Article 40.7 of the F1 sporting regulations states:
Any car being driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or which is deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers at any time whilst the safety car is deployed will be reported to the stewards. This will apply whether any such car is being driven on the track, the pit entry or the pit lane.
I'm no race steward and my judgement could be far from correct, but if someone drove like Hamilton behind the safety car I'd just think "what the hell", or, as Vettel said, that Hamilton was retiring. He was, in my opinion, dangerous to other drivers since he was confusing racers behind him.
Edit: just as a curiosity, does anyone know if FIA can gather some information about the exact positions of the cars during a race at any given time? GPS, at least to my knowledge, isn't that precise, but it sounds decidedly odd that FIA had to rely upon an amateur video... no positioning system, no cctv, no metrics whatsoever. A bit strange if you ask me (not strange, ridiculous
).
Any car being driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or which is deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers at any time whilst the safety car is deployed will be reported to the stewards. This will apply whether any such car is being driven on the track, the pit entry or the pit lane.
I'm no race steward and my judgement could be far from correct, but if someone drove like Hamilton behind the safety car I'd just think "what the hell", or, as Vettel said, that Hamilton was retiring. He was, in my opinion, dangerous to other drivers since he was confusing racers behind him.
Edit: just as a curiosity, does anyone know if FIA can gather some information about the exact positions of the cars during a race at any given time? GPS, at least to my knowledge, isn't that precise, but it sounds decidedly odd that FIA had to rely upon an amateur video... no positioning system, no cctv, no metrics whatsoever. A bit strange if you ask me (not strange, ridiculous
).
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That's what I meant saying the situation is getting more ridiculous by the day.
What separates the comical side from the ridiculous one is the quality of laughing. It's just like a bad joke: you don't laugh about the joke, you laugh about the people telling it. For me it's quite an unsettling laughter.
Because this could at the same time virtually reopen the championship, put Hamilton in a position where his driving skills should be demonstrated and could keep spectators' interest alive till the last Grand Prix. The show must go on, and it must be interesting!
So, if the investigation concludes Hamilton is guilty, we can expect him to have the same penalisation that Vettel has been subjected to, or worse. Or will Vettel and Hamilton share both guilt and punishment, with 5 positions each? Will Hamilton lose any points? I'm not placing a bet on anything, FIA's behaviour is so erratic that I cannot absolutely have any kind of expectation.
Hamilton is currently under investigation by FIA for his behaviour under SC regime, according to La Repubblica. Apparently FIA acquired the video on YouTube as new evidence against him for the Vettel/Webber accident.
Everything gets more and more ridiculous by the day. As I already said, I don't think FIA is biased towards any particular team but there are enough good reasons to believe their decisions are more interested in business than in sports.
Edit:Piece of news present also in the official F1 site.
Everything gets more and more ridiculous by the day. As I already said, I don't think FIA is biased towards any particular team but there are enough good reasons to believe their decisions are more interested in business than in sports.
Edit:Piece of news present also in the official F1 site.
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It was a hazard. We will never know if that strategy could have paid. That's because I'm quite irritated, because as a spectator I've been robbed of something.
Most people seem to think that FIA is pro-Ferrari in one way or another, but I don't think that's fair. This year we had clumsy decisions in presence of hard evidence (already been debated elsewhere extensively, but let's just remind all lawyers within FIA council wanted to remove driver's points, but they were in a minority) and this blunder. Both decisions were - at the end - unfavourable to Ferrari.
Maybe the truth is that FIA is unable to handle the complexity of his job without making big mistakes because of sheer incompetence and the will to preserve the show despite hard evidence for political/business reasons. And incompetence has no bias.
No, article 25 says this:
e) Prior to the start of the qualifying practice session wet and extreme-weather tyres may only be used after the track has been declared wet by the race director, following which extreme, wet or dryweather tyres may be used for the remainder of the session.
Anyway this doesn't change the fact that since Ferrari wasn't correctly communicated the rule change, the rules effectively were not the same for all teams, and I thought sports was about competing fairly within a well specified set of rules...
This may be highly probable but we can't know because Ferrari was forced to change tyres. Instead, what's certain at this point is that they were forced to change tyres because of an error someone else did. I won't barter a certainty for a high probability.
Calling them idiots for their strategy won't change the fact that some other moron didn't allow them to have a fair race, and commenting like Haug did shows a huge ignorance, a clear lack of sportsmanship and an enormous resentment.
From F1-news:
The FIA, meanwhile, is believed to have apologised to Ferrari after an email detailing the tyre rule change did not arrive in time.
