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JBiturbo
S2 licensed
This is nice and everything, the gesture, ( or is it? ) but there is still a big elephant in the room...

I didn't want to be THAT guy, but i guess i am gonna have to be, not a hater, just disapointed, so here it goes:

If S3 was worth the money, i would gladly pay the full retail price, but as predicted, still nothing more has been released to fill up S3. Not trying to be disrespectfull, but this seems like another xmas economic move...So i'll just keep waiting for anything substancial to make this purchase worth my money and my time invested in this sim again. Not finacing anything or anyone ever again, cause this seems to be the daily specials on the gaming industry now. Pay now, maybe get some later....nop, but thanks though...

I know its probly an unpopular opinion, but thats just how i feel.

Have a good 2017 everyone.
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
Quote from englishlord :Translated: Got bored of the game two years ago, wants times back that are past and wants to whine about it

Move on. Find another game to play. It's a big world with lots to do in it. Nobody cares about your disappointment.

Yes i got bored for playing the same combos and the lack of servers to randomly battle with a decent amount of other drivers. I don't exactly want the past times back, but i do miss the activity of servers, and places like CTRA to run in.

I wouldn't call it whining, but you can call it whatever you want. Its a forum, we come here to read and post about anything and everything. If you dont care about it thats just fine with me Thumbs up, but have you considered that maybe someone else might care, besides you, englishlord? Even if nobody does, just consider it. Oh please lord, let this poor peasent discuss about this....

I have moved on, to Rfactor 2 and Assetto Corsa. They are good, they are also diferent, but i still miss LFS, so i ain't i allowed to do so?
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
Quote from Racon :You're still missing this point. Rockingham was sat there gathering dust and now those who want it can have it, those who don't want it have nothing to complain about, and this was clearly stated. It's not so much "content later" as it is "Rockingham now".


VR is important to appeal to a new, emerging market. DX9 is a step towards the blingyness that attracts people to all those games with wet-fish physics. Both are steps towards long-term goals, ie, the caring you deny exists.


Westhill? That's clearly multiple times the development work required for other tracks, btw. There are two more tracks in the advanced stages of completion too.


Accusing the devs of not giving a shit contradicts this statement. There is a world of difference between not choosing the route you'd choose, and not caring.


It is ultimately their project. They could close down the master server and keep it going as a hobby just for the three of them if they so chose, they owe us nothing. They sell it because they choose to sell it. You can buy it or not, but you buy the right to use it, not a seat on the board.


Me personally, I just get sick of this "customer is always right, gimme gimme now now!" crap... even though I may get caught up in it myself from time to time Wink

Cmon man, no offense, but you are defenitly the ultimate fanboy here, m8. You basicly choped every issue on my post, and gave to all a snippy awnser... Can you try to be objective for a little while? Do you really believe in every "comeback" you gave me?

Why release only Rockingham after 7 years of waiting, specialy if it was sitting there gathering dust? and more shocking, why charge for it? Didn't we wait enough? Should we really be charged as a whole racing pack for one track after all these years? for me that was a low blow from the devs, showed no respect for their community, for all the racers that stood year after year just waiting for something anounced in 2008 to come out. And as they saying goes " fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me". So you get where im going with this.

VR is important? yes. DX9 is important? kinda, we are way passed that but still, its a step forward. Are both of these more important then new content? Absolutely no. And they didn't even need to rush anything out, 8 years its plenty for at least a well developed S3, like a handfull of new cars and 2 or 3 tracks ( at least ).

Yes, Westhill is nice, kudos to Eric. Credit given where credit is due.

About the costumer thing, i think we are well past the "gimme gimme now now", unless now means within an 8 year span. It was more like "Oh you have a new track and Scirocco almost ready to realese? Awsome, take your time and release it Devs!!"...but by take your time, nobody expeted 8 years, specially if the content was already made and we could even do skins for the scirocco and drool over it in LFSViewer.

