Quote from superlame :

It will be GTS 4.0Liter engine right?

No, its default Cayman for now, maybe later I will make GTS version.

Some progress in modeller

Final look

I've been modelling a gt4 version of the Porsche 718 cayman for 3 days now, based on my other mod. It turns out that I like modelling more than messing around in the LFS editor

Quote from BlueFlame :

I'm not against abortion [depending on circumstances] however,
what I find strange is how some people are prepared to die on the hill that is calling for widescale termination of human organisms. I find this to be against human nature, very nihilistic infact.

The biggest portion of abortions are employed as a contraceptive, not as a result of abuse or medical reasons. The idea that instead of the prevention of human life via traditional contraceptive, the termination of it, is just as acceptable?

This is what I find crazy.

Sometimes killing another human is "acceptable" too under self defence grounds.. etc etc but we shouldn't normalize murder and be "pro-choice" on peoples intent to do so. I have the same opinions on abortion and I don't see many people with the same opinion as myself, only hardline opinions in favour or against abortion.

The idea of "pro-choice" is ludicrous to me, surely, if the common argument is abuse and medical grounds for abortion then should the argument not be coined as, "pro-intervention" ? Pro-choice implies support for abortion for any reason at all.

Totally agree with your comment. I myself am not in favor of banning abortion (although I make pro-life arguments). Because I know of cases in history where such bans have led to women dying from self-induced abortions.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Likewise, the idea of banning abortion outright is also ludicrous to me, since people will needless die or suffer having to bear the child of a piece of shit because a simple procedure cannot be performed legally.

The only thing I didn't understand was this sentence. I'll try to argue with that if I get it right.

It is this "simple procedure" that will mean people will die, this is what you yourself said above.

Quote from BlueFlame :

widescale termination of human organisms.

I mean...last time I checked that it means death. And I completely agree with your statement, but it goes against what you say later.

Modern society has normalized human death, and to keep people sane, it's just been given more pretty words like abortion, termination, decimation...etc. But the essence does not change, no matter what you call it, death is death, murder is murder.

No one has an obligation to carry the "child of a piece of shit" If the child is unwanted (such as in the case of rape), the child may be placed in an orphanage or other special services. It's still better than murder, and besides there's a chance that this child will be adopted by another family.

It's better to write about it in improvements and suggestions but I'm upvote this, that's what's missing from a lot of competitions. And taking a car from the pit for this purpose is not convenient.

Changed spoke obj to fit in limits and changed rim obj.
Added new bodykit in new configuration.

Quote from gu3st :

The way LOD2 works has changed recently, maybe you're falling a foul of this?

https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106967-LFS-Test-Patch-0-7E7

and

https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106736

I checked it and this doesn't explain why:

1. I able to put lod2 in confings that have more then 32k in some mods, but i cant do that in my mod somereason.

2. I have messages of errors that arleady fixed.

3. I cant add Lod2 (about 1k triangles) in duplication mesh of others lod2 or by merging subobject with new lod2 in main config that have only 24k.

I'm not sure where to post, here or in the suggestions but I'm trying to update the drift vers of 400Z, I made a new body kit (in config 5) and a new lod2 for it (pic1), but when I press the button to export the mod for upload, it says that there is no lod2 (pic2). As i get it, it was cuz of the lod2 not in the main, but i cant put lod2 there cuz of the message of 32k limit(pic4), but for config 5 i have only 23k in main (pic3)...but still it not working

And i remember that i was able to put lod2 in configs that exeeds 32k, cuz i have done it with all my other bodykits and lod2 for it, (i have different lod2 for each of config bodykit) and all others configs have more than 32k, and now i cant do that some reason for config that have less then 32k...
And i have a bunch of errors that i already fixed (pic2), there no errors in modeller and if I press on H it doesn't show any errors. Looks like some bug for me or I did something wrong?

Edit: i checked others mods and yes, i able to put lod2 in confings that have more then 32k, but i cant do that in my mod somereason.

P.S I have 0.7E5 version.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Sat 24 Feb 2024, 15:31.

57k triangles for now, modelling is complete, it will probably still require minor shading corrections and adding logos, but I think the video is already enough.

I didn’t have the opportunity to post yesterday, I worked another 2 days (8 hours) on modelling the mod. Already 48k triangles.

Federal Penitentiary Service: Navalny is dead.
As might be expected.

