I just did a bit of testing, could anyone confirm my findings?

Szenario 1: started with 25 laps, changed to 20 laps when leader was in lap 20: -> LFS finished race.
Szenario 2: started with 5 laps, changed to 1 lap when leader was in lap 2: -> LFS did not finish race but continued on with lap counting

The whole problem is: via /laps you can only enter 10 lap differences once the race is more than 100 laps. If we start with 250 laps, the only number of laps that can be entered then is 240. It is very highly unlikely that the ingame leader will have less than 240 once we get to lap 250 of the real leader. So as it looks right now, we need to go with a 6h race.

Okay, we'll need to give that a test somewhen during the weekend, thanks for the comments.

As it looks right now, we will most probably need to change the 1000km races to regular 6h races unless an Insim wizard tells us how to give an external command to wave the race off even before the complete distance is reached.

I was just informed that skin loading may be a problem during driver swapping. Is this the case for just a select few or is it a general issue?

Below you can find the new rules and points. Changes to last season are written bold.

Point: The same in both classes, 40, 34, 29, 25, 22, 19, 16, 14, 12, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1

This means that the 20th car in a class (which is currently not existing), does not receive any points. A GT1 FXR receives a bonus of 10% (rounded up). MoE reserves the right to do the same for the GT2 FZR should racing show it necessary.

The rules are not updated on the website as of now. They will be until the next race, until then, this thread represents the binding rules.

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1. Participantion, Car Restrictions and Invitations
MoE is a team racing series with two separate car classes. Car classes are GT1 and GT2. GT1 class consists of the GTR class in Live for Speed (Patch Y) with only the FZR using a +15kg weight handicap. GT2 class consists of the GTR class restricted in power as follows: FXR 23%, XRR 25% and FZR 20%.

Teams will be invited to race. If a team is interested in racing in MoE, it needs to send an application to (applications 'at' mastersofendurance.eu) after which a invitation my be issued by the organization. Applications must consist of the drivers the teams are planning to employ, the team name and the racing history of the drivers. Teams must also state in which class and with which car they are planning to enter the races. Teams that have not previously raced in MoE need to prove their racing experience in order to receive an invitation.

The organizers can ask the teams or single drivers for proof of their racing capabilities before inviting a team.

2. Number of drivers for a team during a race
During a race, a minimum of 3, a maximum of 4 drivers must race for a team. In the 24h race, a maximum of 6 drivers can race. No driver may race on two different cars during a race weekend. Qualifying sessions are part of a race weekend.

No driver may drive more than 45% of the race. This number is calculated by the number of laps covered by the winning team. Any fractional amount of laps will be rounded up to a full number of laps. The admins give an estimate of that number before the race. All laps driven by the respective driver that exceed the 45% or the estimate, whichever is higher, will be deducted from the team's total laps.

3. Driver Names and Swaps
Driver names must show the car class and the team number of the driver and must show the real name of the driver. Classes are distinguished by different colors of the team numbers. GT1 uses blue and GT2 uses red. The name must be white. Example:

GT1: 10 – P. Kempermann
GT2: 10 – P. Kempermann

Driver swaps can be timed freely. However, a driver may only join the server when the car he wants to swap into is in the last sector of the race track. The driver leaving the car must leave the server immediately.


4. Racing Modus

* Qualifying
In the week before a race on Sunday and Friday nights at 21:00 CET (summertime when applicable) qualifying sessions of one hour will be held. Teams can run an unlimited amount of laps during these sessions, but may only have one car on the track at all times. The fastest lap of the team counts for the starting positions.

* Racing
The racing will be timed, either 6, 12 or 24h. 6h races start at noon, 12h races at 10:00 (10am) and 24h at 16:00 (4pm). All times CET (summertime when applicable).

5. Scoring
* In order to be scored, a team must cross the finish line after the full race time or distance has expired and the leader has been waved off.

* If a team is disconnected from the server, they may rejoin and start racing again. Their number of completed laps will be recorded by the organizers and they will be added up in the end and scored accordingly.

* If a team is stranded on the track due to running out of fuel, an accident or other reasons, they may use Shift-P and restart the race. In that case, a penalty of 1 lap will be added to their overall time.

4. Points
Points will be given as follows:
(see above)

In the 24h-race the points will be doubled.

