ReportID:
3

Driver Name:
dbpFlip

LFS Licence Name:
Fl!p

Team Name:
drivenbypassion #2

League of Entry:
F504

Report Type:
Unsporting Behaviour

Evidence By:
dbpFlip

Report Details:
Lap 5, I start overtaking Red on the finish straight. When we reach the turn leading under the bridge, he intentionally takes a line that squeezes me against the wall on the right. We have a slight contact. Lap 6, we're exactly in the same situation, but this time he squeezes me even more. Since I have nowhere to go, we have a bigger contact, which makes me bounce and hit the wall. Race ruined again because of f* unfair blocking behavior. If I want to see that level of inferior behavior, I can find it on CTRA. I have no interest in this series if I'm taken out every two races by some kind of baboon!

Supporting Evidence:
See replay, end of laps 5 and 6.

Date of Report:
Jul 3rd, 10:17 PM

Report above was submitted to RaceAlliance at the time stated in the report. There are several points i'd like to comment upon. And I do so within my capacity of Race Director NOT as anything officially to do with RaceAlliance.

Any driver in the series is encouraged to comment also.

As Race Director, I wrote the rules and regulations for the series. To this end, I feel I must point out the following:

1) IGTC Rules and Regulations do not apply in the case of the F504 FormulaBMW league. They have no official standing in any league other than their own series. I understand the comparison, but still, they have no meaning to me.

The main difference is:

The F504 Races DO NOT end when the the leader crosses the start/finish line. The races end when the last person has crossed the start/finish line, and All drivers are presented with a message to inform of the end of the race. The Session end countdown is also there to inform drivers that they are still under racing conditions till that session ends.

Your actions at the end of the Second race of the Third round of the series which saw you driving WD down the track.. were to me (as race director) unacceptable. It showed me a general disregard for the direction of the track. The quickest acceptable way of taking your place on the "podum" would have been to calmly exit the pitlane in the correct direction, and to have completed a lap of the circuit in the correct direction.

In the event of the track being closed or under red, there would be a clearly displayed "Red Flag" button on the bottom of your screen, which you may have seen during some system tests.

None of this btw has ever been a secret or kept from drivers. All drivers who attended the first session of the series were either told or briefed during that first time out. Im sorry that you wasnt able to attend those sessions.

If there are reports to be taken a look at, im positive RaceAlliance will do so, but generally, it is not your responsibility to tell anyone to penalize another. You can offer opinion, but RaceAlliance will make any final decisions. Each case is looked at case by case, as im sure would be expected.

Quote :

You guys shafted me on race one when stoney forced me off in turn 3 even after i gave him room, and I accepted it and took my warning, even though I should be a position up (and on the podium). You shafted me on flip's ridiculous challenge in turn one in which the only possible outcome was flip running wide, and I took that penalty. The least you could do after those two (horrendous in my opinion) decisions, is give me 6 hard earned points back and a pole position due to a lack of information passing.

Firstly, I love the personalization of the "you guys" thats really sweet. Secondly, there appears to be some inconsistancy in your description of things there.

Be careful how you write things Red, people may get the wrong impression of you, or through your actions, others.

In your Counter Report of that situation you stated:

Quote :

He runs wide and makes contact with me and I lose the position.

Yet in this one, you have changed your mind and stated:

Quote :

You guys shafted me on race one when stoney forced me off in turn 3 even after i gave him room,

Regardless of that, I notice generally, you're unwillingness to accept or even start to accept some fault. You say "flip's ridiculous challenge in turn one in which the only possible outcome was flip running wide,"

What would the outcome have been if you had have given flip some room rather than giving him the options of backing off or running down the grass?

We will never know.

Hey Ho! Just my thoughts on this report.

ReportID:
14

Driver Name:
[SCVE]Red

LFS Licence Name:
redexplosion

Team Name:
SCV Exotics

Report Type:
Penalty Appeal

Evidence By:
[SCVE]Red

Report Details:
This is an appeal as to the end of race points deduction due to lack of following end race procedure.

Supporting Evidence:
First and foremost, this report is inconsistent in the simple fact that it warns me for the first offense, and then penalizes me for the next even though no new information was supplied to me in between the time of the two offenses. If you are going to give me a warning for something in order to inform me, then you shouldn't then penalize me before that warning is issued.

Secondly, I present the IGTC's rules.