Every day it takes 4 hours. So it 12 hours of progress for now. Almost finished with the body, only small parts left such as headlight parts and nameplates. Tomorrow I'll start working on the interior.

4 more hours working on Porsche

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Tue 13 Feb 2024, 18:02.

I started making Porsche - https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/107152-Porsche-718-Cayman

The winner of the poll, the Porsche 718 cayman will be made by me. As I promised I will do the stock version first and after that GT4 vers.

I've already spent 4 hours making the model. The progress now is -




This time I'm trying to use polygons more sparingly and it took me about 9k triangles for the whole body without parts. But of course further detailing will be required.

Speedmodeling

My vote was for Aston Martin but it looks like people are more interested in a Porsche, so I will start making one soon.

Quote from Quored :

От стока на сколько примерно расширение? такое ощущение что там вообще расширение не делали, у форсберга и то шире машина выглядит

Ну я тоже сначала думал что расширения нет, но судя по тестам, всё таки есть. Несколько сантиметров, сложно сказать точно. Да и поменять могли.

I'm finishing the body kit, but i'm thinking of making another version of the mod in which I will use this body kit. There are 2 reasons for this.
1 - This body kit is made without widening the body, unlike this version.
2 - The style of Gocha accelerate in the middle angle and catch up with their competitors due to this, and this version of the mod is handled in full lock.

But I can probably also redo this body kit for this version too.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Sat 10 Feb 2024, 09:55.

Quote from Ayoub2016 :

Different RPM reading between LFS UI and in-car engine speed

I fixed it, but my tachometer numbers placed a bit different from the texture, so it is still misaligned, but now the revs that are close to the cutoff are more correct. But if you pay attention to the 2,000 rpm, they are in different places.

So Forward Auto in their new video have showed their new Nissan Z body kit from different angles and even partially showed the livery. Well on the basis of this can already make a new version of the body kit for drift Nissan Z, and update the skin. Since I was inspired to create this mod version because the Gocha team is going to do this project soon all this will be in my mod!

Edit: Because the number of possible configurations has been increased to 8, I will probably also make some other body kits in the future.

Last edited by Aleksandr_124rus, Mon 5 Feb 2024, 13:31.

Quote from SamH :

Sorry, I misunderstood. That was me misreading, not you miscommunicating, on the subject of the death penalty.

I had imagined some form of social credit score, where a human has intrinsic value but where that intrinsic value can be offset by extrinsic or instrumental actions or behaviours - a murderer being extrinsically detrimental to their society, to the extent that the net worth of the culprit justified them being handed down the death penalty. This is not an argument you've made, or that I would make, but I have seen it be made.

It's an interesting example, but if we think about it it's not much different from the state of affairs today. It's just that we don't have literal numbers for social credit, (and that's not true for all countries) But it doesn't make much difference. In today's society it is understood that for some actions you can give up your freedom or even your life in some societies, whether we have social credit or not.

That is why all societies have the institution of prison and many societies have the institution of death penalty. Because freedom and life can have its limitations despite the idialogy. Why? Because both of these concepts have no super value that nothing can override. Society intuitively understands that for some actions it is possible to give up these two values. And this has been the case throughout the history of mankind. Even faithful Christians who advocated for the unconditional value of human life denied it through crusades, inquisitions, preventive wars, and wars of conquest against pagans and other small religions. It's sad but this is the reality of things, mankind has been killing each other and depriving each other of freedom for all of history, and since that is still the case today, I have no reason to believe it will ever change as long as we call each other human beings.

Eventually humanity more or less came to the defence of innocent life, which is good. But in my opinion humanity is still not much different from the version of ourselves where murder was considered the norm. We're still just as hypocritical about human life. Which is what this thread is about.

Quote from SamH :

Indeed the idea collapses where political or ideological differences between communities, nations or cultures become insurmountable. War is sometimes inevitable. Nevertheless, whether or not it is easy, I believe the best solution is always a diplomatic one fundamentally because of the intrinsic value of a human life. My starting position is always to value not just a life but also its liberty. A life in servitude or serfdom is not much of a life at all, and is by definition valued least in a society where the notion is allowed to permeate.