Ferrari was particularly upset that, as is often the case, the important information was displayed neither on the official pit wall monitors, or via a pitlane courier who - under article 15.1 of the sporting regulations - requires a signature verifying receipt.
So we know who the morons really are.
Edit: and I include Haug for what he said in his comment he still hasn't retracted.
The FIA, meanwhile, is believed to have apologised to Ferrari after an email detailing the tyre rule change did not arrive in time.
Ferrari was particularly upset that, as is often the case, the important information was displayed neither on the official pit wall monitors, or via a pitlane courier who - under article 15.1 of the sporting regulations - requires a signature verifying receipt.
So we know who the morons really are.
Edit: and I include Haug for what he said in his comment he still hasn't retracted.
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Let's say Ferrari is unexcusable for having tried a stunt that is better suited to a team like Spyker, and probably the result of the race wouldn't have changed.
Anyway Haug's words about what happened sound just as stupid as Ferrari's stunt. Ferrari claims that the email arrived 7 minutes after the race start, in Domenicali's box. Now, if only someone wanted the whole truth to come out, it would be easy comparing the timestamps of various servers (you just need to take a look at SMTP headers and logs of servers). Delays in delivery are nothing new, and I'd really like to get my hands on the various machines involved to understand who really screwed up things, if it was Ferrari checking the email too late without any other means of knowing this rule change, or if it was an email that was really sent or arrived too late.
This sounds really, really strange, and completely unprofessional. Anyone working in the computer business knows emails are reliable only under specified conditions, so somewhere in the chain someone failed to check something extremely important and screwed up things; but without knowing exactly what happened the only real (and heavy) guilt Ferrari has is having chosen a suicidal tactic.
I understood, and agree completely. Maybe some people have just a different understanding and acceptance of the limitations imposed by the limited input and - especially - output capabilities of a sim when compared to reality. But you put it in a much better way.
So, both Glock's and Heidfeld's points of view may be perfectly valid at the same time, because they may observe different things.
I don't think so, I'm able to appreciate the differences in resistance, so I knew perfectly I risked locking wheels, but anyway failed to avoid it for lack of sensibility and precision, since the movement I apply to the clutch of a normal car is completely different from the one I apply to the brake and the accelerator.
I think that, in my case, this is primarily due to the fact that each foot is used to handle those different pressures and the brain has been trained to apply the correct signals, and it does so automatically when you have a long term practice.
To a certain degree it happens also when you drive a car you're not used to: you need a bit of time to adapt the forces you apply to pedals which need a different sensibility. The more you switch cars, the faster you adapt.
I'm used to left-foot braking on my G25, I can calibrate the pressure fairly well, and I was able to do it - although with much more difficulty - also with Momo black.
As for real life driving, I tried left-foot braking just for the fun of it. Although I thought I could manage it fairly well applying what I thought was a gentle pressure, I instantly locked wheels. The sensibility developed in each foot is completely different, and it differs also from the force applied while sim-racing.
Curiously enough, I'm not able to brake well with my right foot in LFS...
I hope you are sincere. There's no need to forgive you right now, as long as you accept to be treated as an adult. Your future actions will speak for yourself.
Edit: I regret a particular thing, the way I treated your music. That could well be what I think but that's not important: my opinion doesn't mean anything, having written such stuff just disqualifies me, not you or your work. I'm sorry that I used such an offensive and ridiculous expression.
You could say the same about me recording streams, falling rocks and burning fires, but I wouldn't mind. These are things that I do for my pleasure and to appreciate what I see from a different point of view. I have fun in the process, it's not important for other people to appreciate them, as long as I do.
Edit: I regret a particular thing, the way I treated your music. That could well be what I think but that's not important: my opinion doesn't mean anything, having written such stuff just disqualifies me, not you or your work. I'm sorry that I used such an offensive and ridiculous expression.
You could say the same about me recording streams, falling rocks and burning fires, but I wouldn't mind. These are things that I do for my pleasure and to appreciate what I see from a different point of view. I have fun in the process, it's not important for other people to appreciate them, as long as I do.
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I'll end this stupid quarrel on my side with this:
Sometimes you feel real old, older than you are. Check the aches and pains, the hairline, the demands of life. Responsibilities, responsibilities. Worse things have happened to all of us; the circus wasn't as good as you though it would be, the movie stunk, etc., etc....
Punching the clock, punching the wall, hating your boss. You can't go if you don't know, and you can't know if you don't go. And everybody in the world has their own song in their heads. The best songs ever. Problem is figuring a way to get them out and present them to others.