M8, i understand your point of view. I dont agree with it, but i do understand it. You will enable any decision made by the devs, and rate it as the right one, no matter what, because in the end, they do whatever they want with LFS. You will wait whatever time its necessary for new content to get out, if it does come out at all. But reality tells me you will be feeling very lonely when it does, if it does, come out at all. Meanwhile a huge chunk of the comunity, unwillingly, moved on, myself included. And as the days, weeks, months, years go by, maybe even you will one day get tired. And all of this is a waste. Thats the bottom line. What a waist of a great sim, and great races that could take place here ( that once did took place and were epic! )

No need to always come back defending the devs, and turn on the guy whos not up for this show. A few of the guys here disagree with me, but they also understand my concerns.
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
I just dont get why many of you defend the devs blindlessly, when they clearly have a bad business startegy...

It seems to be the trend nowadays, CHARGE NOW and GET CONTENT LATER!! Wow...or BUY THE GAME IN ALPHA and wait endlessly till its finished or not. Once the money is on their side, what is their real motivation???

Im sure you guys know that i loved LFS for many years, otherwise i wouldn't be here talking about it. Its because i love it that i get sad and frustrated to see how its been handled over this ladt decade.

Im sorry but dX9 and VR support are not that important things, because they contradict the LFS "principales". LFS is built on an old graphics engine that alows even the crapiest PC to run it properly, and thats been said a million times in the forum. The goal on not upgrading it too far, was to make it available to everyone with not so optimal conditions. Now, I dunno about you guys, but i wouldn't spend 300€ on an oculus rift when i have a crapy PC...i would just take that money and upgrade it. And the real diference between Dx8 to Dx9 its not even that noticable.

Its the priorities that are all wrong. All the comunity was asking was new content, new cars and new tracks. If the game is already excelent, why focus on not so important upgrades? Im not blaming Scawen for developing the new tyre physics, but cmon guys, we all know the "standard" ones are already fantastic. The devs could easely, in this last decade, make new content and work on the physics on spare time. And besides that, its Scawen that is developing the tyre physics, not Eric. Why didn't Eric, the 3D guy, designed new content while Scawen was doing his thing?

Notice this guys, im not here to bash on you or be a troll, i just don't get why you are so fanatic about this issue!

This is a great sim game that we love, but its also and ultimately a business, and we are the costumers. We have a say in this because without us, there is no LFS. And like any other business, you gotta aim to please your costumer, listen to him, to its needs and worries, and just plan and evolve acordingly. Otherwise, sooner or later, your business will eventualy fail.
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
Hi Racon, i didn't want to get to the details, since its common sense ( or maybe not ) what happened with S3, but i'll explain.

The reason i say that S3 is proof, is that since 2008 they been talking about it, rockingham and scirocco and the tyre physics, and you know the rest....blablabla its 2016 and you only got the one track ( that was done 8 years ago), and a statement that cleary says the devs are not promissing anymore content, but they will try to release more as the time goes by.

S1 and S2 where worth the money, S2 was a great improvement on S1 as it brought more cars and tracks on diferent categories. S3 however was a total disapointment, you payed the same for only 1 track and, who knows, maybe even false expectations ( but thats what i think, thats what history taught me ). So S3 was a big let down, 8 years and the devs managed to release only 1 track and charge the same!

If that isnt proof enough that they just dont care anymore, i dont know what is....and coincidence, S3 was released right before Xmas, cause maybe money was tight and they need to raid their faithfull LFS fanboys for a last loot for Xmas presents! But thats my theory, doesn't mean its the truth.

If the devs really cared about LFS, we would be in S5 or S6 with a rich content sim and a healthy comunity full of people and servers. I mean whats really stoping them? They have a gold mine here, but they just decide its not worth it. Sad really, such a great sim, its a shame.
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
The guy is new to LFS, so its pretty normal that he is hyped with the sim. I agree it has so many simple and yet functional features that ruined us for all other sims, BUT, you can't ignore that it works that way because its extremely limited.

Yes graphics can change on the fly with no restart of the game...but rememeber LFS was "recently" upgraded to directX 8 or 9 , something already explored 10 years ago minimum. So on this end, you have pretty limited graphics to tweak ( although the game is still pretty playable ).

Skinning and setup wise, its brilliant, so simple and effective. But again, the skining is so simple because the cars are simple. No over the top details we are now used to in AC or other new "sims".

