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October Progress Report
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Quote from Xenix74 :
(Scawen is absolutely right)

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Quote from cargame.nl :Growth is indeed a problem, human growth.

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And nothing can be done about it because;

Quote :The idea of trying to influence human population growth is highly controversial and has been deemed too hot to handle by UN negotiators.

instead we are all going to battle the consequences of overpopulation. Good luck with that (it's never going to work).

So might want to get annoyed but the only way to fix this is to either start to kill on purpose or start to do some birth control. But, first Jesus needs to come back to tell that from now on it needs to go on a different way because Christianity alone is already 31.8% of the world. Is the pope already handing out condoms? No.

It's just impossible. It's funny to see voices coming from the UK though, dictating that the whole world must start to act different while they discuss for years (!) now in their own kingdom to find some agreement to being able to continue living with each other.
Quote from cargame.nl :It's just impossible. It's funny to see voices coming from the UK though, dictating that the whole world must start to act different while they discuss for years (!) now in their own kingdom to find some agreement to being able to continue living with each other.

It's not impossible. It's just difficult. I don't know what you mean about voices from the UK. Are you saying no-one from the UK should be able to join in with climate discussions, because of Brexit which is unrelated? Nearly all scientists (globally, not just the UK) agree that we need to change our ways or eventually there will be unimaginable suffering due to the collapse.

Even you agree with that. The only difference is you think there's no point in trying to do anything about it. Your approach seems to be, although this is physically possible, to say that it's too difficult to adjust the way we do things so let's just forget about it and simply continue to make the problem worse.

That kind of thought process is understandable. I won't be here, so why should I care? I believe it's more common among those who don't have children. All the bad environmental stuff is currently getting worse, so most people who do have descendants or simply have some emotional connection with the natural world, think it is worth making some major efforts to improve the situation.
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No, we really cannot discuss Brexit here. I'm sure nearly anyone would agree that has become the ugliest mess within the UK for a very long time. On topic, neither the UK alone nor the EU has been anywhere near strong enough on protecting the environment.
@sobis In my eyes healhty forest absorb CO2 so why cut them for biomass.
Quote from Scawen :
I hope the Chinese will take strong action, and as many governments as possible will do so. Then finally the USA can help too when Trump is gone. Similar problem with Russia.

This is the exact reason why Trump pulled out of the climate deals. Not one of you can name 1 of the thousands of steps the USA has made to reduce emissions in the past 20 years. China is one of the worlds largest investors in clean energy but we dont talk about that, do we?

This thread has gone to hell with all the above crap. Can we get back to development instead of talking about the co2 in the sky that no one here is physically trying to correct?
Quote from Scawen :No, we really cannot discuss Brexit here.

Quite! I've been dreading it infecting LFS for a while, either in forum or on track. I was just surprised to see the first mention I've come across here come from you, given your aversion to worm-cans Wink

I used to frequent a particular guitar players' forum, back in the day. There was a lot of off-topic, and it was a friendly, supportive place so they had a rule to keep things civil, "no religion or politics". It was a wonderful thing until they made an exception for song lyrics - on the basis that people shouldn't be barred from discussing songs they'd written on that kind of forum. Ooops. Half the forum immediately started ranting religion in rhyme and a good half of the rest left, myself included.
As we are massively off topic (Thanks Scawen Thumbs up ) there are a couple of points I'd like to make.

Anthropomorphic Climate Change - Whilst human actions on the Planet have a major effect on our ability to survive as a species, ( Pollution, radiation, water abuse ), to believe that humans are solely responsible for variations in Earths temperature is an act of extreme hubris.
Actual science, rather than Greta science, would suggest that we are currently in a warming period whilst still in an Ice Age. Something that actual science shows has happened a number of times in this planets history.

Actual problems facing human existence - Our apparent desire to make our planet unlivable. Unless we choose to stop polluting our waterways, stop irradiating our selves and our food sources with ( Gosh, how did that happen ??? ) massive nuclear 'accidents' that 'no one could foresee', polluting our sea's with plastic waste that WILL kill off fish species that we rely on for food, and, first and foremost,

STOP the massive waste of money, resources, and threat of human devastation that is the arms race and weapons sales.
If the money wasted on this was spent on cleaning our planet then human life would be vastly improved.

