maybe if it's from cl5 667 to cl4 800 you'd see some difference. still not worth it though, unless you increase the amount of it...

Quote from anttt69 :

how should i pay for 4-4 timimng 800 gig sticks?

in cash?

Quote from R.Kolz :

Here a comment from a Danish guy normally who normally knows what he´s talking about.
...

That guy, "who normally knows what he's talking about", spent a lot of money to go from a 3.16GHz E8500 to a 2.66GHz i7 920 and seems mainly for games???
Did he bother to check any of the gazillion of reviews showing that i7 offers no performance over C2D in most games?
Sorry, but any knowledgeable person would not get 'extremely dissapointed', they would know very well beforehand that at stock settings E8500 will beat i7 920 in most games, and will also OC better. Games are not where i7 excels. Also, his experience with SLI contradicts many reports on the net saying that SLI results are better, sometimes significantly, with i7 than with similarly clocked quad Penryns.

I don't have a recommendation for the case, there's a lot of them and it comes to tastes, and most don't come with PSU, something most people appreciate actually. Perhaps Antec P182 is worth looking into.

I would go with a brand new DX10 card, that one is 3 generations behind, even 3850 might beat x1950CF.
OCed Ph2 940 will beat i7 920, but i7 920 OCs at least just as well and probably better in most cases. I think both are fine choices for the money, though not as good as C2D, but lga775 isn't gonna be around for long.
Btw, TRUE is a better cooler than anything Zalman has on air, and costs ~$80-90

Quote from obsolum :

Hmm, interesting. Thanks for the input. Any second opinions on this by other people?

1gb is useful only for high resolutions which that gpu can't handle very well anyway, so generally it 's not worth it when it's more expensive. However, it doesn't hurt either, and since it's the cheapest, I'd say go for it.

I paid ~$30K in cash for the new car last summer. As a foreigner in Canada, I'm not sure I can get any kind of financing anyway, besides those with ridiculous interests (those with ads like bad credit, no credit- you're approved!). They even wouldn't let me have a credit card for long, even though I'm paid fairly well...

Interesting about the insurance payments in UK. For me, there's $0 difference in paying the whole sum and paying in 12 monthly installments, so I chose monthly as I pay a lot as a new driver (they don't care that I've had a license in Croatia for >10 years).

I also avoid loans when possible, but I don't count credit cards under loan, as I always pay on time and never buy stuff unless I could have bought it with cash too.

Perhaps FBM's number is this high because laps from demo players are now being included after the registration for demoers was introduced? Poor XRT then (and XFG) :P

In Canada all new cars are required to have daytime running lights, so I don't really have a choice. It also creates additional hassle for people importing cars from US.

Or if you have Phenom... Just kidding.

This reminds me: I just checked again, and that bench site still doesn't have i7s in the list, it's been like 4 months now :P. There's no webmaster email there, does someone know his lfs username so I could drop him a message?

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

Cool..

Who you?

Alice from next door?

Quote from (FIN)Eza :

EDIT: autopilot, what mhz you can get outta i7? And what cooling, mobo, ram?

I've been running it at 3.60 GHz for normal use, but I may dial it down a bit, as I don't need that much for anything. Although 3.6 is fairly conservative regarding the voltages/temps, 3.8 wouldn't be a problem if I wanted it. I can run benchmarks at 4.0, but it needs ~1.37V+ and the temps are high for air cooling.
The components are in "Post your LFS Rig" thread.

Quote from (FIN)Eza :

I let vari know on irc

Thanks!
Avg fps in that bench for i7 is about the same as C2D, clock-for-clock. Min fps seem even a bit worse. I couldn't take down the 2nd guy even though I OCed it to the point where it was stable to run the benchmark, but something like prime would probably bring it down easily, not to mention that temps would be very hot... I blame Vista too

It's not (just) for LFS, and it may be interesting to see how they compare to others.

Is that LFS Bench site being maintained by someone? It's a bit outdated: no Core I7 and Phenom II. I'd put my entry, but it looks stupid to put Unknown as the model.

Quote from [plidex] mateo :

just beautiful, the only thing taht can be improved is the gpu, or maybe you are waiting for the GTX295?

Nah, given how little time I have for gaming, it's not worth spending a lot of money on GPU. I might add another 4870 down the road, or replace it with next gen whenever that comes.

Quote from rc10racer :

Need some benchmarks from that rig lucky bastard.

I'll post on that LFS bench list when I get the time to do it... Given Eza's charts regarding the CPU cache impact on LFS in the other thread, I think I7 is about the same if not even a bit slower than C2D clock-for-clock.

MB: Asus P6T Deluxe
CPU : I7 920 (+TRUE, at stock speed as I built it just before the holidays and was away for 2 weeks, will OC it later)
GPU : Asus 4870/1G
MEM : 3x2 GB OCZ ddr3-1600
HDD : Samsung F1 1TB + Seagate 320GB
PSU : Thermaltake TP 850W
Input devices: G5, G15, G25

I might put X-Fi Music from my old rig...

Quote from Jon606 :

I'm surprised that no English football fan has gone mad at seeing that name, because he was the Croatian striker who scored the goal that knocked England out of qualifying for Euro 2008.
Or maybe I'm taking it too far. I dunno.

Yep, it's the same guy, with Eduardo out, he was the starting striker for Croatia at the Eurocup. I remember this, it was a UEFA cup match. He plays for HSV now, not badly too, has 7 goals this season: http://www.bundesliga.de/en/liga/torjaeger/index.php

I also wonder about the language in the clip, it's not Russian, and most definitely not Croatian... But it is some Eastern European though.

Then your memory will have to run at 1066 MHz. ddr3-1600 would be a waste of money.

Btw, there's shopbot.ca site that searches many stores, but lacks a lot of them...