5. Skins
All teams must have their own, individual racing livery. If a single racing team submits two or more cars to the MoE, the racing liveries of these cars must be significantly different. The racing livery must be fitted with the teams’ assigned number on the sides, hood and rear bumper. The real names (no nicknames) of the team’s drivers must be listed on the car in a readable way; the names must be accompanied by a flag of the nationalities of all drivers.

MoE can require all teams to fit their cars with number plates, sunstrips and car markings which are provided by MoE.

Racing liveries must be submitted to the MoE admins for rendering puposes.

6. Starting Procedure
Flying start in double file formation. A pace car will lead the field during a formation lap at a decent speed. Drivers are to run single file until the last sector, when the pace car slows its speed to allow drivers to catch up and line up in the double file formation. When the pace car pulls into the pits, the leader continues at 80km/h. A race marshall will give the green flag signal upon which the race is on. Passing must not be done before the green flag is given.

A car that loses its grid position during the formation lap because of a spin, empty tank or any other situation, regardless of the cause, cannot regain its grid position. It must start from the back.

A car not paying respect to double file formation can be assessed a drivethrough penalty.

7. Penalties
Penalties will be given during the race in form of a drive through or stop and go penalty. Teams must appeal to the organizers immediately upon which the race marshals will analyse the situation and rule a verdict.
If the accident happens in the last hour of the race, instead of a stop and go or drive through penalty, the penalty will be 45s or 30s added to the overall race time of the team in doubt.

Incidents between the GT1 and GT2 classes and/or incidents resulting out of gross negligence of a driver can be penalized by a deduction of 1 – 5 laps on top of the penalty normally given

Should one car cause another car to lose its grid position during the formation lap, a penalty in form of a drive through or stop and go can be given.

Appeals filed later than one hour after the stint of the driver who feels victim of the accident will not be accepted.

Appeals must be filed via a form provided for it and include a replay of the scene.

The admins can rule upon an accident without an appeal being filed.

10. Miscellaneous
No chatting during the race or qualifying. If a driver chats, a drive through penalty will be assessed by the race marshals. If a driver chats during qualifying, a 1s penalty on the best time of the team will be assessed for each chat line. Messages must not be blocked.

No excessive honking. If excessive honking is used, a drive through penalty will be assessed by the race marshals.

When the race is finished, it is prohibited to drive another lap. After you have crossed the line, gently slow down and come to a standstill after T1.

Last edited by Tweaker, Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:04.

Why do you need someone from the other team in IRC? I mean, if they arent there and don't apologize, just file a complaint. There is nothing evil in that, it's actually good racing manors instead of discussing the incident over and over.

We don't want to take penalties till after the race because it is very hard to find a just penalty. The lap differences between cars are hard to assess while thinking about penalties and getting it to a decent result.

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o what about the overtaking stuff etc... Will it be taken in consideration for the next race or??

If you read my post #35, you'd know...but I'll quote it again for you:

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On the issue og GT1/GT2 collissions: how should we do an automatic review? That would involve having the same number of admins on the server as GT2 cars in order to see when a GT2 car is hit by a GT1 car. Not doable, sorry. We do review everything (within the time limit) that is brought forward to us by the way of a complaint. We have done so in the past and will continue to do so and we said we will strictly punish drivers in both classes who simply do not pay attention or think they own the track. Teams that think they were treated wrongly simply need to file a complaint.

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I simply forgot to update the points so far. And of course, they will be updated regarding a 20 car grid in GT1 and the GT2 grid.

On the issue og GT1/GT2 collissions: how should we do an automatic review? That would involve having the same number of admins on the server as GT2 cars in order to see when a GT2 car is hit by a GT1 car. Not doable, sorry. We do review everything (within the time limit) that is brought forward to us by the way of a complaint. We have done so in the past and will continue to do so and we said we will strictly punish drivers in both classes who simply do not pay attention or think they own the track. Teams that think they were treated wrongly simply need to file a complaint.

The website is my personal biggest gripe as well. So many ideas and so little time to put it into effect, but we do have it on our agenda. A news editor (not the technical means, but a person) would be nice to have, too, as in someone to write the news posts, put in some pictures, gathering some background info.

Congrats to everyone and especially of course to Mercury and Core. And I like Clownpaint's statement that he thinks two class racing worked out better than he originally thought.

