Quote from Chisha :

This looks like it might be useful

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/ ... oc/tgssetupjavaenvir.html

I checked using that command, and it brings up the correct Java version. I guess I really am just going to have to reinstall Windows.

Anyone have any further input? I have had no luck fixing this, and I kind of want to avoid a clean Windows install.

Quote from Roadie :

i got 2.55s as my fastest. In the XF GTI.... BTW, this tweak was in S1, and it had so much grip you could drive upside down and on walls.

I have that tweak/setup as well. If you recall, the car had a negative value for weight, so it really had unlimited traction because it was being pushed hard into the ground through some weird bug. Great fun doing sub 30 second laps at Blackwood.

I am highly offended by this entire thread and I demand you all cease and desist!1!111!!!!one!!1!eleven!11!!!!!

Android, I just installed Java 1.5.0_05. Then I check the 'CLASSPATH' and 'Path' variables. They were pointed to the wrong direction (different version). I changed that, but I stil have some concern. This is what both variables look like:

CLASSPATH: C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_05\lib\ext\QTJava.zip

Path: %SystemRoot%\system32;%SystemRoot%;%SystemRoot%\system32\WBEM;C:\Program Files\QuickTime\QTSystem\

Firstly, there is no such thing as QTJava.zip in that same place of my current Java installation

Secondly, I don't know what to make of the Path. Is Java supposed to be associated with Quicktime like that?

Speaking of Life of Brian. This is one of my favorite parts (quite long ):

Brian is running from the guards and stops quickly at an outdoor shop to get a fake beard.

BRIAN: How much? Quick.
HAGGLER: What?
BRIAN: It's for the wife.
HAGGLER: Oh. Uhhh, twenty shekels.
BRIAN: Right.
HAGGLER: What?
BRIAN: (Holds up 20 shekels) There you are.
HAGGLER: Wait a minute.
BRIAN: What?
HAGGLER: Well, we're-- we're supposed to haggle.
BRIAN: No, no. I've got to get--
HAGGLER: What do you mean, 'no, no, no'?
BRIAN: I haven't time. I've got--
HAGGLER: Well, give it back, then.
BRIAN: No, no, no. I just paid you.
HAGGLER: Burt!
BURT: Yeah?
HAGGLER: This bloke won't haggle.
BURT: Won't haggle?!
BRIAN: Alright. Do we have to?
HAGGLER: Now, look. I want twenty for that.
BRIAN: I-- I just gave you twenty.
HAGGLER: Now, are you telling me that's not worth twenty shekels?
BRIAN: No.
HAGGLER: Look at it. Feel the quality. That's none of your goat.
BRIAN: All right. I'll give you nineteen then.
HAGGLER: No, no, no. Come on. Do it properly.
BRIAN: What?
HAGGLER: Haggle properly. This isn't worth nineteen.
BRIAN: Well, you just said it was worth twenty.
HAGGLER: Ohh, dear. Ohh, dear. Come on. Haggle!
BRIAN: Huh. All right. I'll give you ten.
HAGGLER: That's more like it...Ten?! Are you trying to insult me?! Me, with a poor dying grandmother?! Ten?!
BRIAN: All right. I'll give you eleven.
HAGGLER: Now you're gettin' it...Eleven?! Did I hear you right?! Eleven?! This cost me twelve. You want to ruin me?!
BRIAN: Seventeen?
HAGGLER: No, no, no, no. (chuckles)Seventeen.
BRIAN: Eighteen?
HAGGLER: No, no. You go to fourteen now.
BRIAN: All right. I'll give you fourteen.
HAGGLER: Fourteen?! Are you joking?!
BRIAN: That's what you told me to say!
HAGGLER: Ohh, dear.
(Brian sees guards coming)
BRIAN: Ohh, tell me what to say. Please!
HAGGLER: Offer me fourteen.
BRIAN: I'll give you fourteen.
HAGGLER: He's offering me fourteen for this!
BRIAN: Fifteen!
HAGGLER: Seventeen. My last word. I won't take a penny less, or strike me dead.
BRIAN: Sixteen.
HAGGLER: Done. Nice to do business with you.Tell you what. I'll throw you in this as well. (picks up a gourd)
BRIAN: I don't want it, but thanks.
HAGGLER: Burt!
BURT: Yeah?
BRIAN: Alright! Alright! Alright!
HAGGLER: Now, where's the sixteen you owe me?
BRIAN: I just gave you twenty.
HAGGLER: Oh, yeah. That's right. That's four I owe you, then.
BRIAN: Well, that's all right. That's fine. That's fine.
HAGGLER: No. Hang on. I've got it here somewhere.
BRIAN: That's all right. That's four for the gourd.
HAGGLER: Four? For this gourd? Four?! Look at it. It's worth ten if it's worth a shekel.
BRIAN: But you just gave it to me for nothing!
HAGGLER: Yes, but it's worth ten!
BRIAN: Alright! Alright!
HAGGLER: No, no, no, no. It's not worth ten. You're supposed to argue, 'Ten for that? You must be mad!' Ohh, well. [sniff] One born every minute.