"8) A race ends when the leader crosses the start/finish line after the 4-hour mark. Drivers must continue driving until the yellow FINISHED text is displayed at the top of the screen. Failure to do so will result in a DNF.

8.1) After completing the race, drivers should follow the SC queue back to the pit lane and park in a pit stall. The podium finishers must assemble at the start-finish line for a podium shot."

The after race procedure is clearly spelled out and is not thrown at the racer while they are in the car in a race. In addition, when presented with the fact that I must be on the podium post haste, I used to most expedient way to get there in trying to follow the race directors instructions. The race track was not open as the report deems as there are no cars in a race and there is a podium ceremony at the start finish line.

That is almost definitively a closed track. For real life evidence I direct you to the Monaco GP, where the podium session takes place on the down hill straight to the hairpins. When the podium ceremony is going on there is a red light on the track. If you are going to use this as the reason to penalize me then I must insist you penalize dbpFlip for todays race as he too reversed on the grid to correct his podium finish. This one is a no brainer.

You guys shafted me on race one when stoney forced me off in turn 3 even after i gave him room, and I accepted it and took my warning, even though I should be a position up (and on the podium). You shafted me on flip's ridiculous challenge in turn one in which the only possible outcome was flip running wide, and I took that penalty. The least you could do after those two (horrendous in my opinion) decisions, is give me 6 hard earned points back and a pole position due to a lack of information passing.

Date of Report:
Jul 3rd, 10:16 PM

Quote from redexplosion :

Stoney,

You should have an appeal coming in on racealliance. It 404's me after I submit it but I think all 7 times I tried it went through last time, so I'm looking for confirmation here. I don't ask for much, so please don't pass over it and just throw it out.

I dont have anything to do with it Red. Once a report is passed to RaceAlliance, it is there for the RACA to review. When they have thier decision, I get an email, and im passed information before presenting it to you.

Quote from redexplosion :

Also, I'd like to point out that there is a HUGE conflict of interest in you being the reportee and the judge with racealliance. If you are going to be running in this series in the future, I think it is important that you find a third party mediation service.

Actually, again, there isnt. RaceAlliance was setup to offer such mediation services to leagues and league administrators. They have a team of 3-4 experienced Sim-Racers who review each and every incident. (Granted with the collapse through lack of community interest in the whole Formula500 idea, they have a lot less to do), but perhaps an explanation of the process would help you.

You submit the report to RaceAlliance. Upon this, I get an email informing me that a new report has been submitted (that way I know to wait to do the results or not). Next, once the Report has been reviewd, I get another email explaining the report, any penalties or other RaceAlliance findings. Then I can create the reports, and publish the results.

I created RaceAlliance to remove the stupid and frankly annoying accusations of Bias. I do not do anything for RaceAlliance except host the website. The identity of the Experienced Sim Racers are not released, however, they are not in the F504 Series (which isnt hard as there aint exactly many of us).

Quote from redexplosion :

Race 3 left a very bad taste in my mouth, as I felt that you catered to your team in your decision making process. As you can see though, I'm still here and racing and that is because I think you have a good thing here. It needs to be polished a bit; and that shows, but I enjoy racing with everyone in the series so far (even though this race you were rather cold with your responses to fairly simple inquiries).

Regarding coldness to simple inquiries.. you just said it yourself, they are simple and in most cases already cated for on the forums (the website too, when it was running). Im experienced in League Administration. This aint the first series ive ran, so please believe me when I say, simply inquires get annoying if one has spent a good portion of one's time providing answers for someone to come ask in server. (General rule of thumb: Server = Racing. Forum = Questions/Answers).

Again, im not involved in the decision making process of RaceAlliance, which im guessing you are again refering to.

Quote from redexplosion :

In conclusion, really take a look at the appeal. It's a fair deal. And please please please update your information into one spot. Having to go to email, the forum, and racesim to find information is trying at best.

Trying.. lmao. Really!
Here is a better idea, why dont I just stop everything ive ever done, and wait (and wait and wait and wait etc), for someone who clearly has more of a clue than I do to come and do it for me?

Why? Because its simply not going to happen, thats why. The simple truth is that no body cares. The Formula500 Dying was a clear representation of that.

You get an email, once, weekly, which im sorry, isnt a bloody inconvience to recieve or go check. The email gives you important details, details which I dont wish to publish on the forums or a website perhaps.

