Good news for Fisher, ECR have some top guys there who can Make that car rival the the Penske/Ganassi/Antrettis.

Law and Order LFS

I think he isn't stupid enough to believe what he is saying, just playing with the media a bit.

Rossi is clearly the logical choice if going American, or an indy Driver.

But Honestly its not a good time when it comes to American Talent ready for F1.

Quote from CardsetCrazy :

I don't know anything about those races but doesn't they have slick tyres and the road is full of mud? I think it isn't very easy to stop car like that or even turning without doing some oversteer move.

The tyres are grooved, but its still slippery in those cars.

I would say 95% of the blame goes on that guy just for putting himself in that position before you could claim if Tony did on purpose or not.

Regardless it would be quite insane to think Tony would of wanted to hit him, and considering the surface conditions what could you really put it as other then a tragic accident.

As much as it looks bad for Tony, he can't get in too much trouble for this given how stupid the other guy was for putting himself in the dangerious position.

I thought that was done in 2012.

Race 3 was excellent, the racing is soo damn close that the odd tap and run is bound to happen, Unfortunte for Morgan who did excellent all weekend in the Mercedes, Neal had some bad luck with Turkington who shouldn't of got a penalty for that, but I honestly don't like him(Neal) so it didn't bother me lol.

Quote from Fordman :

Oh didn't realise that Troy....Yes they are allowed "slight" movement, just as long they don't cross the timing line, I believe.

I did see that Ginetta race. The commentators said he nailed the start, but that was the worst jump start I have ever seen

Fordie

Yeah, Snetterton Stewards must be past their used by date lol.

You should of seen the Ginetta race there was a clear Jump Start that wasn't penalised.

I always thought they allowed movement in BTCC before the lights went out as long as they don't actually pass the line, because I see this happening basically every race.

Quote from Fordman :

First race was good, what a start from JP..2nd race will be interesting with the added weight...see if he is that quick

Fordie

Oh BTW Live stream on ITV4player

Menu ruined his race by doing a Massa at hockenheim.

MGs are definitely the fastest car here.

Quote from JackDaMaster :

14 different cars to start the season in BTCC. 4 different cars in WTCC TC1...

30 drivers in BTCC.

WTCC cars are too expensive and most of the tracks that they go to are too big (Spa etc) or just crap (Suzuka East, Morocco)

imo WTCC will probably die a slow death unless they pick up something like NGTC

Keep in mind BTCC had to turn a few teams down as they surpassed the limit they can hold for the championship.

Quote from Mysho :

I agree that BTCC has been always better than WTCC, but also WTCC had its golden era around 2006-7 (one example - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keg6sCKbwHE)

And you simply don't see racing like that around Monza, I think those were pretty good times...

What happened is, that there are like 3 types of cars today, not even 15 drivers and 10 out of 15 drivers are factory supported Citroens if you see what I mean.

Even this "new" WTCC could be fun, it just needs more manufactures, more competition for those dominant teams and more drivers. But if I was a touring car driver I'd find all of this in BTCC and that's the main mistake of WTCC imho.

Yeah the formula of what they have just Requires massive budgets to work and thats where it fails, Honda being the Only Factory team thats in both would likely be the key to Holding WTCC up, If they go i would expect them to bolster there BTCC team with said drivers and the rest will likely follow suit.

Wonder if BMW will give some factory backing of some Kind to WSR next season, they are looking good to wrap up both Titles this year and despite the complaints i thibk the RWD isn't that much of an advantage overall, WSR have just made a a Bigger leap then the other front runners this season.

It's not even that fully, the racing from top to bottom is just miles Better in BTCC, WTCC makes you want to fall asleep.

Not only that but they have found a formula that allows the independents to stand a chance and even beat the factory teams, a key thing that makes V8 Supercars soo good as well.

Yeah but if it was, it was definitely a career booster?

I Don't think she did it for those reasons either, but then again Humans have done worse.

This is what it looks like for the other Female driver who unlike Susie has notable skill and talent: http://www.formula1blog.com/wp ... -Simona-Sauber-test-2.jpg

Quite a bit of Sponsorship, yet Susie Wolff the long time DTM backmarker Still dominates the headlines over her, for mysterious reasons.

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Quote from DeadWolfBones :

Whether it helped or not, it doesn't make her a "trollop."

I think regardless of what you think there is a reasonable case(taking hard evidence aside) that its a possibility.

It would certianly come across as such if you explained how she got there.

WTCC should of changed to NGTC spec touring cars instead of this crap, despite what you see i can't see the longetivity in WTCC any more, BTCC as of now Equals it in Driver Quality and surpasses it in Audience by miles.

