Quote from Evolution_R :

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@michal 1279, FZ50: 235/40 R18 front, 295/30 R18 rear

weird : 911 gt3 996 phase 1 was 225/40/R18 and 285/30/R18 for 360hp (like FZ50), while the GT3 phase 2 was 235/40/R18 and 295/30/R18 with 381hp ... where are the missing 21hp ?
And by the way : why FZ50 ?

Skawen, about the taillights. The most realistic option in my opinion is to make a HDR cubemap inside the rear light in the on mode, on the map of which the spot from the lamps will be clear, and make the glass transparent, multiply it by the color of the texture.
In other cases, the reflector will be chrome plated.
The only question is how to get HDR-cubecmap ...

I do not remember at all about next one I am posting and asking, so, sorry in advance if someone done already before in some cases but...

I am assuming all the work has been done so far... and we do have some few aspects of water ( Blackwood and Fern Bay )... Water gets another update? Last time I remember was DirectX 9.0 update and water reflected sun.

Quote from Evolution_R :

Please don't stop communicating. I think it is better and far more interesting to know what is being worked on, some of the problems and their solutions.

I find it more appealing to have news out of nowhere after silent moments... or just moment.

Quote from NumberTwo :

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In case you have an E60, buy an E46

isn't e60 from 2005 ? (with the damned v10 ^^ )
5 series were E39 in 2003 iirc

edit : some research later, e60 has begun in august 2003 ... shame on me !

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Quote from Scawen :

So, just to help you understand, here is a screenshot of how the dashboard looks right now. Take a look at that shot then tell me I am wasting my time spending a few minutes thinking about how the dashboard is lit (a minor task among the very big tasks I have been working on)...

indeed an enhancement sounds welcome

For my 1989 Polo Fancy, if you switch on the lights, you have a manually adjustable green lighting ...
In the 2011 c-class, everything is automatic ... sounds adaptative but I am not really looking to it. I will pay attention this night, but I fear after 7pm French time it will be dark and by a lot, so no variation to observe.
edit : From memory in my wife's 308 from 2008, I do not think it is adpating : only a brightness level to set manually.
edit 2 : the GPS have a night mode aswell for vws in case it displays the gps...

NB : what I observe : working on brightness adaptation in modern cars while no modern cars are currently available can mean only one thing ...

Last edited by Flotch, Tue 12 Nov 2019, 14:31.

Quote from Scawen :

The only people who don't 'believe' in environmental destruction are those who don't watch any programs about wildlife, ignore all time lapse photographs of deforestation, and basically walk around with their eyes closed. ...

of course, I hope there is no-one still not understanding this .

What is less obvious is the role of each one regarding what is called global warming, and the price fixed for each to be allowed to continue doing the shit.

For example, currently in France, cars are responsible ( ) of global warming, and so we must pay more and more after time ... but "more and more" is not deterrent of course, it is just a way to get some more taxes paid, and on the other side nothing is done regarding : trucks, boats, airplanes, factories (or not so much)... Aswell, nuclear plants are emitting almost zero CO2 (green energy award ? ).
Diesel engines are said for years and years (and still, even if some cities are planning to forbid them ... NB : side effect, my old VW polo 1.05L petrol from 1989 is to be forbidden soon in some French cities, but my Mercedes C63 with the 6.2L will be welcome for a long time to come !! ) to less pollute because of the weight of CO2 measured (to not even speak about VW and Renault cheating the thing ) to sell more model with this technology (French ...) and still keep an unbanlance of taxes making cars with diesel engines :
- almost as expensive as petrol ones, but more efficient, more performant, etc ...
- registration cost reduced
- less running cost for people who are using them a lot
- been ultra used in cities because a diesel engine doing idle is consumming less (no need to repeat, but less pollution, everyone knows that )

Reducing pollution all over the world is indeed a matter of the numerous people all around the Earth : clearly it is a problem. The way they want to live (lots of meats, lots of everything...), but "us", rich countries people, who are we to explain to China, India, etc ... how do they need to live for the benefits of us (all), while we have created this way of living, and enjoyed it regarding comfort, etc ... ?

But now, when us, rich countries people, are explaining that we must do less and less at our level : why not, but for instance France is less than 1% of the whole population on Earth ==> we can assume it will have a negligible impact on the world ==> governements will still use the taxes and continue their business instead of fixing anything because globally why :
- reducing consumption (less taxes ...)
- invest more and take the risk to loose some things
and in the end having our beloved neightbours on Earth doing the exact opposite because they do not care ? short term money is more attractive.

