why would it? LFS is designed to sim the physics of driving a car, whether people use it for race or drift wont matter.
and most people would argue simply racing around a circuit is pointless, and well, it is, but **** its fun, same as drifting, its not there to have a point, its there to be fun.
it is a judged sport, the judging criteria varies slightly between each country and event, but the general criteria is speed, angle and line. in a battle the idea of the leader is to generally do as good drift as possible and if possible getting some distance on the follower, the follower is trying to emulate the driver in front, keep close and even overtake under drift if it is possible.
there are plenty of tactics in the way of doing this, but its probably not worth getting into.
i like to call it the fast and the furious generation, the movies brought an inflated image of the car scene, and drift is simply just the latest in the movie sets so its quite simply just the latest craze for them. it will pass.
oh, and ive got nothing wrong with u expressing your opinion, but when its based of false statements which do in fact insult the sport.
his name was warren luff i beleive, it was part of a promotional thing, the car was designed for drift and was drifted competitively by a drifter, but for this event they let warren behind to the wheel to see how he went, the result tells it all.
nihil has obviously already talked about the origins of racing, so i dont see much point on touching on it, so i will talk about drift. drift did originate on the street, but not kids powersliding, it started deep in the hills of Japan along side racing on the touge (term for mountain roads in Japan), theres a few different stories on why it started being used, not thats its really important but one of the origins is that it was actually a technique that slowly was adapted from racing, minor amounts of oversteer were induced to prevent understeer and it slowly became more and more about the drift rather than simply a technique for racing. what was seen here was a lot different from today, as the sport progressed it obviously changed a lot.
oh and drift is just quite simply not primarily a "street racing thing", in fact id argue that the ratio of people that drift on the track and people that drift on the street is more favourable towards the track than people that grip race, as mentioned i see people all the time racing through the hills, but rarely do you see people drifting through the hills.
and to put things into perspective, at a drift practice there is about 30% more participants than at a grip practice, and not that its overly relevant to this point, but at drift practice they charge an entry fee for spectators, whereas at the grip practice they dont, even so drift practice reels in at least 4-5 times the amount of spectators.
what bling? im within the drift scene, and the cars on street are either stock looking cars with performance mods, or ghetto looking cars with damage and mismatched panels, rarely do you see a "blinged up" car drifting. these people that sport the big chrome rims, neons, all that BS drive down a main road and try and pick up underage girls, they are not affiliated with any motorsport.
the fashion u see sometimes in Japan is simply some Japs having a crazy taste for cars. as for drift cars on the track, you will see body kits, wheels, decals etc, just like any circuit car, they need to be presented well for sponsors etc.
oh and BTW, you cant argue that street racing is dangerous, whether it be racing, drift, drag racing etc, but once again all motorsports share this side to them. also not all people that race on the street are idiotic kids, even some world famous racers and drifters are seen battling the touge, its a different discipline, but as i said, its often done on closed roads so there is no traffic.
i dont know about slowly...
(id recommend watching all of it, my favourite is at 1:45 where kuroi does a classic kuroi and carries massive angle through the corner)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfWQkkKPKyw
street racer culture is in every motorsport, are you genuinely this ignorant? where do you think racing originated? where do you think drag racing originated, its only fitting this is where drifting originated as well.
i can guarentee you there are a lot more young "street racer" idiots out there racing on the streets and through the hills than drifting in them, guarentee, this is what i see. do we stereotype these people with circuit racers? hell these people are the worst if anything, they have no skill, they've spent all their money on their sound system and then they go through the hills as fast as they can, most people dont have the balls to throw their car sideways in the hills.
would you consider these people in the same category as circuit racing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y10ulifFUUA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6HXocBFlY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JExAS3t42oA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S4OICuZzEQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQLfskVABjg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBYmz7m1Ae4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxWVo6AQChM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCGtLspqwzw
these are just a few vids ive found going through the related vids on youtube, but i think they illustrate my point.
the video you posted up is a classic example of a typical drift session in the hills, they are usually closed off roads that are in the middle of nowhere, what you dont understand is that in Japan there are thousands of roads deep in the hills that will go nights without any traffic, these roads are used by these people as it is rare to see any traffic. of course there are a lot of other times where it isnt in such remote locations and there is traffic. not to defend it, but its a lot better than what these "racers" are doing in the hills with plenty of traffic around and at higher speeds.