You've got to know where the brakes are. Enjoy life at a realistic pace. You crazy youngsters, what with your nightlife and everything. And it's important to trust other people, while putting stock in yourself as well. Revaluating your priorities, checking yourself daily.
Not everyone is a victim of circumstance; conversely, nobody should feel like a martyr all the time. Problem? It's hard enough to communicate these days; some of us don't even get the chance. Some others don't know they have a chance.
When you travel frequently, you find a lot of images. And sometimes, you have to try and make the best of a bad situation: more often than not, we grin and bear it. Other times, you learn to enjoy some small facet of your predicament. Nothing too elaborate, just an attempt to adjust priorities. Revolution starts at home, preferably in the bathroom mirror.
Example? Winter always comes too soon. This year was the worst I can remember, except when I was five years old. Pushed open the front door, got lost in the snow.
(Liner notes of Warehouse: songs and stories, probably written by Bob Mould)
Sometimes you feel real old, older than you are. Check the aches and pains, the hairline, the demands of life. Responsibilities, responsibilities. Worse things have happened to all of us; the circus wasn't as good as you though it would be, the movie stunk, etc., etc....
Punching the clock, punching the wall, hating your boss. You can't go if you don't know, and you can't know if you don't go. And everybody in the world has their own song in their heads. The best songs ever. Problem is figuring a way to get them out and present them to others.
You've got to know where the brakes are. Enjoy life at a realistic pace. You crazy youngsters, what with your nightlife and everything. And it's important to trust other people, while putting stock in yourself as well. Revaluating your priorities, checking yourself daily.
Not everyone is a victim of circumstance; conversely, nobody should feel like a martyr all the time. Problem? It's hard enough to communicate these days; some of us don't even get the chance. Some others don't know they have a chance.
When you travel frequently, you find a lot of images. And sometimes, you have to try and make the best of a bad situation: more often than not, we grin and bear it. Other times, you learn to enjoy some small facet of your predicament. Nothing too elaborate, just an attempt to adjust priorities. Revolution starts at home, preferably in the bathroom mirror.
Example? Winter always comes too soon. This year was the worst I can remember, except when I was five years old. Pushed open the front door, got lost in the snow.
(Liner notes of Warehouse: songs and stories, probably written by Bob Mould)
You're a liar and an offensive idiot. I can talk about that stuff easily because these are things I've accepted, and I'm open about it. They don't keep me from having a satisfactory life, except when I meet morons like you.
Oh, music... IDM, Techno (but not the kind of brainless shit you're making with Fruityloops) , Contemporary, Alternative Rock, Punk, Hardcore. Too much to mention. On my decks I have Zauberberg by Gas and Flip Your Whig by Husker Du at the moment.
Oh, music... IDM, Techno (but not the kind of brainless shit you're making with Fruityloops) , Contemporary, Alternative Rock, Punk, Hardcore. Too much to mention. On my decks I have Zauberberg by Gas and Flip Your Whig by Husker Du at the moment.
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I'm sorry to have to answer again and eat up the words I said, but I didn't bring issues of the past here. I'm referring to what you wrote here. You're a just a liar.
I've had guns pointed at me, my house has been robbed by some Albanians, my car has been stolen too, I've been close to death four times in my life, found the corpse of my father one day after he was dead, I've destroyed a door with my shoulder to drag a very close relative out of a WC where she was committing suicide and my best friend is an ex inmate who knows more about life than what you can say you have learned up till now. These are just but a few of the bad things that happened or happen in my life. I won't mention all the others. Not everything is pleasant, but I accept it. I won't listen to your spoiled brat stories. They are nothing new to me. Don't talk about life as if you were the only one to be hurt. The only difference between me and you is that I don't think my sufferings authorise me to offend other people. Learn to respect others, and maybe you'll get some respect.
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For the reference to S3, sure enough.
If it was S2, it would just be misleading from what I understand, not false. Whether misleading advertising is illegal or not varies from Country to Country.
Edit: for instance such advertising in Italy would be considered illegal because it's considered dolus malus and not dolus bonus: you can magnificate the qualities of your product, but you cannot do it with a malign intent. The intent of the advertiser is clearly to mislead, so it would considered malign.
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Simple: the WAN settings don't have to be configured for some ISPs. Some providers don't even bother about authentication, so PPP CHAP/PAP username and passwords can be what you like. Less hassle for the provider, less hassle for the users. And for the LAN, you have DHCP already there.
I'm not so sorry to be unconstructive for you, BlueFlame. The only two unconstructive things for me now would be answering again to a person who has such a low reputation and drifting the thread further off topic with completely uninteresting, selfish and offensive thoughts, as you've been doing in the first place.