A side note, in our stupid way of living with lots of CO2 emitted, forrests are better than ever (the ones not yet destroyed ), and stopping suddenly the pollution emitted in the air would make the temperature to rise incredibely fast (probably short term, but anyway the consequences could be quite disturbing I let you imagine) ... I am not so optimistic

Quote from chucknorris :

Speaking of CO2: What are the chances for electric cars in LFS?

Would maybe also resolve the "engine sounds in LFS are bad" forum posts...


"We are really far from a test version yet!"

Yes, just keep distracting him with these detail questions, [repeated] suggestions, and discussion topics like ecology and life views... and all this interesting stuff.

(I will just readjust my patch-release date estimate, 03/2020 is now clearly impossible with the recent info, but I guess something like 11/2020 may happen if the tires physics will start to behave soon ... 03/2020 seems [to me] now very unlikely even for first test patch, but I'm just guessing, maybe I will be surprised...)

@Scawen
Wise words.

Sometimes I think the battle for this planet is lost anyway, so let's at least save this galaxy. By dead consume our self. /Sarcasm off

As long as parents "whip" their children to surpass them, as long as we turn in a circle. The children should have better grades, have better jobs, and have more money. And what do you do with more money? More consuming, of course. The whole thing is in my opinion more of a causal evolutionary problem.
All parents want their children to feel better than themselves. Even animals want that. This is a function of evolution itself.

But If 8 billion predators believe they can own everything and have been chosen by God to conquer this universe ... then .... then .... then = 42

Planet of apes....nothing else.

Just as a single human is born and dies. In the same way, it may well be whole species in this universe. It may sound sick, but maybe we are doing everything right right now to make room for others.
Its sad but we had our chance.

Quote from Scawen :

We are really far from a test version yet!

On my side there is still work to do on the graphics. I'm working on a bloom effect right now. I still need to improve the baked lighting rendering system to reduce some ugly vertex lighting issues you don't see too much of in my well-placed screenshots.

at this rate, the test version to come will be called LFS 2.0 ... even if the 1.0 has not yet been used

Quote from Scawen :

Then I still need to work on the physics and improve the security of the master server protocol.

Meanwhile Eric is continuing with South City, and still needs to finish Kyoto and update Fern Bay.

Amen

To me, what you described Scawen is more 'consumer society' than simply 'capitalism'. And indeed you are right and free to live the life you choose. But in my opinion, and as Aleksandr_124rus is writting, it is somewhere because of of this economic growth that we, "people from rich countries", are able to choose our way to live our lives (i.e. : in some countries, people working 16h per day to 'survive' may have less opportunities than us to choose a "better life") ... Nothing is fully black and white
Anyway, enjoy developping LFS !

Quote from BerdyGaming :

The fact that they have been using that working model for a long time doesn't make it a good way to actually develop games.

... it's a fantastic model for... THEM. It's a really simple thing to understand

Quote from Scawen :

I think it works nicely at South City.
The attached shot is of the OLD South City, which I have been using for testing purposes.
This is NOT the updated South City which Eric has been working on.

Dare to post the updated one to make the comparison ?

Very nice and excited to see the night ! I made some tests in ACC by night and for sure it is the kind of feature LFS must have !
And for the future, add the fresh air impact on engine/grip ..., then rain, snow ...

Quote from BerdyGaming :

Quick question regarding time change: Will track temps go down as it gets darker outside and the track cools down?

Not unless somebody (Scawen) will implement that in the code. And as he's busy reading these forum responses and deleting spam/troll posts, so I'm not sure...

And as it took so unexpectedly long, if I would be Scawen, I would probably wrap up the gfx patch as quickly as possible, postponing *any* other change (including track temps) to next patch ... plus there's this new tires physics thing, which has to be decided before releasing current gfx patch, if it's ready to be released or what to do if it is not... i.e. IMO plenty of work to do before this patch will be available to players, even without adding other small bits.

I think Scawen will be reluctant to do it like this, because it would mean two physics (resetting hotlaps) patches in short period of time, but if he does communicate that clearly, I guess most of the players here can live with that, accepting first patch more like test of gfx shaders to report remaining issues/bugs, and wait few more months/year for "final" patch including the titbits.