Last edited by TaiFong, Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:29.

Well I found the problem but I can't fix it. It seems anytime a Java application is used and then is closed, it freezes the computer. I accidentally had 2 different version installed at the same time. I uninstalled the newer version, but it will not let me uninstall the older version. The error says:

"You already have this version of JRE installed. Please uninstall the product using your add/remove programs utility before reinstalling."

I get this message even though I AM trying to uninstall using add/remove programs. So, then I tried deleting all registry files associated with Java and any folders that pertained to it. After that, I reinstalled Java, but I still get the same freezing problem after closing out Java applications. So, I suspect it has something to do with that stupid old version of Java installed in some ungodly location that I cannot extricate it from. Anyone have an idea?

Props to Eric for sure.

Nice avatar, axus.

Quote from XCNuse :

there will be one type i cant remember will be brought to US (if i read correctly in motor trend) but either way; its great and all but.. underneath.. its really not all that great, they need to spend more time on suspension and the actualy ride of the car rather than its space age materials

It's at the top of the Top Gear power lap chart. lol

Quote from glyphon :

i wish that i lived close enough to the dragon (US-129) to be able to drive it everyweekend. well, i guess technically i could, but considering its a 3 hour drive each way, its not really practical. That said, the dragon is all sorts of fun. 11 miles long, 300+ turns, and some fun elevation changes.

a hill climb/touge track would be incredibly fun and a great addition to the game.

oh, and if anyone cares to learn about the dragon, here's a map...
http://maps.google.com/?ll=35. ... amp;spn=0.076175,0.139046

I've always wondered, what is the cop situation like on the dragon?

Quote from whitey6272 :

air to fuel ratio 99.9%/1% hehe FAN bursting ear drum TASTIC

I believe that was the whine of the straight-cut gears.

This is one of my favorite cars. Listen to this beast!

http://www.car-vids.com/Videos/hlhx_Zonda_F.avi

Quote from the_angry_angel :

I'm bored now. Theres only so much of this game you can take - especially since using a proper wheel is such arse.

There's a 400,000 USD prize so you better keep it up.

Quote from V3NOMOUS :

illepall Why did u put that down. u must be the old era I'm from the new era

Axed means destroying sdomething u have axed urself ( Tripped and got carved up)

I mean't like killing that car so it is not drivable

I was being completely serious is my last post, and I will be completely serious about what I say next:

I eat children.

We meet again Plinky. Good fun jamming MRTs into walls with you. Check out my AutoX layouts in this forum. Maybe you'll like them.

Quote from V3NOMOUS :

Getting Axed thats whats so cool

Yeah for real. The first time I crashed, I snorted a bucket full of cocaine and cut myself until I felt good about life.