FYI - For those of you who live in the UK.....
UK reclaims place as world's second largest arms exporter
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/30/uk-reclaims-place-as-worlds-second-largest-arms-exporter

Don't bother to lecture me when this is YOUR COUNTRIES CHOICE FOR OUR WORLDS FUTURE. You've got an election coming up, so sort your own house out !!!!
Quote from Racer X NZ :we are currently in a warming period whilst still in an Ice Age.

A "warming period" that is unprecedented in the history of the planet, and just so happens to coincide with human industrialization.

https://xkcd.com/1732/

Stopping pollution and stopping climate change are not mutually exclusive. They are one in the same.
Quote from Scawen :On topic, neither the UK alone nor the EU has been anywhere near strong enough on protecting the environment.

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ACTUALLY on topic: this progress reports look great. Hopefully we can enjoy the changes shown within these screenshots before the world is ruined due to co2 and such etc

Thank you
Quote from Forbin :A "warming period" that is unprecedented in the history of the planet, and just so happens to coincide with human industrialization.

"The most recent glacial period occurred between about 120,000 and 11,500 years ago. Since then, Earth has been in an interglacial period called the Holocene. Glacial periods are colder, dustier, and generally drier than interglacial periods. These glacial–interglacial cycles are apparent in many marine and terrestrial paleoclimate records from around the world."
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/abrupt-climate-change/Glacial-Interglacial%20Cycles

So, provided we all pay a 'Carbon Tax' we can alter the history of this planet and control it's temperature......

Yes, of course our activities have an effect on the planet, I did think I'd made that point, but clearly not well enough for you.
My point was that there are many other actions we need to take to support our survival as a species on this planet.

But, if all you want to do is to pay another tax to make the wealthy wealthier without actually doing anything meaningful, go ahead............


Record private jet flights into Davos as leaders arrive for climate talk
Quote from Racon :Quite! I've been dreading it infecting LFS for a while, either in forum or on track. I was just surprised to see the first mention I've come across here come from you, given your aversion to worm-cans Wink

Ah, no, it was cargame.nl that mentioned it, in his final paragraph suggesting that UK people had no right to comment on anything due to our own internal issues (he didn't use the word Brexit but it was obvious that's what he meant).
Quote from Scawen :..Are you saying no-one from the UK..

I was later thinking that I needed to specify this.. But sort of yes, if all noses cannot look in the same direction on nation level, why would someone think it would work on a global scale. Changes start small, not big. The finger is directly pointed at bigger names; China, USA, Russia was mentioned (Brazil wasn't, why not? Massive deforestation takes place there). Russia lately joined the Paris agreement, not that it matters much because by UN rules they don't need to do so much to begin with. There are many dark thoughts about Russia (biggest country of the world) but if you would be here like me for the third time in a row (3x3 months) then its not so dark/evil (whatever) as what mass media would describe. Government / oil giants can be different but the normal Russian life is more then OK and better organized then most people think. Sure there can be improvements but even in my own country there is no return fee on cans for example compared to Germany where there is a return fee on a lot more plastic and tin cans. This are just small examples but for me makes it makes a huge difference to people who directly point to other countries and say "look what they do!".. Yes.. Well.. Look what you do first (or actually, not do)..

Quote from Scawen :Even you agree with that. [...] anything about it.

I agree that some action needs to be done. I donated 5 Guilders (our old currency) to WWF when I was.. Hmm.. Twelve or something.. It was a computer which showed how many trees would be saved in the Amazone .. Thing would go on for minutes by showing trees because didnt expect such amount I guess. Anyway, my point is, was this donation properly being used or did it go to some bank accounts of "world improvers" without actually doing anything except marketing and practicing empty talking. Now I am a little bit older and can research financial data from this NGO's. Guess what, most money is not being used to improve the planet. So yes, I am very skeptical about all this talk about we need to educate the world etc. Because who is going to do that? I do not count on LFS getting that popular.

Quote from Scawen :who don't have children. All the bad environmental stuff is currently getting worse,

Sid Meier already included global warming issues into his game in 1996, Simcity 2000 (1993) had also environmental concerns/acts in it. In my youth (eighties) people cried about acid rain, hole in ozon layer (which is by the way almost totally fixed due to global warming) and now we have CO2 issues. Most CO2 emissions are coming from the oceans. Killing the oceans is a difficult task because its 71% of our planet.

