Awesome work, I'm very happy to see that you guys pulled through. I really wish I coulda been there.

Quote from Tomhah :

Dont forget it. Remember it to the next time

I know, I was kidding

Well I definitely learned a beginner's lesson about what happens if you loose focus for even a split second...it's definitely the hardest during the last few laps. Anton and Joe definitely did great though; even with a little bad luck thrown in, we had a solid finish. It was my first ever league start, the nerves were all over the place, but I had fun (except that last lap part...I'll try to forget about that ). We all have a lot to improve on, but we've definitely got a solid base to start from.

Great race guys! Was my first ever league start in any sim game so it was a bit scary at first...but I had a pleasure racing with everyone and can't wait to do it again .

Well I just grabbed a 1 month free trial so I'll be trying it out...but I can tell you all one thing, I won't be buying it till they have a full transmission system. I didn't get a G25 for nothing . At least they're putting efforts towards worthy causes, though I think the actual DRIVING should be completed first...shifting is a core part of driving.

Wow that's a very talent-packed team. Nice work.

Quote from Gil07 :

Where are the Starlite drivers though?

I would drive in TBO and LX servers constantly if there were ever any people in them.

Looks like a nice wheel/pedal setup. A bit pricey for me, though...the G25 is as far as I'm willing to go, price considered. I sure do love mine .

Though I do have one bit of advice...you guys need to find more use for the clutch pedal! Show off some heel-toe or something. I don't think I've ever seen a clutch used on the show. That's lame.

Thank you very much!

Sorry to bump an old thread, but does anybody have the race replay? I've been looking for it but the download links are all down. Thanks!

Thanks guys . I dunno if I've ever practiced so much before in my life! I'm glad to have made such an impression and hope to further my skills to become a staple member of the team.

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Anyway... if you're really into using manual clutch, then use it. I don't understand why there has to be an option to "force" manual clutch (unless you really like racing with only five other people... there are tons of G25 users who never touch the clutch). I always race with manual clutch because I like enjoy the added realism, but I don't get butthurt whenever someone using auto clutch gets past me. It just motivates me to get better at heel-toeing.

+1

Though I honestly don't see the harm of having maybe 2 or 3 (at most) servers where all clutch/h shifter users can go and just race because it's fun to race against people using the same exact setup. The option will not be abused because there simply arent enough clutch/h shifter users to support a lot of servers.

Ah ok, I see what you're saying. I've never had a problem with that, but I can see why some do.

My LFS already automatically changes the steering wheel degree to match each car's specification (G25 wheel). I just have that box ticked and play the game...the incar steering wheel's rotation exactly matches that of my wheel with all different cars without changing the driver settings. Not sure if that's exactly what you guys are talking about though.

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Playing with a keyboard, no matter how many aids, is not an advantage of any kind.

Quote from XCNuse :

It does.. I promise

Riiiiiight. Like how we should ignore common racing technique since it may not be doable in the real life car cause of its pedal spacing?

Quote from XCNuse :

I wouldn't go as far to say it's the best.. It is just what is done nowadays..

Nowadays? It's been done for decades. Show us a better way of doing it, Oh Great One.

Quote from XCNuse :

Hence what I said earlier about force cockpit and its abuse.

I've never had a problem changing view in servers. I always use cockpit view, but i do like to mess around with other views sometimes and have never been specced or kicked because of it. Just the other day, me and some friends tried racing with TV cam.

Quote from XCNuse :

@king you need to end with that fail thing.

You first.

Quote from XCNuse :

Plus what you just said doesn't make any sense really

Exactly...because your ARGUMENT makes no sense!

Quote from XCNuse :

of course I acknowledge it because toe heel is used every day by race drivers.. but what does that have anything to do with autoclutch, that's just the current off topic discussion.

Wow dude, are you really that dense? Race drivers use heel toe because it's the BEST WAY to downshift a manual into the corner. Likewise, LFS drivers use heel toe when given a clutch/h shifter setup! Is it that hard to understand? Why would we be so foolish as to copy what successful race car drivers do in LFS cars because the real life counterparts might not have the correct pedal spacing? :rolleyes: The reason it relates to autoclutch is because autoclutch makes it a lot EASIER to do! Goodness gracious...

Quote from XCNuse :

My argument against it is that not everyone can afford a clutch etc.

Hence why only a minority of servers would have this option on.

Quote from XCNuse :

Yep.. that's the ticket, just what I was looking for.

Good job being 100% counter productive to your argument. :rolleyes:

They were saying that forcing the clutch is to even the playing field since it's tougher to drive taht way. You argue against it, giving stupid reasons and examples (like how "real cars" dont have good pedal spacing for heel toe, despite the fact we're talking about a GAME), then you acknowledge the more difficult technique used when auto clutch is OFF? Fail.

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Quote from XCNuse :

Wow congratulations, once again you throw in a video of a professional driver.

What you don't get is that people like me use the SAME EXACT TECHNIQUE IN LFS!

Quote from XCNuse :

Apparently nothing seeing that forcing a clutch is supposed to make the game more realistic.

I'm not even arguing FOR it, but the idea behind it is to level the playing field. It's a lot tougher/more inconsistent to use clutch/h shifter.

Quote from XCNuse :

When personally my boxers would be brown if I drove my car like I do in LFS on a track.

That's what the game is for.