For SO Long we will have full coverage again, streaming, spectator and so on. Sorry it didn't work yesterday, we had some manpower problems due to which not everything was up to the usual standard. Will improve for the next race, I promise.

All teams have nominated their drivers. We are closing the nominations for now, changes can only be done in emergencies.

First post updated.

Missing nominations: #6 POD and #18 Bandelnet.

Please turn in nominations ASAP.

Just as information from the admin side: yes, you can have non-team-members in the car, as long as we know about them (tracker stuff) and they did and will not race in another car during the specific race.

They are absolutely fine for now. You don't need to use a number plate on the front and back, just on the side (once they are finished, for right now you dont need one at all).

Pls see this thread for all further info.

After all the discussions about cutting AND checking the replay intensiveley, we have decided to declare the first qualifying session for void. Almost all times in the quali have been achieved by cutting, a situation we simply cannot approve. Tomorrow night's session will be the only one counting for the race.

If for any reason a team cannot participate in tomorrow's session, it can present to us a clean lap from Sunday's session which will be taken into the grid order then.

On the cutting itself: pls see attached image for finding out what is allowed and what is not. That should settle the issue. We will enforce this strictly in qualifying. In the race we are aware that concentration might be an issue, so we will carefully look at whether an advantage is gained or not. However, if you blatantly cut, there will be strict penalties. For the last corner the same as for the left hander of the chicane applies.

First post updated. Pls hurry up posting your nominations we need to have them asap.

The thing is with all this cutting discussions is that there is no absolute answer. It's pretty easy with the first part of the chicane (the left hander) where especially the FZR has no negative consequence whatsoever out of being where it's not supposed to be. The right hander however is not quite as easy, as it has the sand there. The sand slows down the car and makes tires dirty which can lead to a slower overall time. Therefore a picture of the left hand part can make everything quite clear, the right hand side needs a little more information. What we really want to avoid is actually not the cutting, but gaining an advantage out of it. So if with cutting the overall sector time is slower than it would be by the same driver without cutting, no harm done and no penalty. That is the way it is handled in real life racing as well, as most of you probably know and it is a reasonable assessment to go with.

Again: if in doubt, don't. If you are not sure wether you are legal or not, adjust the line in a way that you are. Yes, I know, we all are racing drivers and we all want to find the fastest way around. I am no different when I am sitting in a car. But here right now I do want to see moving action, either with a from behind or a heli view to have a final word.

Tweak and I are admins. I said seems valid since I'd rather see all this in motion. But there is a simple way of solving all this: If in doubt, don't.

The no cut is for the race as well. Your screenshots seem valid. We will have a 2nd quali session anyways, so no need to hold a "new" quali. If folks cut there again, we will simply have them starting at the back, won't we?

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Will everyone who took such a line be punished accordingly?

Yes.

Unfortunately, we have bad news on this issue. Our painting department had unforseen real life issues coming up which could not be worked around. We will not be able to finish the stuff in time, so you can freely design the cars for the 12h.

Of course we encourage you to put numbers on the cars but if you think due to the fact that the skins won't be final, you can also leave them out.

Regarding your first post: no, it's not valid. The curb is the checkered part, the green area is not curb anymore. If you check the tire marks, which you mentioned, you will realise they are over the curb, not next to it, with quite a substantial amount still being on the tarmac. Drive that line and you're fine.

Regarding the pictures in your second post: both times there are at least two wheels on (or in the air over) the curb, so these would be valid.

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Also, remember that it is a risk to take to drive over there, but that's also the only way we actually could give the xrr's any competition.

For two years, the FZR was head over heels ahead of the XRR and now it for once is a little different (which we have not even seen substantial evidence over a race distance yet) and you start complaining? Quite comical.

Well, you had the misfortune of sitting on pole. I made it clear that cutting is not allowed before quali started. The opportunity to report themselves is given since it saves us time while at the same time still being fair to all others since a non-cut lap will be accepted in such cases. Would you really have come forward with the statement it was a cut lap? Except for SK, so far no one has done so and I do not expect your team and SK to be only ones that did cut the fast chicane and/or the last chicane.

Pls remember that you cannot use more than 4 drivers in any race except the 24h. It's fine to nominate more, just don't make your plans thinking of using more than 4.