I short; I do not agree about this whole CO2 emission blabla (and I even am asthmatic) but I do agree about that it is too busy on this planet. And I also agree that the people with the loudest voices telling that something needs to be done... Have.. Children.. Which is, the main cause of the problem. Ironically. But yes I think the problem is not fixable because of too many religions, too many people which think selfish etcetc.

Nothing more to add about this topic.

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However, believe it or not... LFS made a big difference in these "discussions of life". I have met people which I otherwise would not have met and shared interesting point of views. So a multiplayer simulator can actually help (a lot) bringing philosophy, other culture insights blabla to a higher level. Something which (a-)social media cannot achieve.
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(Racer X NZ) DELETED by Scawen : We really are not going to talk about Brexit
This is the real problem:



I recall moderators and yourself, Scawen, moving posts that are classed as 'offtopic' to a separate thread in the past. So shall we apply the same rule in here and from now on comment about the 'October Progress Report' which at the end is the whole point of this thread? I do not see why we're talking about climate, China, UK and US in a Live For Speed October Update thread that should only be a discussion regarding the new progress that has been done in the game.

There's not often an 'update' thread, so the least you guys can do is ensure 'that one update thread' remains being used for what it's intended to be.
we are simply talking about S3 contents :
* UK track : rockingham
* still the two unknwon tracks based in China and US
* electric cars to come
That's just how the conversation went. Some things are more important than Live for Speed! Smile

And for anyone concerned that this slows development - I'm here working on bloom, don't worry.
Quote from Chriship :I recall moderators and yourself, Scawen, moving posts that are classed as 'offtopic' to a separate thread in the past. So shall we apply the same rule in here and from now on comment about the 'October Progress Report' which at the end is the whole point of this thread? I do not see why we're talking about climate, China, UK and US in a Live For Speed October Update thread that should only be a discussion regarding the new progress that has been done in the game.

There's not often an 'update' thread, so the least you guys can do is ensure 'that one update thread' remains being used for what it's intended to be.

Gee... It's not like the forum is out of control or anything, true it's off-topic but I am quite happy to see some discussion on a relatively "quiet" forum!
Quote from nacim :Scawen, I think you really need to add bloom to your todo list if it isn't already, it would really add to the final image if you have proper HDR data. I recommend an implementation close to KinoBloom (bloom by using downsampling instead of bluring)...

Hi nacim, not sure if you are still following this thread.

I've been doing some experimentation with a resizing method described by Jasper Flick.
https://catlikecoding.com/unity/tutorials/advanced-rendering/bloom/

I think it's the method you are describing, but I was surprised not to be able to find any other descriptions on the net. Just thought I'd mention it in case you could point me towards any other relevant information.

I like the way it avoids the need for the horizontal and vertical blur passes, but at this point I don't really know where I'll end up.
Quote from Scawen :That's just how the conversation went. Some things are more important than Live for Speed! Smile

And for anyone concerned that this slows development - I'm here working on bloom, don't worry.

I think 'slow' development is not something anyone here is concerned about after all this years. I'm pretty sure you get my point, so good to see we're back on topic.
Quote from RC-Maus :@sobis In my eyes healhty forest absorb CO2 so why cut them for biomass.

Yes you are correct. A healthy forest absorbs CO2 and stores it in itself. Even if we don't cut it and let it grow till it dies, after its' death the microorganisms will most likely digest it and transform it into CO2 so the end result of burning it and letting it grow --> die --> rot is nearly the same. It gets transformed into CO2 and then some time later goes back to being tree again (cellulose and what not, basically some form of hydrocarbon). Because of this, there is a cycle so the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere stays stable.

Now lets think about fossil fuels. The carbon that is in fossil fuels is deep underground. After 100s, 1000s and so on years it will still be underground so the amount of carbon in the atmosphere is not influenced by fossil fuels. Now when we start digging it up and burning, the carbon that was supposed to be deep underground, is being released into the atmosphere and it enters the cycle mentioned above. As it can't go back underground (over a short period of time, not talking about millions of years), it stays in the atmosphere and thus the amount of CO2 increases. As CO2 increases, the earth gets hotter because CO2 absorbs some IR radiation that would otherwise escape to space.
Work in progress screenshot of the bloom effect so far.

With and without so you can see the effect.
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