its one thing to not like something, its another to insult something with ignorance. you do NOT know the first thing about proper drift, you have said this urself, therefore i would of expected u would try and reserve ur opinion based on ignorance as it only makes urself look bad.
being a victim of buying into a stereotype is certainly nothing to be proud about.
no im not saying there isnt that culture attached, im saying that culture is attached to every motorsport, it is an unfortunate fact and we should be fighting as a whole of the motorsport community, not bitching about the other and putting ourselves on a podium.
ok because some bloke has collected a bunch of random clips and put a hip hop sound track to them, it means? um, that someone that listens to hip hop also likes to watch drift? ok, youve convinced me, there is a person in the world that listens to hip hop and watches drift, you win that argument.
as ive mentioned, i can guarentee you, most of that street racer culture is probably associated with drag racing, think of all the dick heads that sit at the lights revving their engines, dragging off the line, 2ndly would be grip racing through the hills or on the street, there is a massive amount of people i see come through the hills pushing their cars to the limit either racing someone else or just going as fast as they can. lastly would be drifting, how many people do you see from day to day ripping up the handbrake or scandoing in and throwing their car into a corner, sliding through the whole corner?
then i guess you could probably put another category to burnouts and donuts etc, which would be very high, i guess there are burnout competitions, so it would be considered a motorsport.
but i think that all this becomes irrelevant once we recognize that these people simply do not represent what our sports are about.
lol what? so would you say that freestyle motorcross is not considered a sport as opposed to supercross? or figure skating is not a sport as opposed to race skating? hell look at sports such as skateboarding and rollerblading, Bike riding, a lot, if not the majority of the sports using these vehicles are based around style and control rather than racing.
i hate to tell you, but there is a lot more to a sport than simply speed, car control is simply an aspect of driving that drifting focused on, racing focuses on different aspects of driving, neither is superior, they are all just simply different aspects of driving.
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i beleive the person driving the DRIF6 there was the designated driver for the car, the supercar driver was only driving it for promotional purposes.
this is a better video of the car being driven with a proper drifter in it at mallala: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a47M8t8Tm5Q
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yeh, ford typhoon (based off the falcon) 4.0ltr straight 6 turbo, awesome performing car, a little bit faster all round than the V8 models.
the car was actually created specially by a division within FPV for drifting, due to some bs it never really got to do much drifting, and now it spends most of its time at shows etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oOLQ5fyzLI
V8 supercars racer trying to drift haha, apparently not as easy as he thought it would be.
V8 supercars racer trying to drift haha, apparently not as easy as he thought it would be.
no sorry, your post went further than simply describing your preference.
in this post you lumped drifting with Fast and the Furious and donuts and burnouts. what can i say but that donuts are as much a part of racing as drift, watch nascar, hell watch F1, what do they do after they win an event? they do a donut? mm well thats about the same resemblance a donut has to racing as a donut has to drifting, i hardly think drifting around a corner at 100kmh's+ is similar to turning the steering wheel full lock and dropping the clutch in a circle.
fast and the furious? i could be wrong but i beleive the first movie was based around drag racing, and the 2nd was was based around street circuit racing, it was only until the 3rd one until they even touched on drifting. mm so fast and the furious focused on drag racing and grip racing before drift, yet somehow F&F is only associated with drift? mm strange...
dont want drift to affect the serious aspects of the game as a simulator? correct me if im wrong but it simulates driving, drift is one aspect of driving, just like race is another.
also, i think at this point, i should point out that this refusal to go watch a drift event displays the close mindedness that people like yourself are renown for. it comes down to "you will never know if you never go", if you are not willing to go and see drift, you will never know what its all about. until that time you struggle to hold any credibility in my mind.
ok i cbf readin that, but its pretty obvious what double clutching does, syncro's are one part but besides wear its reduces stress on the engine and gearbox having to synchronize, meaning less torque through the drivetrain, meaning the gear change can take place quicker without worrying about putting too much stress on the drivetrain and locking up the drive wheels etc.
putting less torque on the drive wheels means the brake bias is more even.
omg, models in motorsport??? unheard of!!! :O
god your so far from anything remotely resembling truth I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry, i saw your intro thread and thought you seemed like a good bloke, but you certainly are the epitome of ignorance when it comes to this subject.
