Quote from Racer X NZ :

Owww, so lets talk Ukraine.

Let's talk Brownshirts shall we, as some of you don't think they exist.

No problemo
Russian Brownshirt, ViceSpeaker of Russian Parliament, just sent official proposition using official parliament stationery to Foreign Ministers of Poland, Hungary and Romania to cooperate in further Anschluss of Ukraine and take some parts. I just wonder why he didn't receive answer that we take Russian Koenigsberg (Kaliningrad), for sure, thank you very much.
http://euromaidanpr.wordpress. ... stry-lets-divide-ukraine/

There are many very, very close resemblances to Hitler's propaganda during the period of Anschluss of Austria and Czechs with almost the same epithets for the opposing the Anschluss.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1001641/pg1

What else do you want?
Extermination of Right Sector, because they exist?

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Quote from Blas89 :

Well, you're gonna have to wait until someone tries to remotely record these tiny signals and decode them as these guys are doing, before jumping into any surveillance theory.

I think it is not science-fiction now.
Just political fiction.

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Quote from Racer X NZ :

Just for Racer Y
Ask and it shall be given, have fun !
http://www.nucleardarkness.org/nucle...sionsimulator/

Yeah... I like this nuke simulator. I'm not going after other countries with it. I'm just using it along my work commute route and pretending it works.

I remember this one:
http://www.missilecommand.com/arcade.php
I can remember that vintage cabinet till today (now I would like to have it as furniture )
And we can thank the end of Cold War 1 for that gameplay

I wonder if you heard about Audeo: http://computer.howstuffworks.com/audeo1.htm
This is new way for disabled people to operate tool using brain impulses to the throat:
The Audeo is based on the idea that neurological signals sent from the brain to the throat area to initiate speech still get there even if the spinal cord is damaged or the motor neurons and muscles in the throat no longer work properly. Thus, even if you can't form understandable words, neurological signals that represent the intended speech exist. This is known as subvocal speech. Everyone performs subvocal speech -- if you think a word or sentence without saying it out loud, your brain still sends the signals to your mouth and throat.

It gives enormous possibilities for disabled, but also can be ultimate tool for interrogation. If it can be done remotely you can achieve ultimate surveillance tool...
Now the question is - would it create New World Order with minds controlling reality, or rather new totalitarian thought controlling system.

I am quite pessimistic - I come from communist country where communists surveilled everything and everyone. I don't rreally believe they now do not while you don't have to hack voice message box - you just need to know right person in telekom to get converstations of person you are interested in.

So... the science for progress of... what?

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Quote from CSF :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new ... issue-red-high-heels.html

meh, I'm less bothered now.

Regardng Crimea's name whole government should be consisting of hustlers and callgirls

http://www.globalplanesearch.c ... ;lsl=4&hsl=7&rs=0

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Google translate: Kosovo is a country of Serbia

Well, fine. I completely fail to see what point your making. The West has already decided that they ( Kosovo) are dealing their drugs/females/etc. That's what made that (their independence from Serbia) decision ok, and the Crimea's completely unacceptable, as their not.........

And Russia is stealing the IMF's money. Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, both who want to go Russian, if they do, then there goes 70% of the IMF, olegarchs money.
AND the US won't get Russia out of their ports, AND that will mean they still support Syria. AND, AND, AND........

The difference is: Serbian military were killing thousands of Kosovians while there was no sign of any hostile acts at Crimea. Furthermore, now Ukrainians and Tatars are murdered in Crimea by "self-defence" forces.
In Syria there is regime using heavy military force to change city districts into pile of ruins.

IT IS THAT simple.

Quote from E.Reiljans :

So how come Poland decided not to join Soviet Union after World War II?

Poland? I don't think it was Poland's decision (btw. whole general command and several ministries where Russians with Polish names in 1945)
After IIWW borders moved thouands of kilometers west, it wasn't Poland's decision where they would be. We had 3 uprisisals after the IIWW till 1989' when Soviet block collapsed.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

I don't know how old you are but I certainly remember the last one and have no desire to repeat the experiment.

I remember Cold War as Reagan's SDI bringing USSR to defeat, which in this situation is perfect kind of sanctions affecting mostly military sector.

