I was waiting for an answer by Intrepid before because the issue has been raised several times, but he didn't manage to answer. I'm still waiting.
Sincerely, Intrepid, why don't you stop it? I understood your point of view, and at this time of the night I'm generally far from being smart. I guess everyone understood.
It seems that the constructors points will be taken away, but there are ongoing arguments about this. BMW of course doesn't like the idea. Drivers points should remain. This decision would be consistent with other decisions taken during this championship. Otherwise there could be a fine.
Edit: A few minutes more for the sentence. There could be an appeal to the court of Paris, however.
Edit: A few minutes more for the sentence. There could be an appeal to the court of Paris, however.
Try to be objective. McLaren was extremely lucky. Don't forget it. And what was done by McLaren was immensely worse. End the argument, please. If it falls on wise ears, it falls on deaf ears.
I personally don't support your cause, and judging from what I saw few people do. But I'm not talking about cheating, you know, that's a silly argument. The fact that you refer to something obvious as a comparison doesn't mean that you're seeing the whole truth.
Yes, Ferrari. That's the name you'll find in the annals.
No, we're not McLaren.
RAI TV. They are following events quite closely, and they have lots of reporters at Interlagos.
Edit: RAI TV is respectably less biased than Allen (or BBC).
Edit: RAI TV is respectably less biased than Allen (or BBC).
I generally don't like conspiracies, but there are people hinting at a selective whistleblower, who just pointed his finger at some cars. The paddock shares this sensation too, and it's generally in a bad mood (except for McLaren, of course).
I have no data to confirm this, however it's rather curious.
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(and I seldom use smileys)
I could provide more posts about Ferrari being slagged much more badly. Justice, sometimes, is no more than a point of view. So are kicks in the arse.
It could be, but that's unlikely. Probably only the constructors points will be docked, unless FIA wants Hamilton to win at all costs (included in those costs, the small amounts of credibility they still have left).
Judging from the general atmosphere at Interlagos, the situation doesn't seem to be so dramatic.
Judging from the general atmosphere at Interlagos, the situation doesn't seem to be so dramatic.
The journalists at RAI TV are talking about a 95 precedent: the points for the drivers championship were not stripped while those for constructor championship were stripped.
But if he closed it, I'd have seen nothing strange. I doubt Hamilton would have pulled such a stunt if he hadn't been in dire need. Overall, I didn't like that pass.
Edit: Mazz4200, you still believe other people use the term rookie in a derogatory way, judging from your first post. It isn't so. Read their posts again and you'll figure out.
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You're making a fuss over a technicality, Mazz4200. Hamilton and Farina were both first year players because Farina won the first F1 championship ever.
And yes, I'd classify Ascari and Fangio as rookies too if they were first year players like Hamilton and Farina. Face it, it's a technical term, not a derogatory one.
And yes, I'd classify Ascari and Fangio as rookies too if they were first year players like Hamilton and Farina. Face it, it's a technical term, not a derogatory one.
Still having troubles finding real life racers to race with, Intrepid?
I thought Hamilton was lucky there, Barrichello has been intelligent and managed to avoid a racing incident. It was just a question of time, and he knew it, so he didn't close the door.
No news, deggis, the official chart for the GP hasn't been printed yet. The checks are still going on and the investigation could go on till morning (here).
I don't know. It seems they're double checking BMW fuel samples to see if there's any difference between the sample submitted before the race and the fuel left after the race.
Update: Joe Bauer (FIA) talked about 4 cars, both Williams and BMW.
I just heard from RAI TV that the BMWs can be disqualified for fuel irregularities, so Hamilton could win the title. What a joke.
Farina was a rookie. All the drivers were F1 rookies since it was the first championship ever. That's not an insult to his driving abilities and far from being uneducated. It's just a technicality. By the way, no matter who won that championship, it had to be of course an F1 rookie.
The term rookie applies to Hamilton in the same way: he was a rookie in F1, but as it happens from the second F1 championship to today, not all drivers are rookies.
Edit: and Maggot, no matter how you see it, the removal of the name Spain from Tristan's post was intentional, thus derogatory.
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Meanwhile, someone managed to change the biography... Hamilton is no longer the World Champion 
Kudos to xaotik for having quoted the original sin.
Kudos to xaotik for having quoted the original sin.
I especially hope for BMW, just for Kubica. He's a likeable, talented guy who enjoys having fun and talking clearly. I hope he doesn't change his attitude in the future.
Not so great for me, but overall from my own point of view the twist was badly needed.
The real style was avoiding to complain too much about Hamilton's move during qualifying.
He may talk too little, but silence is better than the thousands of stupid words I've listened to or read this year. "You will have problems, you will have problems!" springs to my mind. Well, someone else had problems...
Since I'm unwilling to talk about the existence and the nationality of God, I'll just call what happened poetic justice.
Edit: oh, how I suffer for the author of the book who claimed Hamilton would have been a world champion in his first season... I see a lot of merchandise flushed down the toilet.
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