you cant unless you want to get a darwin award
main reason is that you actually care about your life in a track than in lfs..

gtr 2
its free(nowdays)
there are tons of mods for it (some really high quality..if you like historical models too..)
kids dont play it because they dont even know about it
and it doesnt have too much of a community (worse than lfs but it still going)

then is lfs (or was or or or..)

the good thing with iracing is the payment model that is the main reason that you dont get idiots/kids/divebombers/jihadists

(i personally think that achivements is the worst things that could happen to them game genre as a whole..suddenly you see rankwhores and achievement whores everywere destroying the fun )

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Not quite, considering an iPhone actually has functionality unlike iRacing.

well wrong point

you pay a lot just to be fancy

iracing is like iphone only for hippies that doesnt know better

since there is people around playing its not dead
lfs is mature enough to move on

or they could change everything and let you pay for example

10 bucks to get access to one car turbo
10 bucks for aerodynamics
20 for suspension
100 to get your own setup
finally since this model will slowly rise up to EA levels each skin will be 200 bucks
also pit stops will be like real life you want fresh tyres and more fuel? well pay them with real life currency exchange!


(also you will need a sponsor for the car)

iracers think they are uber alles from the day iracing got live nothing new here

i mean i even saw people that plays eurotruck saying that is better than lfs

problem is with or without knowing everyone is comparing lfs to almost every other sim out there and there is a good reason for that no need to go further with fanboys or the ori version of sim players

well my personal exp from iracing/simraceway/raceroom/ac (i spend some time on each of those to learn (the least was 4 weeks 2 days for pagani zonda r in ac what a machine its sticks to the road) after a hell of a lot changes in driving style and adjusting things here and there it made my comeback to lfs very tricky in some various cars it was frustrating to say the least i was constantly 1-2 sec below my pb's

one more thing is

dont play lfs and then jump to another sim or "sim" and try to learn it and then go back to lfs..especially when the other game requires learning like (simraceway and iracing..)

well racing experience is on steam these days so lets see how it will goes and its free to play..

Quote from JasonJ :

From my experiences.
Any patches that come out for a DVD original version take much longer to be supported on the steam version. (GTR-Evo)Then you have half the users on a different version and forums related to that software get clogged with confused people trying to run updates on steam versions or vice versa.

I've had one steam game (ShaunWhite), it never included the patch required to MAKE THE GAME WORK so I had to do backflips to install the official downloadable patch over the steam version.
Steam installs in it's own file structure so most user created mods/addons won't even work.
Also sometimes stuff is supported on the steam version and NOT on the DVD version. (DCS:BS)

I constanly read:
I have steam version it works fine for me and others can't make it work.
or
I have DVD version it works fine and others can't make it work.


If you are unfortunate enough to have bought the wrong version then tough.........

My experiences with it are enough to make me never want to touch it again.

It's annoying. They should either release something fully supported on Steam AND DVD or not at all, or just on Steam only. Not half assed mishmashed poo just so they can turn a few more $$$.

so steam sucks because the publisher and the devs of each game dont give steam devs the patches to be released the same day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37OWL7AzvHo

one way to rebound lfs is to open the game for mods
i mean dont get me wrong the game is superb but after all this years the same cars and tracks are a bit boring

we waited 15 years for duke nukem to be released i think we can wait a few more time for an update to come..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFcRhZee0XY&NR=1

for fxr

Quote from tristancliffe :

but how can you roll a Helicopter? You'd need to have two or more forces acting on it, which isn't possible according to you... It would rip the chopper apart...

@BBT : No, I spend my money on 'proper' leisure activities, so can't afford to rent something I might use once a month... If I don't go racing or flying then it costs me nothing.

my lack at english dont let me explain what im think clearly
a loop has a single force
a barrel roll has two force yes but they cant act together i dont know how to explain it better (the moment when you change from the roll to do the loop simply the one force change to another you cant have them both in real life
unless ofc if we are speaking so many days about the foundamental 4
thurst drag weight gravity in that way i am very wrong

Quote from Forbin :

You'd be retarded to put any helicopter upside down near mountains.

well dont tell that to me..hellenic air force sure know something more about the terrain here but after one accident we have with one apache loaded with some weird new missile (dont know the name it was a test for the air force)they banned most of the "dangerous" moves we have lost many of them at aegean sea because of that little problem with turkey

apache can do a barrel roll nearly with out fuels for 4.5g and pulls out with 3
its commonly used here in exercises when you ran into mountains just like here..

Quote from tristancliffe :

Well, he can talk around most of the lap, even when pulling several gs, so can probably breathe to do that. But he confirmed that during heavy braking you can't breathe (on purpose). Which is what I said.