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And Tymoshenko being jailed ? What a suprise. What's her nickname, 'the gas princess' ? And, yes, Yanukovych was just as much a criminal as she was.

Hah, I didn't know gas negotiations is a reason to jail someone
The reason there was strictly political, and as always there, extremely ruthless. She got rid of RosUkrEnergo, russian-ukrainian joint venture which is an intimediary in gas deals (in Poland also similar - EuroPolGaz), getting kind of bakshish. The price for this was higher price of gas... But then was persecution.
This is how ruthless are bandit regimes there.

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But let’s, for the sake of argument, examine what corruption means in Ukrainian terms. In the mid-1990s a friend living in Odessa asked me what I thought of his country’s prospects. I said it seemed to me that building on the foundations of the time – stagflation, ubiquitous mafia activity, dire infrastructure, astronomical fiscal crime – was like trying to fill a rusty bath full of holes. He shook his head. “It is worse,” he said. “We are an open house which is being looted while the people who live in it watch.”

GREAT, now you get it!
The turn back from Russia was the way for Ukrainians to escape from this corruption-driven oligarch economy type to transform into more legal and lawful of european type.

But the main rule in Soviet/Russia area is: NATION CANNOT DECIDE to set free from Russia. It can "decide" to join Russia but not the other way.

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Quote from Racer X NZ :

Do try reading my posts ! I've already posted about Russia's neonazi groups and their stands.
FYI, they don't like Putin.

Please get the message - Putin is nazicommunist.


Maybe I can get you a little bit in realities of postcommunism and why it needs new Second Cold War.

Postcommunist apartheid is what makes situation so violent.
You have situation when everything people do gets political - political affiliations decide if you get job in administration, if that administration let you run your business or if you get contract from that administration. When there are couple groups, like in Ukraine, every election can be matter of life and death (what you can see in cases of Yushchenko, poisoned during election campaign, or Tymoshenko who got jailed). When there is one party of power (like One Russia) it is classical apartheid example.

Furthermore, economy is also deeply affected by this evolved communist organization - supply/demand laws are put aside, and neverending dream of driven economy persists: economy driven by administration, corruption or... algorithms.
I can give example, maybe quite interesting for ppl here - about used cars deals. Recently I have purchased/sold/scrapped 4 cars in 2 weeks. I did it so quickly because I didn't bother with "proffessional valuation of used car" (enforced on market mostly for insurance purpose) but I negotiated based on that to meet my and buyer/seller goals. Meanwhile all used car dealers have full stock of cars waiting for sale for a year or more with "proffessional valuation of used car" prices with which they loose value by 5% a year just standing in the garage. And instead of minimizing losses giving reasonable price they wait for... salvation??? The only viable explanation is that thay buy scrap, prepare it blink for sale and off you go...

Summarizing - it just DOESN'T WORK.
Hand-driven economy doesn't work.
Apartheid-type organization creates violent conflicts.
I would give it a go to scrapyard
So my advice for Atlantic Alliance to say: NAZICOMMIES, GET THE FCUK OUT!

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SIEG HAIL! SIEG HAIL!
SIEG HAIL! SIEG HAIL! SIEG HAIL!


People march in formation as they participate in the "Brotherhood and Civil Resistance March" in Moscow

http://www.theguardian.com/wor ... -5324378de4b091b75db16d80

This march was organized by party One Russia (At the XIII Congress of the Party May 26, 2012, Dmitry Medvedev was elected chairman of the United Russia - "Yedinaya Rassiya"= "One/Only Russia") and All-Russia People's Front (On 12 June 2013 Putin was elected its leader).

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Quote from Racer X NZ :

Well DOH, your hardly likely to ever get that. You need to learn to read around the propoganda, you get some information from one source, confirmed indirectly from another source, which then means the information from a third source becomes clearer.

I prefer direct sources

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz7cqjiPtdY

Quote from [RF]-art555 :

Searching for true information in a time of full scale information war, yeah, good luck.

It is kind of funny because this is what it is

The Crimea situation reminds what was the long historical tradition over there.
In XVII-XVIII centuries those areas were called Wild Fields. Something like Wild Wild West. Anyone who wanted to escape from law verdict could run into Wild Fields - they achieved status of Crimens (outlaws) so anybody who would meet them could execute the verdict (kill them).