Totally agree with what you said. An innocent human has an intrinsic value that must be protected. But in my opinion what you are saying is in conflict with the original topic of this thread, because you seem to have started an arguing with my argument but have not presented a strong counter argument, I see that you are still looking for your position. And it is right to consider different arguments to get closer to your true position. But as I see it, your position that life has intrinsic value is much stronger than the question of when it begins. If you are not sure about this question, why not be reassured and take the very beginning? After all, we're talking about the most important value we can have.

Quote from SamH :

We are living in a time when attempts are being made (too successfully) to normalise post-normalism. The notion of reality itself is being undermined with the ludicrous idea that more than one reality can exist, with each individual experiencing their own unique reality, and in those realities that truth exists on a spectrum or that truth can be what you want it to be.

By this route, truth becomes devalued and unimportant or insignificant, because the objective truth is usurped by the subjective belief-as-truth. Into this world, the insignificant "reality" that "Jeffrey Epstein killed Priogozhin" is born. It's rather Orwellian. If you can self-select your reality, and you can be convinced to embrace authoritarianism, ultimately you will accept a reality of authority's choosing without questioning it. Or if you do question it, with whom can you argue? Since everyone else's reality is their own, there is no mechanism to coalesce and rise up together against an authoritatively asserted "truth". Political narrative becomes "truth", and everything that deviates from it becomes "misinformation".

Or.. I could be wrong

I completely agree with your analysis of this situation. Indeed, the situation in many countries resembles oceania. Many people in Russia have lived very similar lives to Winston. In many ways, the world of Orwell's dystopia is embodied in Russia, but there are echoes of it in other countries as well.

That's why I have minarchist views. The state tends to expand, increase its powers and keep its power as much as possible. Thus the state always tends to be authoritarian. Good are those models of society that have adopted institutions that oppose state leviathan. Such as the separation of powers. Protection of rights and freedoms. Free carry of weapons. A system of checks and balances. Decentralisation, which implies federalisation and strong municipal power. And all the other things that make government small and weak. But it is important that these institutions are not just on paper, but really work.

Quote from SamH :

I understand your position, I think, but perhaps need clarity on one thing. If a human is to be judged by its extrinsic value, what extrinsic value has a zygote? Or a fetus? Or even a newborn baby? What have they contributed to the world, that imbues them with a value that they deserve any concern, consideration or protection?

I never said a human had extrinsic value. I said that human has fundamental intrinsic value, although he can have extrinsic value, but it is only applicable to other people besides oneself, (because it is unlikely that a person can be extrinsically valuable to himself) and it really depends on the context.

Let me briefly explain the meaning of this extrinsic\intrinsic dichotomy. Every person has things that he or she values extrinsically, such as money. But why do we need money? Because it can be used to buy something (i.e. money is valuable not in itself, but for something else, so money have extrinsic value). For example, you can buy a house. But why do we need a house? And here we can answer for example, to be warm and dry. (i.e. again the house is not valuable in itself so house have extrinsic value) And so on down the chain.

Everyone has a chain of extrinsic values, but the last link of this chain is what is intrinsically valuable. For example, in the case of being warm and dry at home, it is necessary for safety (and safety is already valuable in itself, i.e. intrinsically) People have many different intrinsically valuable concepts, such as happiness, love, honour, etc. and these things are not necessary for anything else, they are important in by themselves. But there is a fundamental intrinsic value that endows all other intrinsic values with the possibility of having value, and that is human life. Because without human life all other intrinsic values would have no meaning. As I said earlier, I believe that a human begins with a zygote, and from that moment a human has fundamental intrinsic value.

Quote from SamH :

Perhaps predictably, I favour diplomacy over war. Every war starts with a failure in diplomacy and ends with an act of diplomacy. A civilian death is a war crime by default, IMO. I accept war as a reality of the world in which we live, but I don't endorse its commission.

I accept that a paid soldier is gambling with his/her own life, but that it must be their own choice. I believe that individuals have a right to defend (or not) their home and nation, but I don't support conscription. I believe fundamentally in John Stuart Mill's "harm princiI could agree with this if it were not for the fact that it will be more difficult for leaders of societies with similar ideas to survive in the face of conflicts and wars. Or they will have to make strong concessions, which many people may not like and this may cause protests.

I could agree with this if it were not for the fact that it will be more difficult for leaders of societies with similar ideas to survive in the face of conflicts and wars. Or they will have to make strong concessions, which many people may not like and this may cause protests.