Just give him a couple of years, when he will probably be still waiting for the new S3 content, and tired of not having enough servers to explore and battle against other drivers on a regular daily base, or get fed up by driving the same combos over and over..... then i can almost bet his speech will be diferent!

LFS was great, once upon a time, now its just slowly dieing as the devs care less and less about it, and a great part of the active comunity just migrated to other sims. And its really sad, beacuse this still has great potential, but the people running the show just dont care enough. Proof of that its the latest S3 patch, where people paid 15€ ( give or take ) for one track, and are still waiting for more content to come...just dont hold your breath.

Enjoy LFS while you're hyped, m8, but dont come here here lecturing about how its better then this and that, we know about it, we lived it through the good times! Now you just can't compare an old simple game with the new complex and detailed rivals, because they are not even in the same league.
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
You have both options. W7 has a built-in feature and it should be enough just to check if there are any major problems with your HD. Just right click on your HD --- properties --- tools --- error checking. If you want a more detailed version of this, there are plenty diferent softwares to check your hd. But since this is just a triage, i think you are safe with W7 tool.
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
Hey TVE. Does this only happen with steam? or this happens with any direct download or instalation non related to steam?

I have a friend who had a similar problem, turns out it was his messed up hard drive. He would start a download on steam, it would download for a few seconds then it would stop for a few seconds sometimes even minutes. Then it would take off again, then stop, and so on. Check to see when the download stops if it says any messages like "alocating space" or "writing on disk" or something of this nature.

Try to do a checkdisk on your hard drive and see if has any damaged sectors or if it has any errors. It will just a take a few minutes and i guess its worth a try.

Btw, the only solution for my friend was a new hard drive.
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
Thanks for your words Senninha and Bishtop. I am giving my best to finish the studies and follow this career, so your coments mean alot to me.
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
Quote from cargame.nl :Respect for what? Doing nothing else then spawning negativity? They, you all, sitting behind your keyboards doing nothing else then criticizing and commenting others while not producing anything. Not going to happen. Lazy bunch of whiners.

And to add.. You didn't even tried Westhill 2.0 online which you got for free. Can't be satisfied with anything => borderline person.

Nothing to do with high horse. People like you are on a high horse with no respect to releases. It's pre release anyway. You are not forced to do anything, which seems to suit the profile.

Like i said, you got no respect for people and still continue profiling....are you some sort of doctor or psychiatry? My god man, the arrogance on you is behond anything...are you one of those keyboard heros that hide behind a screen and live in your parents basement? Because i didn't had this impression of you till right now! Still i make no assumptions, but i do question myself about that.

Its not spawning negativity......its an opinion. I guess you are that kind of guy that encorages mediocrity or less. The devs took 7 years to release 1 track, that was made 7 years ago, and you say " WELL DONE GUYS! AMAZING WORK!!"......while the track maybe be very good, it took them 7 years to release it. By any standards, 7 years its a long long time. Somewhere between those 7 years, i stoped playing LFS, i got bored of playing the same old tracks ( even with the new layouts, but how much can you strech the dough? ).

Yes i did not played westhill 2.0, i did try it on a friend PC, but still one remake of a track wasn't enough to reel me in again. Nor is this new track for 16€, and i dont care if you think 16€ isn't alot of money, for me it is. Im working and studying at the same time, so dont gimme that bullshit "lazy bunch of whiners"....you don't even know me, and my life doesnt revolve around this or any other computer game...

"people like you are on a high horse with no respect to releases" - I very much respect Assetto Corsa for their releases, they deliver the bang for the buck. And before you say something like : - then go play AC -, i do play it. But f**k me if i like LFS too and would like to see it getting the love it deservs right? And i guess f**k me too for thinking the devs where greedy and took a massive s**t on old LFS users? ( how do i, a lazy whiner, even dare to think such an atrocity, right? ) ....f**k me....
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
Quote from cargame.nl :You know these people in the corner with their arms over one another during a party having this facial expression "I am here but I don't like it because I don't like myself" ... Well, same situation here.

Even if you give them a free beer they still wouldn't cheer up. Always find something to be 'angry' about. But ah who bothers, corner is corner.