also, if i read correctly you're coming back to Australia soon? if so throw me a PM and i will let you know about the next drift event in your local area, you will pay between $10-$20 entry, but i beleive it will change your view forever on the sport.
most drift cars are FR, most probably start out turbo when u consider most are turbo imports, theres still actually quite a few drift cars that started AWD, such as the evo, subby, even a few GTR's going around, all converted to RWD obviously, especially in D1 where the rules restrict AWD cars. theres actually a GTR currently being pulled apart and made into a drift car for our national comp over here, but usually u just see them stick with the GTS-t and put a bigger RB in them, once u have a RB25+ in a GTS-t, theres not much point using a GTR instead for drift as ull pay near double for the GTR and you will have to do more work to take out the front drive.
haha cheers, yeh in that vid i was learning handbrake entries as i learnt to do small scando and clutch kick entries first, learning the handbrake has allowed me to build up speed and confidence ready to go back to scando entries, but at higher speeds with more confidence.
mm, i try not to, unfortunately im not going to preach here as im not innocent, but at least when i do go out i go deep into the hills or in the industrials, its a hell of a lot better than doing it around the suburbs and in the city, as far as safety goes as well as giving us a bad reputation, i guess my main issue is people doing it in populated places where people including cops see this behavior and form their opinion of us. around the cityi try and drive as carefully as possible for these reasons as well as the fact that my car is highly defectable.
once again, this comes back to how peoples perception of drifters and imports forms, they see these people in the city revving their engine and putting their foot down out of a corner, this is what the majority sees, these people dont drift, the people that drift are away from populated areas or on the track and are rarely seen by the majority of people. hence people form their opinions based on the wrong people.
haha yeh, probably could have read it through a bit better. and beleive me, i understand how most imports carry the hoon tag, and for the right reason, i dont whinge or complain that i get stereotyped as a hoon for what i drive as it is justified in a lot of cases unfortunately.
and this attitude is how racer gangies get the reputation of being stuck up thinking they are superior.
dickheads on the street putting their foot down coming out of a corner is NOT drift. just like you wouldnt classify people who race through the hills or on the street in the same league as circuit racers, or traffic light racers on the same level as proper drag racing, you can find examples of a shitty ricer culture in all motorsports, just as much so if not more than drifting.
also, MTV generation? i dont see what's bad about a sport being more enjoyable to watch, if its more enjoyable to participate in and more enjoyable to watch, what else do you need?
and yet they still complain about it! i think because ive had a taste of both sports i have a bit more of a level view of things, but a lot of drifters complain about how expensive the sport it, when in reality racing, even at a low level is more expensive, not only have i found race seems to put more stress on the car, and u see more things fail, but uve gotta factor in brake pads, fluids are more critical, tyres are more expensive, although once you get to a decent level your using chewing through a few pairs of brand new tyres each day.
the thing is, drift is more driver orientated, u see top level drifters out in their daily drivers doing some crazy shit and $20,000 personal cars with 200hp competing against $100,000+ team cars with 1000hp, u dont see the same fine tuning to the extent u see with top level racing and not the same $$ being spent. when drift see's more and more $$ ull see the teams spending more and more $$ and you will see some of the fine tuning, but when it comes down to it the driver will be the main deciding factor.
drift is the fastest growing motorsport at the moment, its a fairly new sport to the media so its obviously not as big as others, but it is growing. you think car racing took off over night?
and i can safely sat 2-5 cars going door to door at 100+kmh's sideways is great viewing. the audiences in America, but more importantly other countries grows by every event, more money is being poored into the sport, some teams over here in Australia have spent near 1million on the sport, id imagine in places like America the bill would be even higher.
yeh unfortunately it stretched it in different parts of the car, it doesnt really look that bad in the game so im not too fussed.
no you wouldnt, because they arnt skilled enough yet, because it doesnt take a few days to get to that level, just like you wouldnt expect to go into a race server and find top level drivers eveywhere either.
exactly.
so true. just pushing out the rear is nothing, keeping speed up, controlling the rear end, linking corners, angle etc etc i could go on for ever about the different elements in drift that go into making a decent drifter, once again, unless you drift or follow drift you will never properly understand it and what is involved.
great, u can flick the rear out and make some smoke, congrats, that isnt all drift is about, u simply dont know enough about drift to understand what its really about, so in reality your opinion on the issue is useless.
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