Quote from XCNuse :

No matter how hard to you try, LFS will never be real nor will any other game..

Exactly, hence why I don't get why you keep bringing up real cars' pedal spacing all the time.

Quote from XCNuse :

Yes okay.. but I'm saying if you got in a car you've never driven, and expected to make record lap times, it's going to take a LONG time, not all cars can trail brake that well.

But no ordinary person would fly into a turn and hope it trail brakes its ass into the apex

Like you said, it takes time.. yes.. that is what I am getting at, in no ordinary situation would you know this. Do you know how much speed you can take your car into a specific turn and expect to trail brake? Do you think you would even have the balls to trail brake your car? I know I wouldn't. Like a normal person you would be going slow the whole time.

Of course this is for the typical person.. who knows, you may do autox or otherwise in which case this doesn't partain but i'm speaking in the case of an ordinary person.

And this has WHAT to do with LFS, where people are SUPPOSED to push the limits of the cars?

Quote from XCNuse :

We aren't talking about the game anymore, we're talking about real cars... genius.

By the way, show me a video of you doing that in a real car and I will say fine, but once again everyone is showing me videos of professional drivers doing their work, I would like to see you do something like that....

Unfortunately for your "real car" argument, good pedal sets for VIDEO GAMES like the ONE THIS FORUM IS ABOUT have pedals SET UP for HEEL TOE. Understand? You think we're going to NOT use heel toe because the car we're driving might not have the exact same pedal spacing? Also, your whole "dont shift until mid turn" idiocy is WRONG, proven in that video. Would you like another video to prove you wrong?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU1N3IERy6k

See how this guy ALSO downshifts through EACH gear BEFORE each turn? I still haven't seen a single driver keep his car in 5th, go mid corner and drop to 2nd. Try that in a sim (I'd love to see you race in GT Legends) and you'll be doing loops in a heartbeat.

Quote from XCNuse :

Not sure about the epic fail part but...

Epic fail because you're WRONG. Show me ONE video of a race car driver NOT downshifting during corner ENTRANCE. Watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klMur6TPkrM

See how he downshifts through EACH gear BEFORE entering the turn? I also dont see a SINGLE mid-turn downshift. Yeah...

Quote from XCNuse :

This forum subsection is for improvements and we are making an argument as to why/why not this option should be implemented

Like I said.. who has an automatic transmission in 'racing' conditions..

The people who play this game with auto shifting/clutch enabled, genius.

Quote from XCNuse :

Yea.. and when are you driving an automatic under "racing conditions"?

This forum is for improvements for the game, no? A RACING game.

Quote from XCNuse :

It goes just like it should, you shift in the deadzone between no braking and no throttle.. it's how it's been going since racing started.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha, epic fail. I've NEVER seen a race car driver do that.

Like I said, TBO cars are good examples of cars that are more stable with heel-toe. Those are normal cars in LFS.

Why are we talking about every day road driving? Has nothing to do with LFS.

Ok wow...I dont think this guy knows anything about what he's talkin about...

Quote from XCNuse :

No car I know of that is automatic involves a clutch.

Oh really?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors ... uckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Clutches are used, just in a different fashion.

Quote from XCNuse :

but nothing bad that I know of could happen unless you let it sit on the surface of the sun until the metal melts, I mean I just don't understand how you could even overheat the liquid to the point where an automatic .. quits working, it takes a specific temperature to run at, and then there are coolers, I suppose if you did restrict the coolers from cooling the transmission .. well you'd have a problem

Without a beefy transmission cooler, it's not hard to overheat an automatic under racing conditions.

Quote from XCNuse :

Really I am rambling because I'm at a loss as to what could happen to an overheated automatic transmission or an overheated transmission at that.

From what I've been reading, you're at a loss for just about everything in this conversation.

Quote from XCNuse :

Okay so I looked it up, if you do overheat an automatic transmission, the connection between the engine and the transmission.. you can't ruin (well.. you could if you took it apart and broke it)

:rolleyes:

Quote from XCNuse :

Whereas in a MT car you have a clutch, in an automatic you have you have what's called a torque converter which is just a disc .. with a bunch of fluid in it.

Thank you Captain Obvious

Quote from XCNuse :

You have yet to prove to me how more efficient a heel toe turn is faster than not.

The argument is that it tends to be SLOWER and less consistent than using an auto/sequential setup...hence the idea for the whole server option to begin with. If you're talking about two manual/clutch cars, one doing heel toe and another not doing heel toe, there's not really a SPEED difference, but heel toe is for keeping the car stable under heavy braking. The guy not using heel toe is more likely to bog/lock the rear wheels. It can happen when driving TBO cars in LFS if you don't get it right.

Quote from XCNuse :

I fail to see again why you would need to shift from for example 5 to 4 to 3 and even to 2.. when you could save yourself, the clutch, the car, and the transmission by braking like a normal person, slowing down, and going from 5 to 2.

Please...PLEASE tell me you're joking. Ok, I tell ya what. Go hop in the XRT and race on Blackwood. Going into turn 1 in 5th gear, brake where you normally brake but don't downshift. Tell me how it goes for you.

Oh and...you need to get a lot more manual transmission experience under your belt in order to be taken seriously in this conversation.

On another note...my laptimes are still as good if not better than many auto/seq users. Not sure why amp apparently has such a huge problem keeping up.

Last edited by kingcars, Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:00.