Not true. Im a very positive guy and also one of the, what you call, moaners. This thread was opened by a guy who entitled it "S3 too expensive". This is supose to be a thread to anyone who relates to the OP. Its true that everybody has their own opinions and the right to post something here, but what i see alot of people defending the devs and bashing on the moaners ( not all of corse ).

Cargame, you are basicly calling all of us that did not aprove this "S3" update, joykillers? no lifers? self pittiers? hatters ? i dont get it...every coment you been posting here, you are either profiling the "hatters", or criticising them for not shuting up and "eat their food". I dont wanna eat this food, it sat too long on the shelf before it was picked up. I am entitled to feel this way, and keeping on the metaphore, since i really like this menu, it bothers me that i have to eat it cold and rationed, and still pay for the whole thing plus tip.

I used to think you were a reasonable guy, but not so much now. Get down from your high horse, stop that nonsense profiling please, you and everybody whos doing it, and have some respect for the ones that are in the right place expressing their dissaproval of this latest devs move. At least for the ones that do it properly, politely and with founded critics.
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
Quote from Eclipsed :Why all these moaners think that in these all 7 years just Rockingham has been made? Haven't you noticed new Westhill? It's also totally new track,built from scratch with old layout as guide. And there have been many various updates,which default casual gamer wouldn't even notice,since they're not a truck driving over him. For everyone following discussions and progress is well known,that the most time since the famous "early 2009" has been spent for tyre physics. I'm not a programmer or a tyre engineer,so I cannot imagine how hard it is to create a quite precise simulation of this "small rubber stuff" on wheels. But if you can,why don't you create it,if it's so easy,you could be the next millionaire if you sell it in a racing sim with iRacing payment methods.

PS. I'm not a overdefencive fanboy here,I also would like to see different developement of LFS,but hey - WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING,it's only decision of devs,where the developement is going. Don't like it,don't buy it.

People who are moaning, like myself, i admit, moan because they love the game ( at least thats my point of view ) . If i didn't care about the game, i wouldn't even bother to write here...

We moan because we feel like after S2 was release, it seems all the choices made for this game where really bad ones. Why complicate when there is no need to? You think 7 years to develop new physics for a game that has pretty much nailed them from the start is time well spent? Or that 7 years is a reasonable time to wait for 1 track + 1 car + new physics, and then you get charged for only the track, without knowing what the future will bring...

Seriously, people have the right to moan. I do it myself too, and its only because i love the game so much, that it pains me to see what has been happening to it since 2008.

Just take a look at S1 and S2, S1 was a relatively small game, 3 tracks + 6 or 7 cars. Then S2, the greatest thing that happened to LFS, 3 more tracks and 11 or 12 cars. Now S3, after 7 years, 1 track........and thats it. Its ridiculous m8. Rockingham should be an S2 freebie for all the people that wait for it for all these years, it would be the right attitude towards all of us. And if they really are working on new stuff, that should be the S3 pack, not this track. IF during these 7 years they focused on new stuff, like they are allegedly doing now, S3 would probably be awsome, and certainly worth 16€!!

The gaming companies are taking over with this business bullcrap plans of charging first, then you get the "goodies", and people like the ones that already bought S3 are just enabling them...Its exactly what im seeing here, its an early access to S3. But like many other games, you dont always get to see what you paid for, sometimes you dont see anything at all...just empty promisses. Meanwhile, the money is already on their side.

I cannot trust Scawen, because of what he has done in the past, all the wrong choices....I just dont see it as an investiment, i see it, sadly, as a scam to be honest. I know this is just a game, but it was one that really made an impact on me, so yes, i will respectably moan.
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
I cannot believe you made this move, devs.....Don't take me wrong, i find it extremely positive you decided to finnaly move forwards, but not like this!

So let me get this straight: You decided the best course of action was to release a track made 7 years ago, without any other content, for 16€, with the promise that new content will follow, or maybe not ( your words ), to a comunity that begged and bicker, and kept faithfull to this game for all these years????

Shame on you guys, shame on you. But somewhow you actually pulled it off. I am amazed by the number of people that already purchased "S3". I'm not gonna be one of them. Not until i find S3 worth 16€.

I know you guys have the best intentions at heart, but at the moment, i just cannot trust you. You made me think like this. I really hope you guys give to these people something worth more then just a track for their money, and keep strong to your words.