BTCC is back to the pinnicle of European Touring cars, it's a matter of time before the drivers start leaving in mass.

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Quote from DeadWolfBones :

And where's your evidence that she married him in order to get the test drive? Patronage/nepotism != whoring yourself out for a F1 ride. That's the assumption you're making, and that's why it's sexist.

I don't think she married him to get into F1(that would be quite a daft thing to say), but it's definitely helped.

For instance she carries no notable Sponsorship unlike Simona, so how else is she there?

Quote from tristancliffe :

Indeed. Pastor may have bought his way in to a degree, but he does have wins and championships on his CV. Even if he won it in a weak year, he still won it.

Susie, and I can't stress this enough, HAS NEVER WON A RACE IN A CAR. Persobally, I don't think that's good enough. I've won races in cars (albeit at club level), so maybe Toto should let me drive.

It's not sexism. It's a lack of merit. When a woman wins races and championships on her way to F1 (and not club races!), then I won't care if she married a shareholder or had a massive sponsor buying her drive. That's okay. What's not okay is giving a woman a drive DESPITE her lack of talent.

Yeah Simona De Silvestro whilst not that impressive is significantly higher Grade then Suzie plus she is in the right age bracket.

apart from her there isn't a single female as of now that would be worthy of atleast an F1 backmarker seat.

Quote from mike1158 :

I would like to know how anyone can say Susie Wolff is ten times worse than any driver, let alone Maldonardly. What evidence are you using?

Every season she has ever done is evidence enough.

she was completely backmarker at DTM, her only good season was in Forumula Renault UK where she came 5th but her team mate scored double her and won the title.

Compare that to Maldonado who Won the 2010 Season of GP2, the difference is massive.

Well the First half of the season is dusted and this season has probably been the best since 2003 when it comes to new Talent emerging(Alonso,Kimis real Breakout year).

Ricciardo and Bottas i think have established themselves this year as top drivers, with Ricciardo doing what seemed impossible before the season and consistently beat Vettel to the point its basically unquestionable he is the better driver.

Button and Kimi are surely in there last season unless a big chnage happens, button i think Deserves another season but not sure he will have anywhere to go if Mclaren can him.

Magnussen and Kyvat have been outstanding Rookies this year with both having some quite amazing acheivements, both are still a little raw though so i would expect a next level of performance next season.

Quote from Framaris :

Michael feels like 1000cc are easier to ride than the 600cc, he's also quite tall, so yeah I think he's ready for SBK...for the motogp I don't know, those bikes are very stiff so the learning curve is quite steep, maybe some moto2 could be advisable before it....that is if he decides to go there...but he's a big fan of the sbk tour, so he may stay there for another year or two (though to be ideal Honda should bring a new bike to the market, the one Ten Kate is running is a bit old tech now)...contract time is around the corner, so we'll know soon!

Yeah I think to go from SBK to MotoGP, you should have a season in Moto 2 just for acclimatization, the bikes are very different in those two classes.

Bainchis drive for example involved him destroying Kobayashi's car in a reckless overtake but no one noticed not even the stewards.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Yet he won races in GP2, he's won in F1, he's won in WSR3.5 and F3000. I'm no fan, but there appears to be no logic to the dislike other than panto villain.

I'm not saying he's great, but he isn't awful. He tries too hard, can't control his red mist, and is currently saddled with the worst handling car on the grid. And he's better than Max Chilton...

If he's terrible, the how can anyone like Susie Wolff?

Susie Wolff, is 10 times worse driver then Maldonado, you know why just as much as anyone here why she is even getting a look in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JInezOcF20

Crazy to think Both of these guys are in F1 still racing with the teams that there cars where painted from lol.

Quote from danielroelofs :

Wasnt that much Ricciardo I think. The team tactics gave him a huge advantage over his main rivals. Where as Ferrari's tactics failed there at the same time.

Since FRIC has been banned, you start to see Red Bull being ultra strong on aerodynamics again. That master brain Adrian really does the job very good.

good to see Ferrari being on their way back! Respect for remaining honest to your traditions and accepting the disadvantages you have compared to the others.

Redbull were still a distant 2nd fastest car, ferrari not that much behind, ricciardo still had to pass hamilton who had DRS with a Surpiror engine and thats what won him it, rosberg couldn't do it when he had much fresher tyres then even ricciardo with the mercedes at the end when he had 2 free laps.

Alonso did very good in this race but it did help him that Mercedes went with mediums which really was a bad idea in hindsight for Hamilton, if it wasnt for that Hamilton probably would of won even though he would of had to do another stop.

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