94 :balloons: :smileyrai

too early you think?

I'd like to play this, but I have a weird problem. The game opens in windowed mode only and doesn't make it to the main screen. I get as far as the keyboard layout, and the game music keeps playing, but no game. Odd.

Nice layout my friend! I've been having fun tossing the MRT around and managed to get a 49.84 with it.

Quote from Lible :

Trackitself is super! I like it, but design is bad. I really dont like tracks builded from cones or tires (that have a huge empty space between them)

Well, you know, proper autocrosses are done in that manner.

Quote from tristancliffe :

yes, nice post there bbuck.

There was a discussion about this before, either on rsc or this forum, I don't remember (don't worry, this ain't a 'yuo should have searched' post, as it'll be good to get newer LFS peeps opinions on this).

As far as I know, the benefits of lowering the tyre pressures outweight the lack of support from the air to a point, in terms of grip. Much like the higher pressures are reduced flexing of the carcase helps to reduce tyre temps in real life, up to a point.

This thing is that LFS isn't quite perfect there. For max grip people still run lower than what would or should be optimal, and for tyre longevity people run pressures that in real life would cause chuncking of the tread and quite a lot less grip. Hopefully it's something that the next patch will fix (but thats a wish, NOT definitive).

With autocross it is all about grip and FEEL. In LFS, because of the non-mechanical connection to the wheels (electric signals, and FFB) and no 'seat-of-the-pants' feel, the effect of losing tyre rigidity is lessened considerably. Whether or not thats something that can be fixed by more realism or less is debateable.

If we have a prefect tyre simulation (hypthetically) then in theory we'd run our tyres just like real life. But if, because of the nature of a simulation, and how we perceive and interact with it, we can take advantage of something in that perfect recreation of physics that real life cannot allow. So what would we want? A sim that is 'realistic' but due to the drawbacks of simulations we can take advantage of, or physics that are, compared to real life, inherently flawed but less susceptible to grossly unrealistic misuse?

I think, and I'm sure lots will disagree with me, that thats a strong point. I look forward to hearing what people say.

Good points, and I'm glad you took the time to re-analyze this concept.

I agree foremost about the feel of the real world vs. LFS. I've never run below 32 psi before, but I imagine if I tried going as low as 30psi in real life, the car would feel pretty bad. It might stick better, but I probably would not feel in control because of the chunkiness of flabby tires. Hence, I would be slower...unless I adapted I guess.

I'm the type who often needs definitive answers to settle my mind, so it looks like a few test drives are in the cards. Maybe I'll go out somewhere and hit a few curves with 40 psi then head back out with 32 or 35 and see if I even feel a difference. The problem with real world testing, at least for me, is that there is so much tactile information to take in, a subtle difference like that would be hard to detect without things a like a g-meter and/or constantly being aware of cornering speeds. Who knows. For now, I'll stick around and await some more input.

Thanks so far.

So I was driving along on an AutoX course with the FXO Turbo and noticed something that was odd to me.

Let me preface by saying when I do an AutoX in real life, the common sentiment is that you fill your road tires to about 40 psi. The idea being that the added pressure gives you better sidewall support for tighter cornering.

However, according to LFS, it is better to have less than the required pressure. I did a few laps in the FXO using Bob's road going set to simulate an average car. I found that I was quicker with about 30 or less psi all around and slower with 40 psi all around. I also tried it with the XRTT and found the same results.

So who's right? What should I actually be doing at these Autocrosses? I know lower tire pressure gives you a better contact patch and sticks better, but I was under the impression that the amount of rollover of rubber would even things out. I guess not. Give me your input!

Last edited by TaiFong, Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:28.

Quote from Vendetta :

Until i see it with my own eyes on google earth, i dont believe them.

Download that .kmz file and use it with Google Earth. To my own surprise, it is there. Of course there is some reasonable explanation, but it's still cool.

Why was this thread hijacked so bad? lol