I mean no disrespect with my words, but i had to put them out there.
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
I am indeed Mouseman, thank you for your words m8. Smile
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JBiturbo
S2 licensed
Hey guys.

Its been a long time since i played LFS, but i keep coming to the forum everyday to check out whats been going on.

Im at the moment getting a degree in mechanical 2D and 3D design ( Solidworks, Inventor, Autocad, etc ) but the reason i am doing it, its because of LFS.
Lately i do go on bickering a bit about S3 and how i gave up on LFS, but the fact remains, LFS inadvertedly has put me on a solid path to a career.

I never though about design stuff until i started playing LFS. I started it because i wanted to make my own skins, so i learned some photoshop through youtube tutorials. After about a year or two, when i was already confident in photoshop, i turned my atention to the renders some of the guys here where posting. Some of them just looked really awsome, so i though about giving it a go too. So i started to learn to fiddle with blender and those premade 3d lfs models. But then i wanted to make those models rounder, with more value to the eye, so i turned to 3DSmax and the render engine Brasil. After that, V-Ray.

The years went by and, without noticing, i was already becoming a bit handy with those softwares, being able to change lfs cars at my will, making them more photo realistic. After that, i started making my own models, objects, buildings ( houses, garages, stores, etc ), and more recently, boats and cars.

In the last 5 or 6 years i made a few freelance design jobs, almost all of them 2D, only one in 3D. I've gain alot of prespective about the world of designing and how harsh it could be, but since i really love it, about a year and a half ago i decided this is what i wanted to do for my life. So now, thanks to LFS, im closer to concluding my studies in mechanical design, and for the first time in my life, having a real prespective on my future.


So with this all said ( and if you read it all, im sorry about that ) i have a couple of renders of my latest original creation, and i would really like to hear your opinion on it. Its been a long way here, so i feel quite proud of it! Even if its not even close to perfect, its my own creation!

Thx for reading. And thank you LFS, with all your virtues, flaws, and stubborn devs that never released S3, still, the impact you made on my life was way more then entertainement.
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
Oh they did it alright bishtop, i never said they didn't do it. But who is behind all of these "terrorist organizations"? Who provides weapons to them? If you go on a quest for knowledge, regarding this subject, you will realise that most of these so called terrorists organizations are created and funded by big countries like the USA, like for instance ISIS.


"I also can believe that they would not go around killing their very own people in this day and age" - isn't 9/11 enough for you to realise how wrong you are?


"It makes them a target for military forces" - exactly the point here. This just gives big countries the right to go there and "fight the terrosism".

Just try to get informed, before coming here and calling me stupid. And if you really think that, in this matter of the so caled global terrorism, "sometimes things are as simple as they seem", i would point your insult to yourself...

We all have our own opinions, some more informed, some less. Regardless, its a bit narrow minded to call someone stupid if his opinion does not match with yours, specialy if you dont even try to get informed. By the looks of it, you are the target audience that actions like these are pointed to, to provoque and induce a thoughtless reaction. You probably changed your profile picture in FB to the france flag, and joined a few bashers in posts agaist muslims and the refugees...

By all means, i do think this is a tragedy, and i do feel sad for the inocents that died yesterday, and the families that will now grief.
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
What happened last night in Paris was indeed very sad. When MrSam says that they always attack the innocents, he is right. But just take a step back, and try to analyse the situation watching the big picture.

I think this an event very similar to the 9/11 in New York, an inside job. Along with USA, some other European countries, in this case France, have also interests in this "world fight agaist terrorism and islamism" ( wich they profit enormous amounts with ). And you can clearly see the impact that this has made in only less then a day, people all around the social networks are saying "kill them all","these islamic pigs", etc etc. Some even blame the refugees, wich by the way, plays a part in this strategy too.

France has been "preparing" for a situation like this in the last couple of months. There was even word in August, that a 9/11 tradgedy may happen in France in a near future. And now this.

What do they win with this? Well, just like in USA, they win the aproval of the people to take actions in the midle east, no matter what they are, no questions to ask. They gain control over their own citizens, they are able to spend money, with the people consent, on expanding the military, and maybe join this "war on terrorism" just to get a bigger piece of the cake. Already they are declaring state of emergency, closing all the borders, sending the military to the streets, and imposing a curfew.