But you're still wrong about the forces bit.

I don't think I need to join a Renault club or go on Youtube. I can try it up to about 2.5g myself, and if I want to know about more I can ask family friends (which might include one or two ex (but not that long ago) F1 drivers) or people in EuroBOSS that I know, or perhaps my flying instuctor who was a successful military pilot?

i can too nearly 4.3 in apache heli
you are going for atpl?

yes im posting shits..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMloWN-AZcw
if you cant understand me then check this one..

yes ofc it can be but in the corner you get much more
1)g force from braking
2)lat force (if it have a bank a vertical one)
4)possible acc force
but as i said in real world you cant have 2-3 force joined unless you are able to do that thing schumacher did with sls in that way you will have 2 and maybe 3 forces(but the only thing in the world that could do it is an f1 car i think )

if you want you can go to the renault racing dept with a club just like i did with my friend
they passed us from a lot of test really lots of them in order some of us drive one formula type car
they said to us that the f1 driver are trained to do that in a special way(they didnt told us)because the head in a corner takes a lot of lateral and verical(because the turn i bit to adjust the force in the neck) and they dont need air that time inside them

show me one example with two forces in practical way..


and no they cant breath because they learned that way go ask a trainer for that..

yes but the problem is that those combined force can only exist for ms not even a second because imagine two force equally combined in one signle matter it would be teared up in seconds due to the basic law of relativity
as you imagine two forces of gravity in one matter cant be exist (because the moment that the car turn and bank boom the lat force just became vert)
but in theory if an f1 car or a jet fighter could combine 2 gravity forces and assume that the jet could fly at 999.999 speed of light we will have the first time traveler

(two gravity force will produce two anti gravity forces forcing the object to speed up like hell until they reacy the time limit)

they can breath only at slow corners

Quote from lizardfolk :

I dont think skill really has much to do with it. If presented with the limitations of the machine (in terms of generating G-Forces that is), there isn't anything anyone can really do about that. Schumacher or Senna wouldn't necessarily be able to pull more Gs from the IndyCars compared to IndyCar drivers. Mansell and Piquet were both in IndyCars and they weren't necessarily achieving blinding speed in them. Heck, after Mansell's stellar rookie season in CART, he started to fade and became as accident prone as Andretti in F1.

The fact that there hasnt been any successful F1 driver crossovers to IndyCar (and I'm talking about the IndyCar we know today...which started in 1996 compared to old CART or ChampCar) speaks to that as well. We'll see how Sato does in the new IndyCar.

Also, greater G-Forces doesn't necessarily translate into more skill. It's a tendency...but not necessarily a rule. I mean Rally drivers experience less Gs than F1 drivers yet Rally drivers have much more driving skill over F1. Same applies to Touring Car, relatively slow series...but not necessarily lesser in skill compared to GT or even open wheel

higher lat g force=grip=good chasis=pilot can run the hell out of the machine

Quote from tristancliffe :

Try reading the whole thread mate!

F1 can pull 5 -6 g laterally, whilst the Cart/Indycars apparently pull 9g total including the vertical component of road camber, not purely laterally. The Cart/Indycars are unable to generate the same purely lateral component of acceleration due to the lower technology and heavier weight of the cars (and lower skill of the drivers).

you cant put a sum in the forces because you cant have two forces at the same time.. thats why all of this is wrong and let me explain my self
look that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9YtD1jw_Qw
(they are with anti g suits as you can see)
imagine that you are a pilot in a f16 you have the needed space to make a mistake..
imagine a f1 pilot that isnt training to g forces only with special crafted machines built it for every pilot that trains only the hump not the head its self if they take their foor from the gas the time that they hit 9.0g they will hit 10-11 due to the others forces aerodynamic brake etc etc its impossible as you can see
(aim 120 missile can turn at 14g...)
and those driver dont have anti g so they will black you almosta twice as fast as a pilot with anti g..
and the most important thing..
pilots can breath in the flight
f1 pilots dont breath at corners/acc/brake i suppose in cart indy car too
spa and the turkish grand prix is the best track to see the effect of the gravity at f1 the bank at those consecutive corners is 22 at the apex and 19 at the upper corner do the maths to see the force of y axis for the 5 sec

thats why in f1 they make your blood run in a high pressure because they can carry out a lot g than a normal human

Quote from MadCat360 :

Shuttle takeoff is 3 G until the main boosters quit. That's the same as an aircraft carrier launch.

The CARTs at Texas were pulling over 9 G combined. For long periods, that's a lot to take.

over 9000 short of?...
man do you know what is 9g?
the formula 1 pull out 6-7 g and a cart who has less traction can pull 9 g? ffs
they just couldnt take it they arent physicaly ready for that