Else you have the forums. The forums are for discussion, and that is what is found here. A thread (one thread) is provided per week for that week's rounds. Everything related to that week's rounds are posted in that thread..

So so far we have 1) One thread to check, and 2) One email to check... 5 minutes tops.

Next are the results. Well frankly, I like the way the results look. Its something which a forum is not designed for. And the forums look crap for displaying results. People will disagree, that is personal preference. My preference is to not use the forums to display my results.

In summary.. Please please please be careful when making comments or accusations about people. Perhaps it would have been an idea to ask how RaceAlliance operates rather than presuming Bias or Catering towards anyone in particular. - But thats totally selfish, as in it may stop me going to bed in a bad mood once in a while. Of course, I could just not read this, or other threads, or I could not make a reply. Like some other people.

Sorry, just not the way I am.

Well now that Z is out.. guess what..

See you on Z. Details in the email which will go around tomorrow.

Appeal via the reporting system if you must. Exactly were you got bias from tho red is quite supprising.

See you tomorrow.

The actual main page of RaceAlliance no longer exists, racealliance.net will give you a near-blank screen. If you are looking for the reporting link again, it is in your other thread.

RaceAlliance still operates its Court of Appeal, but results of these reports have been published via RaceSIM.co.uk and its result pages.

I cant think what else you would require RaceAlliance for.

NOTE: Thursday 3rd July 2008's race will take part on LFS Version Y. Make sure your LFS client is compatable with LFS Version Y.

There is no excuse.

Yet another reason to stop bothering. Sorry for taking your time Sam.

Last edited by mkinnov8, Tue, 1 Jul 2008 01:41.

Surely you mean Willing to learn and practice hard. Good luck with your search, but some free advice, dont go for the teams which offer you a place. Pick a team you wish to join, join them on track for a few weeks (3-4 usually good amount), get to know them and develop a relationship.

Then apply to join them, and only them. A targeted approach will normally bring more satisfaction to yourself, and will allow the targeted team to see what they are getting.

RaceSIM F504 FormulaBMW Series

Round Four
Races 7 & 8
South City Classic

Race One: 60 KM (28 Laps)
Race Two: 60 KM (28 Laps)

Round Four... Back to clean and friendly please!

Session Details:

Thursday's sessions will be operated by the F500 Race Director software.

Emails to go out on Thursday Afternoon.

Good Morning Gentlemen,

www.racesim.co.uk

RaceSIM has released the Confirmed Results of Round Three of the Series. You can view them over at their website. Once you hit the RaceSIM website, just click the Banner of the series you are entered in, and you will be taken to the Results Website for that Series, in this case, the F504 FormulaBMW Series.

From there, to navigate, simply click on a round.. Round Three will show you the latest round results etc.. From that tab, there are two links.. One to Results of that round and the other to Current Standings.

You can Download Replays of the Events of the F504 Series from the Round One Results Page/Link.

Report Closed.

RaceAlliance have been notified of this report and will be making their decision shortly. All results of this report and others will be posted on these forums along with any ammended results from RaceSIM shortly.

Thread Closed.

Report Closed.

RaceAlliance have been notified of this report and will be making their decision shortly. All results of this report and others will be posted on these forums along with any ammended results from RaceSIM shortly.

Thread Closed.

Report Closed.

RaceAlliance have been notified of this report and will be making their decision shortly. All results of this report and others will be posted on these forums along with any ammended results from RaceSIM shortly.

Thread Closed.

Official Results have been DELAYED. Expect these to be released by Monday 30th June 2008. My Appologies for the delay.

Counter Report

ReportID:
7, 8, 9, 10, 11 & 12

Driver Name:
[SCVE]Red

LFS Licence Name:
redexplosion

Team Name:
SCV Exotics

League of Entry:
F504

Report Type:
Unfair Decision

Evidence By:
League Forum

Video Evidence:
N/A

Report Details:
No league post race procedures. I can't follow a "rule" if it does not exist in the regulations.

Supporting Evidence:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=43859 (Series Regulations)

Date of Report:
27th June 2008 @ 9:44pm

Counter Report

ReportID:
6

Driver Name:
[SCVE]Red

LFS Licence Name:
redexplosion

Team Name:
SCV Exotics

League of Entry:
F504

Report Type:
Unsporting Behaviour

Evidence By:
[SCVE]Red

Video Evidence:
Forthcoming

Report Details:
Stoney and I run cleanly down the entire straight, until the kink at which point Stoney continues straight and I follow my path down the center of the track. Contact is made but we continue on. At turn in Stoney clearly is making a passing attempt and due to this I take my "unusual line" as to give him room. He runs wide and makes contact with me and I lose the position.

