it's not realistic.
in a real life scenario you can nudge yourself out of that.

it would be a shame for one single mistake to end a race like that

the thing is, tristan said that if you thrash a wankel from cold it will die pretty much on the spot, or sustain serious damage. that's not what happens with every engine though... a typical fourstroke will just have its life shortened.

i've been mistreating my lancia's 1.4 8v for years now, the whole car is about to fall apart but the engine still goes on without a single hiccup, after 100K km.

the whole discussion that ended up to ECUs etc started with this comment:

Quote from 5haz :

Thats more or less the same with any machine.

i say that no, it is not the same with any machine and to back that up i say that there are machines now that do not allow you to mistreat them.

that's it.

if you are saying that a user can find some way to screw the engine... yeah ok, but then we go back to what tristan said... a wankel no matter how well engineered can not hope th achieve the reliability of a usual four stroke.

for instance, the cb500 has an engine that can go 200000km with nothing but the usual oil/sparkplug replacing.

Last edited by george_tsiros, Sun 30 Aug 2009, 18:02.

Quote from Qurpiz :

berzerker ftw

Quote from 5haz :

If engines always need ECUs, what did they do 50 years ago?

"always need" is different from "always needded". anyway i said "needs".

small difference to the eyes, but significant difference in meaning.

which brings us to:

Quote from 5haz :

A Carburettor/Metering Unit and Mechanical Distrubitor can do the jobs that an ECU does, although perhaps less accurately.

here's what an Engine Control Unit does. since modern engines that have an ecu don't have carburators... i don't know what you said.

Quote from 5haz :

And a normal ECU has no control over wether you decide to bury your foot or not.

i don't know what a "normal ECU" is... are you talking about, say, the ecu like one found in a renault clio? a normal car of today? the accelerator pedal does not control the machine directly. so while it might not have any say in your foot burying it can very damn well ignore it if it wants.

and it will.

Last edited by george_tsiros, Sun 30 Aug 2009, 14:45.

i ain't gonna reply to that in here.

an engine needs an ecu, otherwise it is incomplete. it won't even start. irrelevant if the engine goes in a boat in a bike or wherever.

and i said that ECUs don't/won't allow thrashing of the engine, irrelevant if one is driving a car a boat a plane or whatever.

he might be undecided yet
or he has one already

who knows

i'd say good rig... i have my disagreements, but each one with his own machine

Quote from G!NhO :

It's basicly 2 V8's joined together, so it's a W16 not a V8.

the weineck cobra doesn't have a w16. it has a 12.9L v8. the veyron has a w16. hrtburnout isn't talking about the veyron.

the veyron outputs 1250Nm 1024hp out of a quadturbocharged injected 16cylinder engine. the cobra outputs 1450Nm(*) 1200hp out of a naturally aspirated carburated 8cylinder engine.

i'd say the v8 takes the cake.

Quote from Klutch :

Then you have to ask youreself why you're thrashing around a family hatchback.

we're talking about engines here, not cars.

*: actual figure up to debate it seems, ranges from 1450 to 1760

Last edited by george_tsiros, Sun 30 Aug 2009, 12:59.

how about an extra button for the mrt only, where the driver reaches down and pushes the car a bit backwards?

realistic, practical, reasonable

Quote from Rotareneg :

Opel designed

Quote from Rotareneg :

engine made by Daewoo

:vomit:

anyway! till tomorrow guys i am running on fumes here... :sleep1:

64hp/l is really... uninspiring

looks tidy though.

also to get to neutral, you need to shift down from 1st

yeah it's different than it is on a motorcycle but... on a motorcycle, neutral is between 1st and 2nd... can't do that with keyboard

oh, the double irony

Quote from brt900 :

edit they look crap on da tube

i can't seeeeeeeee!!!

Quote from Bose321 :

Seconded.

DO IT!!111oneoenene With crossfire on it

yeah but crossfire only on the 4WD cars

poor guy got confused

hope now he understands...

hazaky, please, roll off on the throttle a bit, k?

no, not really.

some ECUs don't allow thrashing/mistreating your engine. (and if they don't do that today, wait for it)

it's not like the older days when you could go WOT, through the redline and stay there, grinning like a madman

it's not only the number of moving parts that determines the reliability of an engine.

the wankel may very well have one moving part only, but the apex seals wear down like there's no tomorrow.

seconded

so titanium is in the category of "stem cells or some exotic ridiculously expensive material" ?

Quote from Shotglass :

i dont and im pretty sure the f1 rods are lighter since theyll be made from stem cells or some other exotic ridiculously expensive material

from the FIA regulations

@5.14.3

Quote :

Connecting rods must be manufactured from iron or titanium based alloys

and the materials that are forbidden anywhere in the engine, unless explicitly allowed:
@5.13.1

Quote :

magnesium alloys, metal matrix composites, intermetallic materials, alloys with more than 5% b.w. of berylliu, iridium or rhenium.

i repeat:

are you sure for what you said?

and to stay on topic



~1000hp out of a 12.9L, N.A., carburated engine.

veyron who?

allow me to give an example

suppose the devs don't have the resources to improve the selfshadowing/lighting of the cars

hypotheticaly speaking if i were to write a couple shaders that took care of that, i could send them in, the team could try it for 5 minutes or so and if it works, great. if it doesn't, no big loss.

i gave an example. it is not a good example. please don't try to prove that the whole idea is wrong or impossible because the example i gave is not a good example.

thanks for the rating.