Back on topic . . . . .
I noticed reading the patch thread that Scawen obvioulsy has some drivetrain updates to implement. My case in point. He mentioned the FXO specifically saying that it will benefit from a sequential box. Now, whether or not this is true and is a definate implementation, my point about LFS not being finished stands. At this moment in time Scawen has very defined benchmarks to work from. He can add in improvements and physics updates and get tried and trusted results from cars that he knows. Start rebalancing to make things more competative and you loose that base line. He has differnent examples of car construction and they provide valuable resources in themselves. It's entirley possible that Scawen is addressing this, as in some ways you are right, because the customer base is crying out for it. But I feel that it would be counter productive.
I don't see anyone complain that there is only one F1 car, or only one Formula V8 or only one Formula Ford. Surely these should have different chassis, different engines. But what would happen if you placed a Ferrari-esk and a Minardi-esk car into the F1 series. Would you still be asking for balancing? I wouldn't have thought so. But by your arguements the Minardi should be balanced to be competative with the Ferrari.
The cars are what the cars are. I am sure that by the time LFS comes to final release the cars will be more than adequatly balanced.
I noticed reading the patch thread that Scawen obvioulsy has some drivetrain updates to implement. My case in point. He mentioned the FXO specifically saying that it will benefit from a sequential box. Now, whether or not this is true and is a definate implementation, my point about LFS not being finished stands. At this moment in time Scawen has very defined benchmarks to work from. He can add in improvements and physics updates and get tried and trusted results from cars that he knows. Start rebalancing to make things more competative and you loose that base line. He has differnent examples of car construction and they provide valuable resources in themselves. It's entirley possible that Scawen is addressing this, as in some ways you are right, because the customer base is crying out for it. But I feel that it would be counter productive.
I don't see anyone complain that there is only one F1 car, or only one Formula V8 or only one Formula Ford. Surely these should have different chassis, different engines. But what would happen if you placed a Ferrari-esk and a Minardi-esk car into the F1 series. Would you still be asking for balancing? I wouldn't have thought so. But by your arguements the Minardi should be balanced to be competative with the Ferrari.
The cars are what the cars are. I am sure that by the time LFS comes to final release the cars will be more than adequatly balanced.
Because I feel a have valid and current thoughts and ideas about LFS. And I am offereing an alternative opinion to the current topic.
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No. I think diversity is a wonderful thing.
And I'm sure there are great things in store for the LFS racing community but at the moment the cars are fullfilling their design brief.
We don't know whats coming. Maybe we will get another car, maybe Lord Scawen hears out prayers and that in the next patch there will be an update. Maybe he has a very good reason for holding back and not balancing.
Hell. Who are we to question the maker.
And I'm sure there are great things in store for the LFS racing community but at the moment the cars are fullfilling their design brief.
We don't know whats coming. Maybe we will get another car, maybe Lord Scawen hears out prayers and that in the next patch there will be an update. Maybe he has a very good reason for holding back and not balancing.
Hell. Who are we to question the maker.
So much for the support of the community . . . .
I've just been reading the stats on the Website for the GT cars and to be fair The Devs make no bones about the fact the cars are unbalanced. In fact they positivily embrace it.
The FXO is the beginner GT. It ain't going to win races (Their words)
The XRR is better and faster.
But the FZR is better and faster still.
Having read all that I realised that these cars are designed to be this way. Which harks back to my point that they are different cars. Which is the whole point. The FXO was never meant to be competative as it's a stepping stone to the faster GT's.
Which again leads me too that if you want a fair race go one make. I really don't see the problem in doind that and why this percieved unbalanced car thing is such a contested topic . . .
The FXO is the beginner GT. It ain't going to win races (Their words)
The XRR is better and faster.
But the FZR is better and faster still.
Having read all that I realised that these cars are designed to be this way. Which harks back to my point that they are different cars. Which is the whole point. The FXO was never meant to be competative as it's a stepping stone to the faster GT's.
Which again leads me too that if you want a fair race go one make. I really don't see the problem in doind that and why this percieved unbalanced car thing is such a contested topic . . .
