Thank you guys so far, I updated the original post.
Still have to go through pricing though.

Please give more feedback especialy on your experience with various peripherals (KB/mouse driving, steering wheels compatibility), driving "feel" etc.

Please contribute to your community. I'm especially looking for information that you can't just google, i.e. personal experience, pros and cons, opinions...

LFS - free content-limited demo / S1 license (more cars/tracks) £12 / S2 license (even more cars/tracks) £24
+ development in progress - working on new tyre physics and game content
+ fully compatible with G25 and most other peripherals
+ low system requirements, basic but very functional graphics and sound, fery flexible gfx/audio engine and controls
+ good multiplayer but racing sometimes ruined by idiots and trolls on free demo servers, also most servers are located around EU (high pings from overseas *)
+ quick and easy pickup races
- outdated graphical engine

rFactor 2
+ lots of mods to choose from
- need to have correct mod(s) for different servers

simraceway

Project CARS

Assetto Corsa

iRacing
- difficult quickly pick-up a race *
+ good global multiplayer performance *

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I express my appreciation for the devs by not criticising them.
I also thank all the others that do likewise.

I can't come but still appreciate the effort and community building event.

Enjoy the sausage fest guys and share some pics and stories afterwards.

Outdated as it might be, it is still interesting to watch. I wanted to just click it through as I do with porn but I actually ended up watching the whole damn thing.

As for you guys starting the never-ending development discussion again, I say that Scawen is not just developing tyre physics. He is developing a platform, because on those tyre physics (which will be more versatile than now), he can build new suspension types, maybe flexible body physics, weather conditions etc. Now, you'd have to program a new type of simulation for wet track. With the new tyre physics, he'd just set amount_of_water_on_track_polygon = 1.2l and off you go aquaplanning. But don't quote me on that
You need the best possible platform to build success on it.

Quote from The Moose :

More than enough evidence presented already thanks. If i were a judge i'd have convicted him.

Of course, he could be another of those licensed drivers that "forgot" to log in with their other forum account

Dude I wish I could argue with you about this, but I'm gonna get laid instead.

Edit: And sorry for OT. I believe that the car handling will actually change with the new tyre model, because that's actually Scawen's motivation to work on the new physics. He isn't satisfied with the handling of the current model. I don't know how much it will influence FOX but hey, maybe you will like it even more.

Quote from The Moose :

If people are going to crack a game, best not make it obvious on said games official forum

And you better save your sarcastic accusations for when you have some evidence

Has anybody heard of this?

http://www.oovee.co.uk/games/upcoming-games/spin-tires/

Features:

• Deformable terrain
  
• Interactive foilage
  
• Interactive water simulation.
  
• A collection of heavy-duty vehicles with life-like physics and dynamic chassis parts that wil react to any situation.
  
• Toggle head lights
  

I hope the devs will make this into a full-grown game. I see myself spending hours (and money) on this.

How is this related to the simulator? Please go somewhere else with your bull****.

Pros:

• Got a mahoosive raise
• Did everything at work better than anyone else
• Finally started writing articles again
• Found a new gf who is awesome
• Redesigned my web
• Made many new relationships (IRL)
• My skin illness improved very much
• Gained weight
• Enjoyed the life very much
  

Cons:

• Still didn't start going to the gym
• Wasted almost all of my money away on life
• Still haven't had sex with twins on the rooftop of a skyscraper
  

Quote from ShannonN :

I normally don't bother to post anymore, coming here every few weeks or months to see what's up, never get online as other things take precedence and I've lost any small amount of skill I once did

But I do wish the impossibly difficult type physics would get done and released. We know Scawen is a perfectionist, so will he be battering his head up against the wall for the next 100 years trying to get theses physics 100 % right before we get to see em?

Perfection cannot be achieved, so we have a dilemma, at what point does Scawen get close enough to realise it's an infinite work, like getting these physics 100 % won't happen cause of infinitesimal variations etc. I think it's like calculating the value of PI to it's absolute end it cannot be done within a reasonable time period.

I'm not whining or having a go at Scawen and his quest for the best he can give, I admire that, but at some point the poor man is going to burn out or have a nervous breakdown and we won't get anything?

Ok. Scawen, I know you're out there watching . Can we encourage you to make a decision to accept the physics you have done at a reasonable percentage of perfect (95%) ???? and release all the delayed stuff and content and move on to getting those AI to enter and leave pits without crashing and clogging the lanes I need the AI to practice with as my wireless connection sux.