It looks that this is how origin of rising Crimea state and Crimen nation appears now - it is made by former Berkut (anticrowd armed police forces) officers, now creating self-defence forces of Crimea, who ran from Ukraine where they would be persecuted for mass murder in Maidan. The agreement that Yanukovych was to sign with opposition would have broken the main rule of postcommunistic apartheid - they were to be untouched for this.
Now all this bullsh!t propaganda is not that surprising while Crimens are hard not to be called unhumans as they value everything that is unhumane - beginning from lies about reality, ending on lack on responsibility for murder. Well, I don't predict there that it create Aussie kind of state - quite decent country as for former prisoners It would be rather next state ruled by state terror as other examples of new Russia sattelites.

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Quote from ACCAkut :

Belgium seems closer in size ... but actually I didn't think thats Crimea is that big (even tho I saw that Top Gear episode )

Sorry, I used old data.
Russia now has GDP size of Italy not Netherlands (oil went higher)... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product
Not to mention GDP per capita...

Quote from Racer X NZ :

In a parlamentry democracy, a vote of no confidence, carried out freely by the parlament is the generally accepted way to deal with a situation of removing a prime minister or president. I am completely unaware of a free vote being carried out in this case.

And this is exactly how it went.
Yanukovych agreed to sign settlement with opposition with road plan for next year. But he didnt sign it and flew to Russia. Therefore he was impeached by parliament - ALSO by his OWN PARTY which assumed him untrustworthy.

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Having a bunch of neonazi's threaten people till they do what they are told to doesn't really fit my above description.

Oh, did I say neo nazi's ? I realise you don't like that, so, let's take a definition from the EU in 2012, before they decided that they were sweet loving people who would sell the Ukraine people to the bankers.

I really don't get it that you take all this propaganda provided by these people:
12% in Duma, Russian parliament, ultranationalists from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDPR_(political_party)
Zhirinovsky: Yanukovych remains Ukrainian president
Russian Nationalist Zhirinovsk ... d by Crowds in Sevastopol

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Quote from Racer X NZ :

So, under Ukraine law, how legal is the current Junta ?
Are any changes to Ukraine law actually legal if they are made by an illegal Junta ?

And, given the current illegal nature of the present Ukraine govt,

The parliament of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea has sent an official invitation to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) to send a mission to observe the referendum on the region’s future, slated for March 16.

STOP THAT SHITTY PROPAGANDA!

What Junta???
Ukrainian constitution is legally voted constitution and it requires whole country to vote for change of borders.
Ukrainian parliament is legally chosen in free elections.
Impeachment is legal way of throwing off unlawful president.
Both Party of Regions (former party of Yanukovych) and opposition voted for impeachment of president Yanukovych, who cannot perform his duties staying abroad. Yanukovych claims to be president although there are no political parties nor armed forces to stand behind him (except Russians).
Chairman of Rada Verkchovna Turchynov is legal president in spe.

OSCE observers are trying SECOND WEEK to get into Crimea but are repeatedly turned down by armed forces of Crimea (so called Crimean self-defense... from several regions of Russia).


RACER - one advice when you try to discuss Eastern Europe. Forget about any ideology. It DOESNT MATTER. If cosmic UFO ideology could legitimate imperial domination of postsoviet nets it WOULD BE USED. It doesnt matter what ideology.
And frankly speaking... manace empire with economy size of Netherlands... come-on!!!

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guess what happened next?

Quote from Racer X NZ :

And the refusal to accept a referendium by the people of the Crimea, is interesting.

Robert McCorquodale, professor of international law and human rights at the University of Nottingham, attempts to parse the legality of the situation, arguing that whether or not a declaration of independence or merging is valid in international law is determined both “by the actions of the state within whose borders the people live; and the responses of the international community.”

By these standards, he argues that while Crimea is well within its rights to hold an independence referendum, Russia had no legal right to intervene on Ukrainian territory given that there was no evidence that Ukraine was oppressing the region by force.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the ... dependence_movements.html

By strict legal standards - it is illegal because it is against Ukraine's law.
By historical standards - as I told you, the only locals are Crimean Tatars. Crimean Russians historically are visitors.
By human rights legitimization - if Russia had no right to intervene due to lack of evidence of Ukrainian oppresion... then we can call what Crimea does with one word - traitors!