Supporting Evidence:
Replay File (see previous report)

Date of Report:
27th June 2008 @ 9:36pm

If you are going to make accusation's, please have proof to back yourself up, or failing that, answer truethfully:

• The server sent 2 messages to you (and everyone else).
  
• Shortly after the message, you Telepitted.
  

For the moment, thats all im prepared to say to this matter.

At the end of the racing session (you can check the first race of the session replay for proof of this), at the end of the racing session, there are messages to announce to drivers that they must return to the pitlane and THEN spectate.

Pay attention to the screen while racing. Everyone else managed it fine. Also, can I ask, at the end of a real life motor race, what usually happens, do the cars just stop on track?

The end of race proceedure does not require writing into the rules, which are there for guidelines generally for driver safety. Perhaps you should have been alerted to the behaviour of the other drivers on the track..

5.2 When overtaking into corners, the overtaking driver must have half of their car half way along the drivers door to be considered to have “overlap” for the corner. At which point, the driver being overtaken must leave sufficient room for the passing driver to try and make the pass.

The move was not attempted on a corner, the front "straight" as it were. The incident happend approaching the corner, not in the corner.

There is also something called Track Awareness.. this is being aware of where others are on the track in relation to yourself. Track Awareness is a skill, therefore it is not required to be written into any rulebook.

Being aware of where you are and where your fellow drivers are can make or break a race for all drivers. Leaving space for others, and not forcing them to either back off or run onto grass, is a skill which makes the difference between a gentleman or an arsehole.

10.1 The driver behind has the responsibility of not running into the back of the car in front. Bump drafting is NOT permitted.
Slipstreaming is a perfectly acceptable racing move.

The above does not apply, as the driver in question was not behind your car, nor did they run into the back of it.

URL updated, Sorry.

Please have your report in by midnight tonight for it to be included this time around.

ReportID:
5

Driver Name:
dbpFlip

LFS Licence Name:
Fl!p

Team Name:
drivenbypassion #2

League of Entry:
F504

Report Type:
Unsporting Behaviour

Evidence By:
dbpFlip

Video Evidence:
Forthcoming

Report Details:
Red pushes me on the grass before T1 on lap 2 to prevent me from passing him, which causes me to spin and loose positions and a lot of time. It was completely unnecessary because he had the inside line for the first corner and could have protected his position easily in T1. After the race he also claimed that it was his right because my car wasn't 50% along his (which is both wrong and never a justification to try to crash someone out).

Supporting Evidence:
Replay File (attached)
Video to Follow

Date of Report:
26th June 2008 @ 10:11pm

ReportID:
4

Report Type:
Unsporting Behaviour

Evidence By:
F500 Race Director Software

Video Evidence:
None Supplied.

Report Details:
At the end of both racing sessions this evening, Red ignored post-race proceedure, and Shift+S Spectated. In the second Race Red is asked to rejoin to take his position in 3rd place on the start/finish line. To do this Red exits the pit lane then turns around driving in the wrong direction to the start/finish line, turns around and takes his position. This is both incorrect and dangerious.

Supporting Evidence:
Replay File(s) (attached)
F500 Race Director Software DB Dump (attached)

Date of Report:
26th June 2008 @ 9:56pm

ReportID:
3

Driver Name:
dbpStoney

LFS Licence Name:
mkinnov8

Team Name:
drivenbypassion #1

League of Entry:
F504

Report Type:
Unsporting Behaviour

Evidence By:
dbpStoney

Video Evidence:
Forthcoming

Report Details:
On lap 8/17 exiting the first chicane, dbpStoney gets a run at Red. He runs alongside (fully) down the length of the straight. At this point Red runs over into Stoney several times, resulting in Stoney (who is more than half way along side Red) having to back off for the corner. In the corner, Red makes a mistake on entry and is off the usual line, Stoney sees a gap and puts his car there. Stoney is again at least half way along side Red when Red turns into the corner. The resulting contact sent Red offline more, and he runs into the gravel.

Supporting Evidence:
Replay File (attached)
Video to Follow

Date of Report:
26th June 2008 @ 10:11pm