so did Maldonado.

Pastor should of conceded at this point because only a crash was possible to make the corner, and that is to ignore the fact he had 4 tyres off the track at this point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqhiYXP0KNE

Ambrose was super slow that race, wonder what happened.

Kurt Busch Flew though the field same with Stewart.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100682

Sorry but Your very wrong.

If you think Iowa was Nuts, can't wait to see Toronto.

Just put it this way, if a wall was there or grass Maldonado couldn't of done that, completely different to Grosjeans pass on Hamilton as there was enough room the whole corner.


It's Maldonados Fault.

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

Here we go again, in my opinion Maldonado could have easily backed out and waited another lap, and it seems whenever he hits someone it's deliberate, he makes a decision to make contact rather than over committing or losing control. Having said that, Hamilton could have given him the place and taken 4th knowing how much of an **** Maldonado is, and that's what I expected him to do considering his more cautious approach this season.

But moving on from the idiots, you have to say Alonso is the best driver on the grid, he consistently exceeds expectations and given a better car he would dominate this season.

I have to say that Was without question Alonso's best ever Drive.

Alonso Is the most Complete driver on the grid and he proved it badly today, just pure Skill and Talent put him in that position nothing else.

That was the most Thrilling race i have Ever seen period.

At Valencia of all tracks.

Some very Questionable marshalling by the stewards there, when Vettel retired there should of been a SC IMO.

Wtf!!!!!!!!!

Wtf Vergne

Kobayashi was looking good too, hopefully williams relize senna is talentless and get Bottas in.