Cheers Shannon

I think you are right and that's the reason why we still don't have the tyre physics update. Scawen, the perfectionist that he is, still didn't get to the final digit of Pi, hence his tyre physics calculations are still not precise enough.

Just 3.14 the sumbitch ffs!

Mine says POWER!

Quote from tristancliffe :

The AI needs to be upgraded from terrible to acceptable. This is not achieved by random animations that play based on proximity to the player. It needs traffic that might actually behave like traffic, at a density one might find in a city. It needs accidents caused by avoiding you result in the drivers getting out and exchanging details. It means have police that actually behave like police, rather then letting you kill people, carjack and drive like a loon, but then giving you 3 stars of wanted from something not very unlawful.

We've had all these crappy elements for 10 years. I'm sure PCs and consoles are a lot better now, but all the processing power is spent putting smoke on exhausts and (rather nice, admittedly) clouds morphing in the sky.

You sound like a type of person who would enjoy playing a bureaucracy simulator I doubt it would be as much fun if you'd have to spend 10 minutes of mission time sitting in a traffic jam.

More realistic AI does not have to necessarily mean better AI for the purposes of this game. When I'm starting up GTA IV, that's because I want to run over hobos with an SUV while watching the stupid pig-cops crash into each other during a car-chase. I don't want to be picked-off buy one police sniper sitting on a helicopter after the first 10 seconds.

I suggest using these for better enjoyment of the next GTA installment. :P

Quote from dynofiend :

Cos the engine sound you hear in the cabin is usually a combination of engine noise, exhaust note and induction noise, which you cant really pick up with a mic in the engine bay..

You probably didn't get the point.

Quote from MAGGOT :

Just saw this posted up on Autoblog. Apparently the new 2012 BMW M5 has some kind of engine sound played through the stereo of the car. Not sure exactly what to think of it (I guess it depends on the motives/needs for such a system?) but its brings me to a question:

They claim it gives a perfect audible indication of the engine load. Obviously that is not possible with pre-recorded engine samples (as most of the hardcore racers here know). Do you think their system uses an on-the-fly generation system akin to LFS? If so, do you think their system will provide a better, more detailed and realistic sounding experience than what LFS offers?

In the event that this is some kind of proprietary generation system, what are the chances you think that some of the research could find its way into other consumer outlets (LFS, for instance)?

Why do you have to simulate engine noise, when you can just put a mic into the engine bay?

Currently reading Sun Tzu's The Art of War.
Some wrestling books before that and some old school sci-fi.

Can I use Google+ to find new "friends" based on their A/S/L?

Quote from BlueFlame :

Kind of a fail, because, Milkyway, Snickers, Bounty, Galaxy and M&M's I know for sure are MARS.

Nestlé are Kitkat and Milkybar, but only two Cadburys stuff there By numbers alone, there are more Mars products there than Cadbury's OR Nestlé..

I'm guessing the article was in one of those semi-dirty Mens magazines that builders with their arse hanging out of their pants read, because it's clearly a piss-poor article.

Dude, you should get laid or at least drunk to ease up a bit.

For the many laughs that I had thanks to this thread, I now return the favor to the community. Please appreciate all the work that goes into embedding all the f***ing images, 'cause it's really annoying. Now...Enjoy!

Done in MS Paint in 500 hours.

How about creating clutch curves for each car.
X axis = pedal pressure
Y axis = clutch engagement

Quote from wpthayer :

I have had LFS for a long time and thought I would try again with this new version. Question, I only have one car and see no optiions for any other.
What am I missing. I love everything about this new version, except for the fact that I only see one car. Thanks for any help. Bill Thayer

LFS get's "locked" back to demo after each update. Unlock your S2 version in LFS. Main menu -> bottom right (IIRC).

Technically, there is no protection. But it's your work and should be protected by the copyright laws of some country (your's maybe or England's since LFS is a British product).
Complaining here won't help you. Take advantage of your legal system. Find out the identity of the demo-player and take him to court and ask for the damages to be paid/settled (if you have definitive proof that he did it).

In other words: There is nothing you can do about it, but masturbating usually relieves the anger and tension.

At least they took it like real men and didn't try to weasel out of the situation by blaming everybody around them.

Echo a unique string after each suspicious line of code to see where the program stops. Or echo the important variables at various point to work as "watches" for values.