if the development has surpassed their abilities in order to keep up with the current speed of development for computer software... why they haven't incorporated more people into the dev team
the devs selfishness on their own secret concept that they don't want out for who knows what reason, is keeping thousands of users from getting what they want, and generating a generally unhappy feeling among everyone.
get more people to work on the project.
Also someone mentioned something about semantics of businesses and stuff... it doesn't really apply here.
why would the devs be interested in pleasing customers that won't pay a penny for their hard work? do you think newcomers to the game say : "hmmm the devs on this game are very engaged on the community... i think i'll buy this just because of that"
most new customers (people who give the devs money) don't even know the name of the devs when they buy the game
i think a simple solution would be :new content will cost MONEY...
money would be : a better motivation to work, or simply a way to afford having more people on the team..
and i know i'm a demo... this user is just a lesser nobody than my registered ones.
@DarwinAce: I suggest you read the entire topic so that you have at least a basic idea about the subject. If you already did understand the topic you probably wouldn't have posted what you just posted. You wouldn't have needed to post it and you most likely wouldn't have wanted to either.
@ all other dissenters:
All LFS license holders have got exactly what they paid for, and the vast majority of us got a whole lot more.
People are frustrated/emotional/upset because they aren't getting what they want. I am most certain that the LFS devs can not ever give us all that we want. What the LFS devs have already created and continue to refine and to build on is very good indeed (otherwise all these people wouldn't be here getting frustrated and angry and demanding more). None of us would be here if we didn't already respect this sim, and none of us needed to be here in the first place.
LFS isn't all you want it to be? Can't seem to do anything about it? No crisis line to call? Can't find any community help groups? Running low on your medication? Then go and enjoy something else, because you certainly aren't enjoying yourself here. And if by chance your original goal was only to be miserable and drag others down with you - you've succeeded.
Its sad seeing the sim i loved and had so much fun with slowly fading away.
Frankly i dont even care about the so called updates.I can easilly fill my rather limited spare time with iRacing,netKarPro,BFBC2.
But imho it was wrong that the devs didnt hire or simply get help from the community,when many ppl offered to do so.Their denial brought us here.To a point where progress got slowed down and the end users left.
I dont known if LFS is dead but i surelly dont see great things happening in its future,when the opposition is clearly ahead.
I would of quoted the rest, but Rather have everyone re-read your post (On second thought maybe thats a good idea)
I think whats lacking and is shocking really given how this gem of software is developed is how a proportion of members contribute and some in doing so only make things worse.
Some really have in the past really put in the hours, some still are
Im talking about the coders the people running leagues, all the admins and forum moderators, and yes the racers.
We all want LFS to succeed, (although I do have concerns on how people justify demanding a patch/track/ etc)
Alot has changed since 2003, not just in LFS, the whole internet is different/ OS / Hardware and of course the competition.
Theres alot of opinions and concerns floating around, and I think alot of confusion created with the influx of new old.
Users inexeprienced with proccess that model of developement LFS uses (petervsp made an excellent post regarding this just a few back)
People complain that its slow and that others could assist, but the Devs wont allow this to some extents. (yes we know this, some may not agree. I just want to make a point here about the forums and how all this negativty is really quite counter prodcutive)
People communicate even when they dont try to, body language, behaviour etc. I remeber being around 5 years old, Being at my mothers "deaf club"
There was this old bean (bean=man), his name was Charlie.
Only a few people could talk to charlie, and for many years, this man and his expresions,
the joy and sorrow I saw in his face when he was talking. Was like mirror to your soul.
Now you may ask yourself, what is so special about charlie.
Imagine being born deaf, then going blind midway through your life.
Yeah its quite a different picture now you are painting perhaps.
I never really got round to asking the questions i asked myself much later in life. As charlie passed away before I had become a man.He died when i was approaching double figures and have long since forgoten now how to actaully use the language (mostly though contact on the hand)
I used to watch in amazement and wonder, later in life I did struggle with why he would want to wake up each day, Why persist in a reality in which you have very little feedback from. It was simple, people.
I grew up around a very close community, with deaf/hearing people of all ages/races.
So what has this got to do with LFS some of you may ask, possibly some of you are connecting the dots already.
My point is building on gunns points on bringing people down.
Why, how, when, what, where.