0.184
0.193
0.18
0.189
0.189
Avg. 0.187

On my 3rd try trying to be focused. The first 2 tries were 0.229 and 0.200 avg. with the 5th times the best.
Perhaps the startling effect only happens when one is not concentrated enough
Or it stopped being startling after 2 times...

Quote from e2mustang :

mm didnt know that,i seen they dont deli to few cities in usa,but not that.Maybe tell the guy the places you go,if i remember correctly you do live in canada right?

I'm not sure where he lives. I can compare the major components he has at Cdn Comp to the best I know (though I try to avoid online stores if I can):

P6t Deluxe
CDN Comp: $373
Best I know: $349 (Infonec)

i7 920
CDN Comp: $355
Best I know: $350 (PC Village)

For 260 GTX, there are so many variations and brands that it's hard to say. Also, these prices are all for cash, ordering online will cost more, plus the S&H as well.

One other thing, about that 2GB ddr3, you may want to check the voltage, it should not be above 1.65V. You should go for the new triple channel kits that are all ok. Also, do you plan to OC heavily? To use the memory at its rated speed (ddr3 1600), you have to OC i7 920 from 2.66 to 4.0GHz, which is quite a feat even for very good aftermarket coolers. 3x1 ddr3-1333 would be about the same price.

And 'after Christmas' is a bit too far into the future to be looking at the prices now.

Quote from e2mustang :

Try newegg.com? its very good,i bought lot of things from them

newegg.com doesn't deliver to Canada. They launched newegg.ca about a month ago, but they didn't look any better (nor worse) than the stores I normally go to...

Quote from Flame CZE :

Maybe I can use the TeamInferno log for my graph. So the only difference is that inferno is one day forward than LFSWorld log?

Well, yes, that's why I mentioned it since you said that you had asked Victor to provide more logs. There you have all the logs. But the differences are not just one day forward (it mostly is the same day), for example, there's one entry for marcel FXO/so1 on inferno, and 2 on lfsworld as he beat it 2 times in a short interval. Also, the usernames on inferno are all in lowercase.

There's a WR log on Team Inferno's setupfield that goes to like the start of S2 or something. I'm not sure if the dates there are the same as the ones on lfsworld though...

Quote from Woz :

0.9~ tends towards 1 because it is an infinitley increasing number and hence DOES tend towards 1. It is IMPOSSIBLE to represent a single value because it is infinite in size.

If 0.9~ tends towards 1, then I would like you to write out formally what sequence are you talking about here, i.e. what is a_1, a_2 etc. so that a_n tends to 1. Only sequences tend towards something.
And, btw, infinitely increasing number - this phrase in this context makes no sense. Any real number has a particular value, it cannot have an increasing value. 0.9~ is a representation of a SINGLE number. This reminds me of "1+1 is equal to 3 for very high values of 1".
I know what you're getting wrong and already wrote about it: you keep thinking of 0.9~ as a number for which you add more and more decimals. This is not correct: 0.9~ is the number you get *after* you add everything.

Quote from Woz :

If the concept of 0.9~ is a valid number you MUST accept that 0.1*10^(-infinity) is also a valid number.

This doesn't follow: 0.9~ is a valid decimal representation - there can only be powers of 10^-n for integer n, no 10^(-infinity) coefficients, so it's not a valid number written in a decimal representation. Look up decimal representation.

And even if you wanted to extend it this way, then you MUST define this as 0. If it's a number, then it has a definite value. What you would like it to be: "A number bigger than 0 and smaller than any other number" is NOT a valid number.

Quote from Woz :

Given this then the following is valid because 0.9~ is always 0.1*10^(-infinity) away from 1, it is impossible for it to be anything else.

Yes, 0 away

Quote from Woz :

So which part of the above is NOT true. Please do not just spout the "what you learnt in school as a kid and have taken as gospel" that 1/3 = 0.3~. Why is the following NOT valid

1 = (3 * 0.3~) + 0.1*10^(-infinity)

0.3~ is a precise thing in math - a sum of an infinite series. And it is equal to 1/3. 0.1*10^(-infinity) is your concoction with some purported properties that go against the axioms of real numbers.

Quote from Woz :

no I am not. I am just using the base 10 number system to its logical conclusion.

0.9~ is actually 1 - 0.1*10^(-infinity) therefore 0.9~ < 1

The thing is that when you get to these sorts of numbers like 1/3 they actually fall outside what can be represented by base 10.

No they don't, if you are clear on what the representation means: e.g. 0.12 is a shorthand notation for 1*10^-1 + 2*10^-2. This is how decimal notation is defined. 0.9~ means an infinite sum of 9*10^-n where n goes from 1 to infinity. This sum converges and is a well defined number: exactly 1.
It's amusing that you dismiss a mathematically correct proof that 0.9~ is 1 (the one with 10*x-x=9), because you say it uses infinities (which it doesn't, btw) and here you make an argument of your own using an arithmetic with an infinity.

Think about the following mistake as well:

Quote from breadfan :

I don't get it why some people still try to prove that 0.999recurring equals 1.

0.9999.... tends to 1 (which is its limit) but will NEVER REACH 1, thus 0.999... cannot be equal to 1.

0.9, 0.99, 0.999, 0.9999, ... this tends to 1.
0.9~ is a representation of a single number and it doesn't tend to anything. To have a notion of tending, you need to have a sequence.

Quote from shiny_red_cobra :

You live in Toronto???

Shipping was 17.50 Euros, around $26 CAD, which cost more than the two shirts I bought.

Thanks. I figured it's not cheap, but it's good to know how much exactly.
Yep, I live in Toronto.

Quote from shiny_red_cobra :

I just bought a couple of shirts, thanks for the price reductions Victor!

How much did you pay for the S&H? I live in the same city...