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Anyone know of, or can host or is on a good blog.
I know nothing of these matters but am kinda looking for a repository for my incessent ramblings.
Particularilt the host bit. I'd much rather stay within the community.
Any info and advice gratefully recieved.
I know nothing of these matters but am kinda looking for a repository for my incessent ramblings.
Particularilt the host bit. I'd much rather stay within the community.
Any info and advice gratefully recieved.
I was only being physi . . . Fisciou . . . .Fsis . . . Rude.
Nowhere near enough sympathy. Try harder!
And I will still stand by my single make series point. I'm sure balancing will be addressed but why do it before all attributes have been placed on the cars.
For example. The TBO get balanced but then benefits massivly from any Diff/Clutch/Transmission update. It then outstrips everything. So it needs to be rebalanced.
Untill everything is in place how can you balance the cars effectivily.
Now, saying that. If a ballast system was introduced for competitions and the like then fair enough. Thats server, race rules. Got no beef there.
Its the fundemental changing of a cars attributes just to bring a class into line . . . In real life 4WD is not a track racing standard. Why, because it is slower. The TBO is slower . . . Although in the lower class it is the fastest but that feels right to me . . . . I think.
I dunno. I think whinging over car discrepancies at this stage of development is a bit like saying the house is cold when your still building.
Many more things are to come and the cars will not have a 'final' performance state untill these updates are fully implemented.
For example. The TBO get balanced but then benefits massivly from any Diff/Clutch/Transmission update. It then outstrips everything. So it needs to be rebalanced.
Untill everything is in place how can you balance the cars effectivily.
Now, saying that. If a ballast system was introduced for competitions and the like then fair enough. Thats server, race rules. Got no beef there.
Its the fundemental changing of a cars attributes just to bring a class into line . . . In real life 4WD is not a track racing standard. Why, because it is slower. The TBO is slower . . . Although in the lower class it is the fastest but that feels right to me . . . . I think.
I dunno. I think whinging over car discrepancies at this stage of development is a bit like saying the house is cold when your still building.
Many more things are to come and the cars will not have a 'final' performance state untill these updates are fully implemented.
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Yep. And considerate. Kind, caring. I listen, I think and I'm tactful. I'm just an all round good egg.
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Thus points could well be very valid. But they are different cars. If you want a fair race then run a single make series.
Yes. The TBO is a slower car and yes the XRR will never get up to speed with the FZR but . . . . . so?
If you want to be competative race an FZR. In real life what car dominates the GT2 classes. Come on, you all know the answer. Every other car is one. Yes, thats it. The Porsche 911. It dominates because it is a good, fast, race car. It's how things are.
And you don't want to be balancing the classes to much now anyway. LFS is far from finished. Once engine management, airo, ground effect and any number of other improvements are implemented then the car attributes will change anyway. You might find that in a few years time that the XRR is the car of choice because of the improvements to the engine makes the XRR the better car to have. Then it will be the FZR drivers that are moaning about how slow the FZR is.
Again, class balancing is wasted effort atm. There is no point untill there is a final product that the cars can be balanced too.
Yes. The TBO is a slower car and yes the XRR will never get up to speed with the FZR but . . . . . so?
If you want to be competative race an FZR. In real life what car dominates the GT2 classes. Come on, you all know the answer. Every other car is one. Yes, thats it. The Porsche 911. It dominates because it is a good, fast, race car. It's how things are.
And you don't want to be balancing the classes to much now anyway. LFS is far from finished. Once engine management, airo, ground effect and any number of other improvements are implemented then the car attributes will change anyway. You might find that in a few years time that the XRR is the car of choice because of the improvements to the engine makes the XRR the better car to have. Then it will be the FZR drivers that are moaning about how slow the FZR is.
Again, class balancing is wasted effort atm. There is no point untill there is a final product that the cars can be balanced too.
Sweet. That is such a nice pattination. How are you finishing the body? Or is that it? And looking at it, it looks like you running the strings through the body. Is that a style/sound choice or a practical consideration?