Instead of moaning about it, do somthing. If you really want LFS to succeed. Do you really think that by venting your frustraition and dismay, moments of rage and anger. This will make things go faster.
Emotion is contagous if not observed and realised for what it is expressing.
What I suggest to the moderators is give people a chance with this thread.
"If" a moderator could filter out the posts by the devs and keep them in here, remove the rest to another thread (for vws spam etc).
And Lets hope that people understand why charlie demmands deep consideration in communication.
Keep it constructive, Have more respect for your fellow. Even if they an Idiot behaving badly. Really people are like mirrors, this is how communication works, signals bouncing back and forth, relfecting suggestion with each transmission.
Maybe the moderators will take me up on the idea above. maybe they wont.
Maybe scawen will resubscribe will, maybe he wont.
Im not saying this thread is complete disaster there have been mm a few good points raised and debated in "segments"
This thread is like my 8 o clock waiters in the shop. They want the car done asap,but if something goes wrong,takes longer, they become retards sometimes. " i have to go now,i'll late from work" I try to work faster,but sometimes u just cant.
Maybe not retards, If I may expand on this, most peoples adverse reactions to negative situations all down to fear usually, in your case the driver late for work / fear of loss of money / repuation / job.
Money is what seems to be the main issue in everones life a dominating factor in happiness.
Somthing these days easliy confused with bigger better, the grass isnt always greener, to get to point using another cliche, you dont know what you have till you lose it.
And this is what alot of people are fearing, fear that they have lost the love, passion, addiction, kick from LFS.
The reason, the lack of a major update. I think alot of it is do to do with trust or the lack of.
If scavier had made regular posts regarding this, maybe this thread wouldnt be so rinsed in doubt. But let say they did, and LFS is still at z28.
Would you still be driving happy (not just you mustang, this really directed at everyone now: ) ) that because there is a post saying what part of LFS is being worked on because the devs let you in on every detail each update.
I think alot would say maybe yes, so why no updates.
Content is always being argued, look at how other platforms of software are made then publised before hitting the market.
Dont give everything away, now I know I am now progressing into speculative territory here. But Think loggically at the build and previous test patch phases to where we are now, and what is to come.
"Aha" I hear you say, well how would you know whats coming if the devs dont say.
To me this reminds me of from S1 going to S2.
There was info and clues on what was to come, but when it came
Wow, I'd forgotten the step from S1 to S2 and how much anticipation was around it, and what is was like the day it was released. I couldn't wait to get home from work that day and it didn't disappoint!
What a huge step that was. I guess that's all there is to say right now.
Waiting for a new major release of LFS is a pointless exercise. The people developing this product have demonstrated they have very little business and communication skills. Development skills however they do have, and therefore we have the current release which, is by far, the best online, multi player racing experience for its price to be found on the internet. So people, PLEASE give up on waiting for a new release and simply get online and race and enjoy. The beauty of online games is that the software is only HALF of the fun, the other RACERS make the game... I race at least once a week and get at least one amazing race in...
Who gives a monkey about the next release. I did, for a while, until I gave into the mentality of the development team who are doing whatever they please, even if it upsets their amazingly loyal customers. Race what we have now, enjoy it for what it is... the best online racing bar none...
If a new release comes, lets hope to god that they don't screw it up. Because you will be wishing you had what you have now
Of course a little more update would be great,i even think if they would release things with lots of bugs,we would have less moaning and unhappy people here. there is a lot of bug in game anyway right? Anyway people should move on till the update comes,lot of them did,but we got many teens left over,who are the ones that bitchin. Just remember back to your teen ages,its just life.. your young,immature,you want your things. They need to get involved with life a bit more,go out have fun,get some gf,live. Thats what i did,moved together with gf,now im busy with life,and just simply dont care anymore about games. sometimes i go up and beat General anywhere and thats it :P
btw: "fear is the only enemy.. face the enemyyy!! "
I have only mild depresing memories / I was in the middle of moving house and had NO GODAMN internet access when S2 alpha was publicly available.
I have however made up for that loss since.
But just to let you know I move house again maybe in september ......
Anyone want to bet I miss the next update?
Also whatever happened to that 1000cc FWD? hehehe
@ mustang, beat up .. .anywhere ...oh dear delusions of grandeur my dear. You know the score, name the time and place !!!!! No Inferno team love here now so you will recieve no quarter!!!