Meanwhile, Obama already said they will help with anything France needs to fight in this tragedy, this "war on terror" ( that both America and France and alot more countries profit from it ).

Its a sad world we live in, where the real monsters hide in plain sight and control the entire world.

I could go on for ages, but i wont. Just try to open your eyes to whats happening all around the world, and try to make some sense of these recent events.
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
Quote from BaileyGroutage :
Scawen and the others suffer for LFS. They demand perfection from the game and we are lucky that they even put up with any less than perfection from us, the mere end user.

If you want frills and tracks and body kits and bling, there's a bunch of other games out there.

For me, LFS is the staple, and it is the only game I feel truly helps me drive in real life.

I'll be waiting, even if it's for a few more years for S3 and the other improvements.

Scawen did indeed, suposably, demanded perfection but only on his tyre physics. Or maybe he just hit a brick wall in coding and hope someday he would eventualy get over it. But you can't really say that he and the rest of devs suffered for LFS, when this was their second jobs. LFS was something on the side, secondary, and probably still is. If LFS was devs 1st income source, you can bet the game would be already in S4 or S5 or even further, with a comunity growing bigger and bigger.

I never wanted frills, or body kits or bling.....and i dont really understand the attack made here...all i wanted was tracks and a few more cars. Because i made almost 100k km on 6 tracks ( and its variations ) and got fed up with driving in the same old places. Thats the main reason i stoped playing LFS.

LFS was, and still is, unique in its physics. Theres no denying that, its a fact.

"we are lucky that they even put up with any less than perfection from us, the mere end user. " - so many things wrong with this sentence.

We are not mere users, we paid for the game and if it wasn´t for us, there would be no game. LFS comunity is a god send to the devs. They are extremely lucky to have such a devoted group of ppl like this, some even willing to wait years and years for something that may not even happen! ( yes, thats you, m8 ). The comunity took a good physics based game, and made it a great simulation experience with the leagues, championships, skinning, teams, broadcasts, add-ons, scripts, servers, etc. ALOT of work was put in by some of the "mere users".

That search for "anything less then perfection", or whatever you mean by that, is whats killing LFS. Devs should always hear what the comunity has to say, especialy this one. Everybody was happy with the tyre physics. We never asked for "perfection", because the game was already pretty good for us. We only asked for diversity like tracks ( inluding the famous rally pack craved by TVE ) and cars, and maybe some model remakes to make interiors like XFR and XFG ( since a majority drives from cockpit ) and more tracks. Things that take a bit of time, but they are fairly achievable. Everybody was willing to pay for that, for a true S3 pack that brought that.

Im sorry for the long post, and im not trying to disrespect anybody, i just felt you got the wrong message.
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
Quote from cargame.nl :
But does it need to be? I still play openTTD (online) now and then to relax...

It's a game from 1995. Twenty years ago. Improved by the community by the way. Because open source works Smile

I play OpenTTD too m8. Yes, i know what you mean, but the part where you say " Improved by the community by the way" is very important to the fact the we both still play it! The community took what was good from that game, and just added what needed to be added to keep the game enjoyable( like zoom options, construction options, all kinds of vehicle mods, ai, etc etc )

LFS atm is basicly the same as it was a bunch of years ago. MAybe if it was open source it would still be alive and well! I never complained about the physics or the game itself, i did complain, and more then once, about false expectations created by the devs about the sciroco and the track. All "we" ever wanted was more tracks and maybe a few more cars. Its as simple as that, and in my opinin thats all the game needed at that point.

But now, as time goes by, and decent car simulation games are not just only LFS and Rfactor, i just feel like S3 wont be enough to pull me in again, due to a number of aspects that maybe 5 years ago wouldnt even matter to me, but now they do ( i hope you understand what im trying to say )

Still, if it was worth it, i cant say 100% i wouldnt come back....but it had to be something big and substancial.
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
Without trying to be disrespectfull, you guys still believe in S3? Even if it does come out, god knows when... won't it be a little too late? I mean, its like nokia annouced the "new" cellphone 3310, 8 or 9 years ago, to be released on to the market now, 2015.... it was a good, simple, sturdy cellphone, one of the best of its time, but it would never get even close to compete with the new ones.
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
Quote from tristancliffe :
No, nuclear isn't free from drawbacks, but it has the fewest problems per megawatt output. In my opinion.