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Lot's.
Damn gay men. Damn my cuteness and adorability. Why can't my charm, wit and intelligence work on members of the opposite sex for a change.
Head hurts . . . . . . . .
Lot's.
-Edit- Oh and weather . . . Bright with some cloud. Possiblilty of showers later.
THE GENERAL SYNOPSIS AT 0100
ATLANTIC LOW 990 MOVING STEADILY NORTHEAST, EXPECTED 100 MILES WEST
OF BAILEY 992 BY 0100 TOMORROW
THE AREA FORECASTS FOR THE NEXT 24 HOURS
VIKING NORTH UTSIRE SOUTH UTSIRE
SOUTHWEST BACKING SOUTH 4 OR 5, VEERING WEST FOR A TIME. RAIN OR
SHOWERS. MODERATE OR GOOD
FORTIES CROMARTY FORTH TYNE
SOUTH 4 OR 5, VEERING WEST FOR A TIME. SHOWERS, BUT RAIN FOR A TIME.
MODERATE OR GOOD
DOGGER
SOUTH 5 OR 6, VEERING WEST FOR A TIME, OCCASIONALLY 4 IN NORTH.
OCCASIONAL RAIN. MODERATE OR GOOD, BECOMING POOR AT TIMES
FISHER GERMAN BIGHT
WESTERLY 4 OR 5, INCREASING 6 AT TIMES, BACKING SOUTHERLY FOR A TIME.
RAIN OR SHOWERS. MODERATE OR GOOD
HUMBER THAMES DOVER WIGHT PORTLAND PLYMOUTH
SOUTHWEST 4 OR 5, INCREASING 6 AT TIMES. RAIN OR DRIZZLE, BECOMING
FAIR FOR A TIME. GOOD, BECOMING MODERATE OR POOR AT TIMES
BISCAY
EASTERLY 4, BUT 5 OR 6 AT TIMES IN SOUTHWEST. FAIR. GOOD
SOUTH FITZROY
NORTHERLY 4 OR 5, BUT EASTERLY 6 FOR A TIME IN EAST. MAINLY FAIR.
GOOD
NORTH FITZROY SOLE LUNDY FASTNET IRISH SEA SHANNON
SOUTH VEERING SOUTHWEST 5 TO 7, PERHAPS GALE 8 LATER IN SOLE LUNDY
FASNET AND IRISH SEA. RAIN THEN SHOWERS. MODERATE OR GOOD, BUT POOR
IN RAIN
ROCKALL
SOUTH VEERING WEST OR SOUTHWEST 5 TO 7. SHOWERS. GOOD
MALIN
SOUTH 4 OR 5, OCCASIONALLY 6 LATER. RAIN THEN SHOWERS. MODERATE OR
POOR BECOMING GOOD
HEBRIDES BAILEY
EASTERLY 6 AT FIRST IN NORTH, OTHERWISE SOUTHERLY 4 OR 5,
OCCASIONALLY 6 LATER. RAIN OR SHOWERS. MODERATE OR GOOD
FAIR ISLE
SOUTHEAST VEERING SOUTH OR SOUTHWEST 4 OR 5, OCCASIONALLY 6 AT FIRST
IN WEST. RAIN AT TIMES. MODERATE OR GOOD, OCCASIONALLY POOR LATER
FAEROES SOUTHEAST ICELAND
VARIABLE 4 AT FIRST IN NORTH, OTHERWISE EASTERLY 5 OR 6, VEERING
SOUTHEASTERLY 4 OR 5 LATER IN FAEROES. RAIN AT TIMES. MODERATE OR
GOOD, OCCASIONALLY POOR LATER
Lot's.
Damn gay men. Damn my cuteness and adorability. Why can't my charm, wit and intelligence work on members of the opposite sex for a change.
Head hurts . . . . . . . .
Lot's.
-Edit- Oh and weather . . . Bright with some cloud. Possiblilty of showers later.
