Quote from Joku123 :

That's exactly what we did in last GT1WS race.

Errrmhhhmmhhgerrrrd great minds.

Hmmm this gives me an idea. Run the first stint of a race, put the slower driver in, you run the tool, get the other guy to timeout, come back in with a better set... PROFIT!! Wooo I want to be race manager of a team again now. Full of bright ideas me.

Woohoo!!!!

Best sim of all time.

Quote from Senninha25 :

Well done to Ray, Matt and Nate for bringing their cars home in the Top 10 and Remco for holding on until the finish. It felt great to see you three finally unlocking your potential for these races without getting into trouble

IMO Nathan did that in the 500 already. It's a strange feeling cheering on Ray at the end of the race. It feels like I've been in a parallel universe.

All drivers who were running at the time of the server failure, please return to the server.

Quote from Yuusei :

#911 late because im amazing, and too lazy to make him his own skin

Ahahaha!

Quote from Gerdoner :

Oi! Ofc he was
Salo was / is my fav F1 driver since the '97 Monaco GP

It's because your driving is bs xoxox

So the 2003 Jordan was a fast car was it?

Quote from Rappa Z :

Relative to Ferrari, everything was slow in 2002.

Williams were pretty close on several occasions, but were hampered by high tyre wear/BMW grenades.

I don't see where I've changed my opinion. The 2002 car won a race, but that doesn't mean it wasn't slow.

Quote from BlueFlame :

CSF you retard.

The 2004 car was the only one that was a 'disaster' but it still won a race.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_Grand_Prix_results


Check your facts before you start to spew bs just because you hate everything and everyone in F1 because your sugar daddy Schumacher isn't in the sport anymore cos he's past it.

Thank you failflame, I'm aware it won a race, that was the B car which was introduced at the French Grand Prix. It still wasn't a world beater.

I'd argue his season at Toro Rosso in 2008 was very good...

Seeing a driver in a bad car often doesn't teach us much. If the car's a stinker its a stinker. Look at 2009, Lewis didn't really do much that season until the B spec car in Germany and his head was suddenly up.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Vast majority?

The majority of McLaren's pre-2007 poor form were due to reliablity not because the car was slow.

Utter disaster? I think not.

I think McLaren's unreliability is overstated because of the 2005 car. That was the only genuinely quick car they produced between 2001 and 2006.

2001 was good in phases, but had an inherent design flaw with the front wing that meant they were third best at a fair number of tracks.

2002 awfuly slow car, well of Ferrari and Williams.

2003 Newey's car never raced, an unmitigated failure on grand scale. MP4-17D was the most consistent car, but was not an Adrian Newey car.

2004 Terrible car for pretty much the whole season.

2005 - Best car speed wise, but not the best package

2006 - Third best, occasionally behind others too.

2007 Red Bull - Middle of the midfield.

2008 Red Bull - Probably the worst Red Bull since they took over from Jaguar.

So, yes, Newey produced one World beater between 2001 and 2008.

Quote from Intrepid :

And yes it would be nice to see Vettel in a car not designed by a freakin' genius. But I guess it's easier for Vettel to take the easy route. it's a shame because it would be nice to see how he compares against a decent team mate in an average car.

Thing is, this is probably Newey's first consistent period since the early 90's. The vast majority of his McLaren's were utter disasters, as were his first two Red Bulls. He really didn't have a handle on the latter pre 2009 era car packages. When he's good, he's good, but when he's bad he's utterly stinking. Due a stinker with the new rules I suspect.

Do you still have a server?

Quote from sinbad :

I don't mind that Vettel did it.. .. the team probably should or there's not much point in them asking. Vettel has proven that he can't pass his team-mate cleanly every time, so you can understand their concern.
What annoys me is his crocodile tears afterwards. "Wahh I'm so sad that I did it, it doesn't feel like a win, I regret it, it was a mistake". Balls. If you have 20 minutes to continue to contemplate your decision, whilst leading a race after making a quite sternly defended overtake against the instructions of your team, at least have the guts to stand by your decision, don't turn on the puppy dog face and pretend it was a brief moment of madness.

It's almost what the post race podiums are made for. It's far better than after PR have got to them, still coming out and claiming it was the drivers call to move over. Raw confused emotion. Brilliant.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/spo ... rders-at-Silverstone.html


The similarity is amazing, the difference is Mark didn't make it.

Please enlighten the forum then professor flame.

Quote from BlueFlame :

WTF. You just missed the point entirely.

No, I'm using your logic against you. It's apparently Webber and Newey's fault that Seb is winning as they developed a superb package. However, you seem to also want to forget that Webber was at RBR in 07 and 08 and in 08 they were behind STR, driven by Vettel. I guess that was DC's fault rather than Mark's and Adrian's? Or did you just not actually have a point? Maybe Seb joining RBR was the final piece in the jigsaw that David and Adrian built. Hmm. David Coulthard master of all Red Bull. Nice.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Ye Mateschitz and Webber are close but I think Dietrich understands that fundamentally the 2009 and subsequent cars were children of Newey and Webber and that Vettel wouldn't have jack if it wasn't for Webber.

Does this mean that the 2008 STR was great because of Vettel, but the 2008 RBR wasn't good because of DC?

Quote from BlueFlame :

It was a mistake you mong, not like Schumacher putting people out of the race on purpose.

Nah he did it on purpose didn't he.

Quote from BlueFlame :

What do you expect, it's CSF he's a Schumacher fan. What does he know about good racecraft?

I certainly know that wasn't great racecraft from Fernando yesterday.

Quote from IsaacPrice :

Well its aerodynamic importance played zero part in why it was the wrong decision. Infact, it actually had the opposite effect as if it didnt fail the laptime gain wasnt enough to make stopping worthwhile. The problem was it broke and caused him to DNF so I guess youre just trolling, like usual. All he can do is say whether the laptime loss is worse than the penalty for pitting and then pitting again in a few laps. In terms of the call to pit if there is a safety risk, thats the teams decision, theyre the 1 who can see the loading, the tv screens etc. Obviously the mistake to break his own front wing was his fault though and small things like that can decide championships. But I'm sure Vettel, Hamilton or Raikkonen have never made mistakes in their formula 1 careers so clearly Alonso is a danger to other drivers, a complete moron who shouldnt be compared to true greats like them

Not trolling. It was utterly stupid to stay out with that wing. The load was clearly going to be too much at some point, and as soon as Webber's car moved in front off it came. Pretty awful stuff from Ferrari, I still can't believe they left him out...


In other news, interesting interview with Christian Horner on the BBC talking about this current Red Bull feud stemming from the Brazilian Grand Prix.