You should inform yourself before saying something like that.....You think it has the fewest problems, but only because you dont see them, or know about them yet. Governments hide such delicate matters from the public, for economical reasons.... You think spilling tons of nuclear waste in Atlantic ocean dont have any consequences? Its getting worst every year, and almost all the Northwest European coast is contaminated....you just dont hear it in the news because, like i said earlier, matters like this are hidden from public, results are manipulated, people are bribed...

Yes, nuclear power is efficient, but until there is a proper way of disposing waste, its the worst polution/contamination you can possibly imagine.

EDIT: Found this for you, just take a look if you want to know a little bit more about it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZhPndLmpAQ
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JBiturbo
S2 licensed
Regarding this subject, Its so sad to see people praising the developers....or bashing on the ones that complain......( and sad aint really the word i would use, perhaps something worst...)

Gain some prespective on the matter, and think!! What, in reallity, people are ranting about is FALSE EXPECTATIONS.

If scawen didnt said anything about S3, and state something like "ok guys, we finished S2, enjoy!!", or even something like " there will be no more content updates, only regular bug/small improvements updates from now on" , we , as costumers, would be ok with that. We payed for S2, and we got S2. No more, no less.

But the minute the devs annouce the scirocco and rockingham, and show us pictures of the content ALREADY CREATED, and say what they did say ( that they would only need to develop the tyres and release it ), we (again), as costumers, are left with this incredible news and expectations!!

Even if it takes one year, we get it, tyres and rubber are a tricky thing to understand, not at all linear! But then another year goes by, and another, and another, and so on.....Meanwhile, we have 0 feedback. Thats right, ZERO. I dont consider "we are still working on it", every once a year, feedback.....

The lack of news, and the ridiculous time that has passed makes us in every right to say whatever the hell we want! And how dare you to insult us!!!

If you lived on the streets, and i told you " Dude! i've built a home for you, its right there!! Just wait till i finish the wooden floors and you can move in any time soon!! and then you are left on the streets for 5 years more, wouldnt that piss you a little?? Especialy if the floors arnt even that important, it would be more important to have a roof over your head, and keep dry and warm through the winter.....or am i wrong??

So please, for the love of god, just try to understand the situation and stop droping the bombs on us. The devs not only disrespect us as clients, as they also inforced silence into the forum, closing threads that where not "positive", just like opression days of history.....

And even after 5 years of waiting , the devs think its more important to adapt the game to 3D gogles, then to release new content....its like they are just screwing with us and having a big laugh.....

I will not buy S3, on principle, because i have no respect for people like this....

And just a quick though, this one specialy directed to scawen : Who the hell cares if you are healthier now because you ride a bike or run or stoped smoking?? Would my design clients be happy if i told them " oh sir, im sorry i dont have your work ready, but i lost 5 pounds and i feel so much better now!!" . Have some respect.
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
I visit this forum everyday....and i stoped playing a while ago. Thing is, there still is a number of interesting threads in here ( 95% of the unrelated to LFS ) .

About the patch or S3, i have given up long ago....i have no trust in the developers, nor do i, at the moment, repect them.
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
Quote from Ssaint :with what program to create a render

I use 3ds max + vray
JBiturbo
S2 licensed
Quote from sinbad :I don't care how good Assetto Corsa or anything else is. I'll happily pay for and play it and other sims, but I have a connection with lfs and how it feels, and imo only a fool would ignore anything that "Mr Scawen" offers up.

Im glad that my post urged Mr Scawen to a quick, tip of the tongue, awswer . Would have been happier if you did it years ago when "i" asked about the scirroco and rockingham, or some years after that about the tyre physics, sir.


I loved LFS for many years and i have a special place in my soul for it. I payed for it and got more then enough for my money!! Im just moving on, and saying that even if S3 comes out, i doubt i'll buy it. If AC ( Assetto Corsa, for the layman ) delivers the "goods" in multiplayer as it does in single player, why would i ?
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