Again, looking at this as more of a mainstream user than the hardcore, Tim looks like he does need to do some legwork. And it seams plenty of paths have been suggested.

Tim get a license, start down the path and if you get stuck, ask for assisatance. I'm sure you taking a step, instead of just expecting someone to carry you will go a VERY long way. Coming on here as a Demo User certainly raises eyebrows and will set off lots of peoples sad/scared/hurt/betrayed/hateful sensors. Another Thing Tim, will you be providing the servers/hosting/teamspeak/etc for the LFS races? practice servers in between races, etc? That would be a very good second step.

Becky I don't know what you have done or haven't, again I don't "live" for speed. I do enjoy it VERY much and would like to see it have thousands online. if not tens of thousands of racers, not the few hundred now. Stats show 585 as the max for the last 1/2 year. That is really sad to me becuase it is so great. If that number was doubled, that would be amazing.


Also, there are lots of insinuations that Tim is a "bad, bad" person. If so, please tell us. If my neighbor criminally destroys my property and drives off laughing, I'm going to talk to my other neighbors and unless there is a very good reason, or apology, everyone is going to know, and then folks know to steer clear and why. If he just won the lottery and returns with profuse apologies, repairs it and offers a wad of cash for his temporary overwhelming joy and loss of his senses, you can be more understanding. Either way there is always at least two sides to every story.

Please to either put this to rest and have Tim move on, what is the "big issue" specifically, or to have R2P maybe bring more folks to the "enlightened" side, offer Tim more suggestions than beratings.

This, as many things here, is where a lot of folks are wathing and curious, but prefer to watch, not get involved. I'm just stepping up becuase as a US racer who very much enjoys a *REALISITIC* simulation (and G25 support!) would enjoy more people to enjoy ther virtual tracks with. AS in real life going to my local motorport country club, on days when only a couple people show up, it's very very boring. When each session has 20+ folks, it may not be a "fast" day, but the traffic and discussions between sessions are what really bring you back, it's the people. No matter how good the facility, or the simulation, it's the people and there fun to be around nature that brings people back, and they in turn bring others as well.

Especially during this season of good will, can't we enjoy a Merry Christmas and look beyond berating other people, and taking everything as a personal attack and focus and enjoy the postive qualities?

On this, I'm going to take my steps to learn more about the STCC. I dont' see any big red flags on the R2P site, regisitered, and will just for the sake of "having tried" the other offerings, run an event or two ( unfortunately not with LFS it looks like right now ) to see what its like.

Good Tidings everyone!

Quote from tombarlin :

This has turned into the MOST pointless thread in the world. its all down to Inderviduals opinions. I love lfs for its realism BUT i can also say it sometimes annoys me just because of some of the people who use the game (i.e wreckers and people with bad attitude) As much as i like playing this game/sim (whatever you call it) it just depends what kind of a mood im in. I havent really played the other games but im pretty sure i could have just as much fun playing them as i do playing this. It is all just what you look for in a game and i dont think slating other games or people as ive seen you lot do on here already is going to help attract people to this game if you carry on like this all that will end up happening is the lfs community spliting into two or three groups (Which as far as i can see has already started happening)

I agree with this. This he, us, they , them, is really immature. If a neighbor was going to start a business building furniture and asked can I borrow a saw and one of your benches, are you going to give them the third degree becuase they plan to make money with a bit of your helpful lending? sheesh.

I enjoy LFS and think it has the most realistic physics going, adn would also liek more folks to enjoy them as well. This R2P seams to be possibly able to help that, epsecially in the US, where there is too much marketing of crap toy racing *games* to get through to many folks. yah ayh, there loss, who cares right.. well I like to enjoy a full server. I also like to spend a lot of time on real tracks as well. Getting a sanctioning body to use/promote LFS can help, I'm not even seeing any official ties.

Tim should pick up license to S2, it's 24 pounds, at the very least a concession, and more so to be familiar and comparitve of what other bits offer and there comprable quality.

The locals here should stop being so seperatist/elitist. I don't know history and insinuations goign on here, and I don't care. If you have private issues with folks, deal with them privately. If you have a beef with someone, deal with it in therapy on your dime. For every person posting there are dozens reading and just shaking there heads.

This community often from most people looks very much like the If your not with us, your against us mentaility..

The other thing LFS seams to almost caters and directs it self towards is penny pinching. I think LFS is worth more than what I've paid, so I bought license for friends simply becuase they aren't informed and have too many important obligations to attend to, and becuase I wanted to give more than was asked in price. At the same time I can't wait and wish I could in someway offer more to help speed along some other pieces of development. My family time comes first, though so forking over a couple extra bucks is what I've done so far.

Again if Tim is still around, get a license, do a little leg work, it will take less time and be more productive than typing in these froums.

Local Folks, sttep back and look at a bigger picture, it does appear there is a lot of selfish elitism which is real unattractive.

Don't we all want LFS to grow? feature wise. and community size and quality wise? Can't we make suggestions to this end instead of every reason not to. Come on.

So it's just wear, no damage. I thought I had blown them and yeah thinking back it was from doing a lot of silly sliding and burnouts/donuts. Temp is very noticabale ( F9 - but its there anythign out there to explain the numbers on this display? - Ahhh THanks - http://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/D ... Tyre_temperature_.26_wear ) I mostly run the GT car with slicks, but haven't been running more than about 10 or so laps and haven't over heated them or over worn them when lapping clean.

They do seam to be unrealistic in the time it takes to get the up to temp, seams to usually take on average 2-3 laps. maybe it's just I'm used to ambiant 100'F and much hotter track temps 130'F in real life and these virtual courses are probably considerably cooler? 60'F? is the track surface temperature modeled? Is that maybe why it takes so long? the effect of sunning heating up the tarmac beyond ambiant isn't there to conduct heat? just the air convection?

Did LFS at one point handle tires blowing out, or does it now and I am missing it?

Also Does LFS support flat spots? Maybe I'm just not beating my rides up enough pounding over everything I can see, but when I do get the red mist and wad up a ride, it's suprising the tires are still connected to the car, they are still rolling, and they aren't even at 0psi.

So I am assuming that the wheels/brakes/tires are taking no damage at all. Is this correct, ro what am I missing? Thanks.

Is there anyway to disable the LODing, so that you can maintain the highest detail at all times? Or at least allow the LODing to to be set to 4.00 or 2.1 for mirrors? Same thing with shadows,etc.

As machines get faster it would be nice to be able to toggle on off bypass checks that reduce "effects"/polys and just the the maximum visual quality.

I prioritize the top 5 as:
1. Track Editor - Even simple piece simalar to like Roller Coaster Tycoon.
2. Dynamic Weather - Rain, Snow, Fog that change.
3. Dynamic Track Surfaces, grip level changes as rubber is laid down, washed away, oil spilled.
4. Car Editor - Some chassis component Configurations, Tq Curve, FWD, AWD, RWD, Diffs, Weights, Suspension Types.
5. Some tweaks to Physics/Drivetrain/Suspension capabilites.

Triple Red Turtle Shells!