This thread was about Heidfeld playing LFS, but I think few people have to complain about it being a serene discussion about why people generally uninterested in being a real life race driver like racing in LFS, but since there's nothing serene in what you write, there's no point in answering to you.
And if someone complained to me because I'm answering to a person with such a bad reputation, I'd understand. So I'll shut up for good and let you spit your hatred until someone else who deems you irrelevant or irritating will answer. Welcome to my virtual ignore list. Good job, Mr Constructive.
This thread was about Heidfeld playing LFS, but I think few people have to complain about it being a serene discussion about why people generally uninterested in being a real life race driver like racing in LFS, but since there's nothing serene in what you write, there's no point in answering to you.
And if someone complained to me because I'm answering to a person with such a bad reputation, I'd understand. So I'll shut up for good and let you spit your hatred until someone else who deems you irrelevant or irritating will answer. Welcome to my virtual ignore list. Good job, Mr Constructive.
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Unfortunately an essay is something else, to be good generally it has to have some logic in it, it has to be written in an understandable way for its intended public, and it shouldn't contain mistakes. For those reasons I'll spare you an analysis of what you wrote. Since you don't like dissections of your writings, I hope you'll be more than happy.
Leper? In my eyes you're able to appreciate something for what it is and what it gives to you without considering it a forced replacement for something you miss, since you don't miss it.
If you're a leper, you're a lucky, happy and wise one. Something that generally couldn't be said of other real or virtual lepers.
Edit: Boris, I also play and enjoy Trackmania, which is as close to reality as a Salvador Dali painting. I play it for different reasons. But as for LFS, I immediately liked the effort of simulating something which isn't real (I refer to most cars and to all tracks), but struggles to be as close as possible to reality. NFS is unsatisfactory in that respect: it's neither fish nor flesh. It's not informational about reality and that makes it closer to Trackmania than to LFS. Most simmers who don't strive for doing something in real life love the informational aspects of sims. There's nothing strange in it. That's why some people likes to play hardcore sims instead of arcades where reality is only a surface that gives absolutely no clue about how stuff really works. In this (and not only in this) I'm with Kev and Xaotik. I guess that Scawen had to learn a lot of things coding LFS, I learn a lot of things just playing it, and I'm happy with it. Moreover I drive decidedly better since I play LFS, and that's something that helps me in my real life, although I never race or drive at the limit when I'm on a real road. Could you say the same about NFS?
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No, I'm not scared, I've done some dangerous things in my life, although I'm old enough not to do dangerous stuff at the moment. I don't care that much about my life, I don't have a deep survival instinct, but I'm 36 and a lot of people would suffer if I did something stupid, but I'm not scared, just responsible.Paradoxically I'd fly a plane and sooner or later I'll learn to do it, and not in a sim, but I'll have to do it when my mom is dead and only if my girlfriend is by my side. We've always thought it would be romantic to die together, so that wouldn't be a problem. Definitely, it's not fear.
Edit: a cousin of mine was a pilot of Frecce Tricolori. He died in the Netherlands a lot of time ago for an engine failure, so he decided to crash in a safe spot instead of ejecting over a crowd. He always loved speedy cars and planes. That never scared me. His name was PierGianni Petri, he died in 1979. My father was in the Italian Air Force and I live in Udine, which is near Rivolto, base of Frecce Tricolori. when Piergianni died I lived in Villafranca di Verona near the military airport, home of 3° Stormo. Planes don't fascinate me, flying does.
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Why would you want to understand such things? Whenever I try to understand why someone wants to be a real life racer, I find their reasons irrilevant for me... Fame, money, women, love of cars, competitivity...
None of these things is good enough for me to want to be a real life racer. But I like the additional immaterial layer of virtual reality when it comes to something I'm only marginally interested in real life, it fascinates me for a countless numbers of reasons. I'd drive a sports car gladly just to try, but nothing more than that. I'm quite comfortable with my life, but if someone asked me if I'd prefer to be - if I wasn't myself - Tim Berners Lee or Michael Schumacher, I'd say Tim Berners Lee instantly.
Knowledge and fun are the keys, for me. LFS is for me a better way to the knowledge and fun I'm interested in. I recognise that my reasons may be at the same time impossible and easy to understand, but I would say the same of yours.
So personally I try not to question other's people interests because if you want you'll always find something better for someone else to do depending on your logic/tastes, if you really want, although doing so you may forget that each human being is unique, and so are his/her reasons.
Edit: and Blueflame, if I believed in ignore lists you'd be one of the very few having the honour of getting in, since you always try to stir up trouble. When you get it please don't be offended. You were looking for it.
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