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Yes, looney conspiracy bankers stuff, by rights I should be agreeing with the Junta now in power in the Ukraine, for all their neo nazi stuff they get close.............

I just find it amusing that they are now supporting all they hate.

Isn't history fun. :google:

Not really.
I am coming from country which had in 89' $40 billion of foreign debt (unmaneagable, and followed by writting off), 4 digits inflation (out of control) and tax budget deficit (out of control). In such situation of scarce of everything the only thing country could sell was its future as promise of future growth to earn on. I don't know what you know about economy but scarce times means losses for investors. The only thing to earn is big scale bargain on equity wen you can profit a lot short-term.

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And this is an interesting read, who do the Ukraine richlist people back...... ?
(When their not trying to avoid being arrested for their crimes. Move to the West guys......)
http://www.theguardian.com/wor ... re-they-which-side-are-on

And here you can see the collapse of that short-term profit privatization model - those oligarchs, mostly from power net of postcommunists, earned cosmic lot on cheap bargain without modernization of what they purchased/grabbed. So they are like big landlords with noone really to share with for economic success.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Good, but I think you may have missed a few.

No, I mentioned about: few. Three out of 26 in the new government.
It isn't even proportional to their involvement in Maidan - Parubiy was chief of security of Maidan which wasn't pacified by Berkut.

And about Berkut...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz7cqjiPtdY
It is not the hunting rifle in the boot.

And this is why Russian people in Crimea call "fascists" and will vote to separate from Ukraine, against those who weren't fought by armed Berkut. This is how they fear of the people that weren't fought by Berkut.

In fact it is hard to say what they vote for?

There is no such nation as Crims... Crimeans... Crimians...? There isn't and never was. There were Crimean Tatars, rellocated to Siberia by Stalin... and with this "referendum" they can loose their country for the second time... looks like to nation of Criminals.


...meanwhile... Russian fascist, Vladimir Zhirinovsky is winding up crowds in Ukraine http://indiatoday.intoday.in/s ... -sevastopol/1/346231.html He is VICEPRESIDENT of DUMA as leader of LDPR with 56 representatives (12%).
I wonder how on earth Poland with EU still didn't invade Koenigsberg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad ? - we could easily prevent it from Russian fascism.

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Quote from Racer X NZ :

And the above above video of the US supported neo nazi's lecturing Rigio about how they will vote was just a difficult fact that should be ignored ?

I don't know, Racer, if you know nothing about soviet/postcommunistic propaganda... or on contrary, you are well trained...
I can list you "fascist" Ukrainians:
- Arsenij Yatseniuk, Yulia Tymoschenko (Batkivshchinna party)
- Leonid Kuchma, Rinat Akhmetov (Party of Regions - former party of former resident Yanukovych impeached by them also)
- Vitaliy Klitschko (UDAR party)

Accusations of "fascist menace" is like soviet psychiatry term of "symptomless schizophrenia" used for dissidents (political oppositon to system was sign of mental disorder). It can be used for any opposition.
It is quite disturbing because Russian fascist Vladimir Zhirinovsky, member of Russian parliament, was active during antiUkrainian campaign much louder than few of "Right Sector" on Maydan.
And as you can see it is quite dangerous when it can legitimate military assault on another country. Or can be alleged reason of assault on opposition or president - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2 ... sh_Air_Force_Tu-154_crash

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This photo is from pre-nazi times when right hand salute was way of pledging to American flag and constitution. It was changed to hand on heart after nazi coup in Germany.

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Quote from -NightFly- :

Is it manually removed frames in movie editing or synced shutter?
like here:

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Quote from ImudilaSkyline :

I really am - one went kayaking thru Atlantic. Twice.
Second robbed banks in afroamerican mask. For years.
I am proud

for trying to bury wife alive... also that's something... (we need smiles from mems)

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Check out the Ukraine thread dude.

here in Poland we have direct sources from Ukraina.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Racer, I didn't know your preffered values are shooting weapons to demonstrators and traiting for annexation to another country.

You gotta had bowls in XIXth century to use it

Quote from BigPeBe :

keep dreaming

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