I don't see anything wrong about the way he is, he may sometimes tell it the way it is but I don't see anything wrong with that. When he deffended his position against Webber, yes it was a bit dirty.
He is talented but I dont see much wrong with his the way he is, he goes out there and does his job. I think he should have pride in his self and think a lot of himself as he is one of the best on the grid.

I personally dont find anything wrong with him but people have their opinions and they should, maybe in time people's views will change on him, who knows.

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or kubica just isnt the kind of guy whos completely unable to keep his tyres working over long distances

kimi looked more like a complete tactical error to me since iirc the time spent fueling the car was proportional to the stints he did which wouldnt have been the case if his car was fueled unusually heavy for the early stop he did

What is the attachment suppose to mean?

That you are on the opposite end of Einstein on the logic scale.

And shut up, please Why do you want me love your Lewis so badly?

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that was due to doing something extremely stupid with the tyres through...

Well, a rain 'genius' not only needs to be able to drive well in the wet but also set his car up, and make the correct tyre choice, for the wet. Add to this that it was only the first run he was on Inters, and his fastest time of Q2 was done on the wets (not the inters), and you can see that it's still pretty abysmal.

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That picture is pure win.

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In what way to McLaren's tyres differ from everyone elses? Oh right, they don't.

The fact that they put inters on a sodden wet track? Which was a call made by Hamilton and his chief mechanic, and a call i'm sure he regrets.

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I think it is going to take some time before people start to change their minds about Hamilton or start to like him, he has proved himself in the wet, he is nearly world champion, what is it going to take for people to start liking him?

Everybody did like him, since then he has polarised opinions. I'd like him to win the championship for a bit of national pride - but i'd hate to think how arrogant he'd become then, he's already pushing the rules as far as Schumacher ever did and Schumacher was only half as arrogant with more just cause.

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The fact that they put inters on a sodden wet track?

He did one lap on the inters, then changed to the wets everyone else was using. He may have done this at the time the track was at its best, but Massa still thoroughly outdrove him later in the session under the exact same conditions and with the same tires.

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He did one lap on the inters, then changed to the wets everyone else was using. He may have done this at the time the track was at its best, but Massa still thoroughly outdrove him later in the session under the exact same conditions and with the same tires.

ah ok, I dont watch qualifying anymore (no TV, I go over to my parents house to watch the GP itself) so i'm just going by what ITV said - they said he chose the wrong tyres then had brake trouble.

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they said he chose the wrong tyres then had brake trouble.

ITV, especially that moron Steve Rider, is so hopelessly biased towards Hamilton that you really can't rely on anything they say about him. The simple fact is that he wasn't as fast as many others in the session. He didn't have brake trouble. The team made the wrong call to try inters at the beginning of the session, but as has already been said, he continued to be slower than them even after he switched onto extremes. It just wasn't his day. He's a great driver, he doesn't need a whole team of excuse-makers trailing behind him to explain why he isn't crushing everyone by four seconds a lap.

In the race, James Allen decalred "HAMILTON'S STRUGGLING!" after he had barely done one corner. :rolleyes:

I can't wait for the BBC.

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ah ok, I dont watch qualifying anymore (no TV, I go over to my parents house to watch the GP itself) so i'm just going by what ITV said - they said he chose the wrong tyres then had brake trouble.

It's partly true.

He chose inters at first, but realised his mistake and came back in to change to full wets. Then he got called up for a random weighbridge check, which delayed him going out. By the time he got out, his tyres were stone cold = no grip, so couldn't even get brakes up to temperature and ended up glazing them. Disaster for his qualifying.

I distinctly recall him radioing his engineer: "It's horrible!"
Reply: "Just keep going, you need to set a time, just set a time."

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He did one lap on the inters, then changed to the wets everyone else was using. He may have done this at the time the track was at its best, but Massa still thoroughly outdrove him later in the session under the exact same conditions and with the same tires.

Lewis was called to the weight bridge... by the time he could come back out the tyres were stone cold and the track was getting wetter and wetter.

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Everybody did like him, since then he has polarised opinions.

I've never liked him. From the very start he annoyed me because of two things. His attitude and his helmet. He's always been arrogant, he's becoming more so these days but he was even bad at the start. We all know Senna is his idol, but it really annoys me when people wear a helmet similar to Senna...face it people you'll never be Senna! Now his driving is becoming pretty damn dirty (weaving and squeezing people when it's not necessary) that doesn't help his cause. I admit he's a very good driver, some of his moves at the weekend were impressive (like the Kubica move into the Roggia), but the number of times he made dirty moves totally outweighed his good moves. I hope he gets penalised for his tactics if they continue.

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Lewis was called to the weight bridge... by the time he could come back out the tyres were stone cold and the track was getting wetter and wetter.

like thats an excuse

Everyone goes through that randomly.

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like thats an excuse

Everyone goes through that randomly.

note the first part and the second part to my sentence.