THE GENERAL SYNOPSIS AT 0100
ATLANTIC LOW 990 MOVING STEADILY NORTHEAST, EXPECTED 100 MILES WEST
OF BAILEY 992 BY 0100 TOMORROW
THE AREA FORECASTS FOR THE NEXT 24 HOURS
VIKING NORTH UTSIRE SOUTH UTSIRE
SOUTHWEST BACKING SOUTH 4 OR 5, VEERING WEST FOR A TIME. RAIN OR
SHOWERS. MODERATE OR GOOD
FORTIES CROMARTY FORTH TYNE
SOUTH 4 OR 5, VEERING WEST FOR A TIME. SHOWERS, BUT RAIN FOR A TIME.
MODERATE OR GOOD
DOGGER
SOUTH 5 OR 6, VEERING WEST FOR A TIME, OCCASIONALLY 4 IN NORTH.
OCCASIONAL RAIN. MODERATE OR GOOD, BECOMING POOR AT TIMES
FISHER GERMAN BIGHT
WESTERLY 4 OR 5, INCREASING 6 AT TIMES, BACKING SOUTHERLY FOR A TIME.
RAIN OR SHOWERS. MODERATE OR GOOD
HUMBER THAMES DOVER WIGHT PORTLAND PLYMOUTH
SOUTHWEST 4 OR 5, INCREASING 6 AT TIMES. RAIN OR DRIZZLE, BECOMING
FAIR FOR A TIME. GOOD, BECOMING MODERATE OR POOR AT TIMES
BISCAY
EASTERLY 4, BUT 5 OR 6 AT TIMES IN SOUTHWEST. FAIR. GOOD
SOUTH FITZROY
NORTHERLY 4 OR 5, BUT EASTERLY 6 FOR A TIME IN EAST. MAINLY FAIR.
GOOD
NORTH FITZROY SOLE LUNDY FASTNET IRISH SEA SHANNON
SOUTH VEERING SOUTHWEST 5 TO 7, PERHAPS GALE 8 LATER IN SOLE LUNDY
FASNET AND IRISH SEA. RAIN THEN SHOWERS. MODERATE OR GOOD, BUT POOR
IN RAIN
ROCKALL
SOUTH VEERING WEST OR SOUTHWEST 5 TO 7. SHOWERS. GOOD
MALIN
SOUTH 4 OR 5, OCCASIONALLY 6 LATER. RAIN THEN SHOWERS. MODERATE OR
POOR BECOMING GOOD
HEBRIDES BAILEY
EASTERLY 6 AT FIRST IN NORTH, OTHERWISE SOUTHERLY 4 OR 5,
OCCASIONALLY 6 LATER. RAIN OR SHOWERS. MODERATE OR GOOD
FAIR ISLE
SOUTHEAST VEERING SOUTH OR SOUTHWEST 4 OR 5, OCCASIONALLY 6 AT FIRST
IN WEST. RAIN AT TIMES. MODERATE OR GOOD, OCCASIONALLY POOR LATER
FAEROES SOUTHEAST ICELAND
VARIABLE 4 AT FIRST IN NORTH, OTHERWISE EASTERLY 5 OR 6, VEERING
SOUTHEASTERLY 4 OR 5 LATER IN FAEROES. RAIN AT TIMES. MODERATE OR
GOOD, OCCASIONALLY POOR LATER
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XRR - Madeline.
FXO - Brian.
FZR - Big Bum.
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I don't have anything against gay men (No really. I don't.) particularily when they buy me guiness all night. I have been drinkin from six this evening untill now. All paid for by a gay man. Great. I did tell him'mate I'm striaght'. And he sed, we'll see when your drunk. Ok then, I sed. I'm drunk now. Still straight. Some poeple never listen.
I don't have anything against gay men (No really. I don't.) particularily when they buy me guiness all night. I have been drinkin from six this evening untill now. All paid for by a gay man. Great. I did tell him'mate I'm striaght'. And he sed, we'll see when your drunk. Ok then, I sed. I'm drunk now. Still straight. Some poeple never listen.
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