Lewis stuff it by going on inters, which was his fault. Came back in to change tyres, and being called to the weight bridge which obviously took some time. BY THE TIME he can go back out on the track, it was already getting wetter and wetter AND he would need a lap or two at the very least to put some heat back into the tyres anyway.

Having said all that, if he didn't went for inters all those wouldn't happened but heck yeah he stuffed it up already, with the problems made worse by the random checks...

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I've never liked him. From the very start he annoyed me because of two things. His attitude and his helmet. He's always been arrogant, he's becoming more so these days but he was even bad at the start. We all know Senna is his idol, but it really annoys me when people wear a helmet similar to Senna...face it people you'll never be Senna! Now his driving is becoming pretty damn dirty (weaving and squeezing people when it's not necessary) that doesn't help his cause. I admit he's a very good driver, some of his moves at the weekend were impressive (like the Kubica move into the Roggia), but the number of times he made dirty moves totally outweighed his good moves. I hope he gets penalised for his tactics if they continue.

yeah unfortunately he learnt a few tricks now, pushing the rules in which he wouldn't get punnished. All these pushing other drivers off the track always happened and hardly ever went punished. Just that we don't get to see it often because cars don't go side by side often when it's dry...

as for his yellow helmet, he always claimed his dad picked a yellow one so it would be very easily recognisable out on the kart track...

and I do agree he is saying all the wrong stuff lately.
he was at his best when he just came into F1, before all the pressure and politics get onto him.

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he would need a lap or two at the very least to put some heat back into the tyres anyway.

So where were his times at the end after he had been on the tires for a few laps?

Why didn't he pit for warm tires?

I beleve once there on the track the heat goes completely away since its wet.

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it was already getting wetter and wetter AND he would need a lap or two at the very least to put some heat back into the tyres anyway.

which happened to be exactly how many laps he had done when he started a hotlap right behind massa who managed to make the jump into the top 10 about a minute and a half later

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which happened to be exactly how many laps he had done when he started a hotlap right behind massa who managed to make the jump into the top 10 about a minute and a half later

how many laps has Massa put onto those tyres compare to Lewis~?

not to mention Massa has the benefits of the heat blankets when he left the pit, where as Lewis and McLaren were somehow thinking they would just go out on the tyres which got cold when it was on the weight bridge...

dunno probably the entire session so far
but for someone as notoriously hard on his tyres as hamilton a couple of laps should be plenty to warm them up

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dunno probably the entire session so far
but for someone as notoriously hard on his tyres as hamilton a couple of laps should be plenty to warm them up

and then he glazed his brakes...

so to sum it up, everything that could go wrong went wrong, but that all started by the stupid ideas of trying inters in the first place...

The qualifying sessions are quite short, the world can come to pieces in racing in short sessions like that. I think it's good but I think F1 needs to jumble the grid up more.

It'd be nice to see the championship contenders having to work for it a bit. It's a simple fact that the 2 hour grand prix is often spoiled for the shennanigans of the qualifying system, but F1 doesnt need to make qualifying more popular with viewers, it could drop qualifying completely and get more viewers for the race.

Maybe the top 10 could be reverse top 10 in the championship order, and the rest in championship order. Or use championship position to impose a starting grid slot penalty, 1st = back 10 places, 20th = forward 9 places.

Or go the whole hog and on Saturday instead of timed sessions have some short 5-10 lap race heats like I did with STCC that leaves the fast guys 'near' the front whilst rarely giving them the chance to be at the front, and guarantees lots of overtaking moves in the scrabble for the grid.

The GP2 format allows for some creative shuffling. But a sprint-race pre-amble wouldn't really suit F1 that well I think. I think there might be some way to spice up the qualifying a bit more - already it's much better than it used to be (esp. compared to that stupid "empty track hotlap" rule some years back), and since the result patterns are pretty predictable it might be easy to think of a way to shuffle the pack.

Lewis would have been on the weighbridge with the inters. The wets would have been fitted, straight from the tyre blanket, just before he went out. Why didn't he warm his brakes up (e.g. like a green flag lap)? Why didn't he weave around to generate a little bit of tyre heat?

Lewis just lost all composure and presence of mind. He's shown many times now that his little brain can't cope with the pressure of qualifying, and he just goes to pieces.

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Lewis just lost all composure and presence of mind. He's shown many times now that his little brain can't cope with the pressure of qualifying, and he just goes to pieces.

Funny, I could swear the lad had over 10 pole positions already.

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He's shown many times now that his little brain can't cope with the pressure of qualifying, and he just goes to pieces.

I'd think it's more of a generic cracks-under-pressure-when-things-aren't-going-as-predicted sort of thing, not just qualifying. Already he has reduced that quite a bit though compared to the early season blunders, but sadly he currently seems to balance it out with unnecessarily aggressive driving. I just hope, for the sake of smooth racing action, that gives away to a more mature/calculated approach as years go by because all-in-all he is capable of giving a good show.