Race Results :

Well , Clean than previous race , but was a suprise first lap , thanks for all participant <3

Driver standing

RG Rony: 68
93 M @ CI3K: 48
B2R Rayman: 45
B2R Ayoub_Maroc: 44
Jereloco : 42
Trespasser: 36
[MRc] FinUK: 35
[BR] TJ: 28
[MRc] KIG: 28
[SRT] Eza: 27
B2R spiky: 25
Biroot: 13
[RP]Sick: 12
Atian: 10
AA E A Presley: 10
d4no: 5
AS Berdy: 4
[FU]Rocket :4
[WCL]T.Soini :2

Team Standing :

B2r: 114
RG: 68
MRc: 63
BR: 28
SRT: 27
RP: 12
AA: 10
AS: 4
FU: 4
WCL: 2

High Climber : {MRc]FinUK + 14 places : 1 point
Warning/penalty Later ...

Last edited by Ayoub2016, Sat 2 Nov 2019, 01:17.

Quote from BorislavB :

Scawen when we can see some pictures from new South City too?

When Eric will provide them (i.e. when he feels it's ready to be shown).

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Does Eric will work on Fern Bay too?

He either must to rework it, or Scawen has to remove it from the game (and so far the plan is to rework it if I understand Scawen properly, he never mentioned anything being deleted from the game, *I* am mentioning it, because it's one of the theoretical options how to release the patch).

As the current track would be seriously broken with the new graphics engine ... the materials with new shaders would look wrong (so it would be maybe playable, just looking weird/wrong in places).

But the new shadows require proper geometry with the track surroundings being modelled in more complete way, having also solid walls on sides where you can't see it from the car on track (and these are often missing in old tracks as they were optimized out for old engine).

Without these fixes the shadows would blink hardly almost everywhere, suddenly popping/vanishing, so it would be not possible to play it like that (unless you prefer to play with "stroboscope" effect ).

(I'm a bit guessing, so my description of situation may be not 100% accurate, but from my own experience with 3D engines programming and with the changes described by Scawen I think this guess is not completely off... I think some of that was even mentioned in one of the progress posts, but I can't recall it for sure any more, it's kinda taking a long time to remember every post... ).

Quote from THE WIZARD DK :

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could backfire as many people made alot of effort into making some mod content that will be completely unuseable after the updates. as i understand it, scawen means to keep the DDS files possible to alter. but not sure how everything else will go. kinda like taking the breath out of peoples files and perhaps they then dont feel like making new.
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dds mods will probably somewhat work, depends also how much original set of dds files will change, and how much the colour profile will be important. And some materials will now require alpha channel data I guess?

"keep possible to alter" ... wait a second, it's your computer, you can alter any part of LFS, just some parts are easy to alter (like dds), and some parts are more difficult (like changing parts of code), but Scawen can't stop you, he can only make it more/less difficult (like for example signing dds files with private key and checking the signature before load to refuse to load modified ones.. then you would have to remove the check from the binary to allow modified dds to load).

Anyway, this situation (big change of LFS internals) was expected and envisioned, and it was the main reason why "no mods" policy is in place. To save people from the feel of having their many-hours hobby projects destroyed by next update of LFS. So it's just happening as envisioned (wouldn't say "planned", but it was more like "inevitable". It wouldn't happen only if the project would be abandoned sooner).

May backfire... may. This whole thing of S1/2/3 and updating one game ad nausea IMO did backfire a bit. Other car-sim games developers are instead releasing "new games" when they finish these bigger patches (netkar / rFactor / ...). That makes also the loss of mods probably a bit easier to accept? "it's new game, of course my mods don't work any more"? But LFS is hiding this behind "patches", so it may feel different (although it's practically the same thing happening, you just get the new "LFS2" for free as you already have license and it will be still named "LFS").

Quote from dzban :

Here's my onboard from last round, I'll be streaming next rounds also.

https://youtu.be/kYYF5Y6Hs-g?t=1039

You dropped your microphone?

By the way, I have a question about how do we judge...

If I report somebody for switching his side of the road more than once while defending, how much of penalty can that yeild (and I'm talking about the case where somebody could do it multiple times during the race, though with different people)?

And do we have to have full car or half of the car parallel to have right for room into turn?

Also, on the A21 track (round 2), we have this long back straight full of bends... Does each bend refresh your right to change the side of the road on defence?

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I watched R1 replay and I am kinda disappointed that nobody report anyone.. Next race, probably, less people come, AND more of those who come gonna get mad af

If you guys don't start reporting this stuff, I feel like I gonna go and do it myself

Quote from Bose321 :

I honestly doubt it. I believe iRacing and rFactor and AC right now are just way too big (mostly in the professional teams) for LFS to make a comeback with just refreshed tracks and slightly improved graphics. Sure there will be a few more people, but it simply can't compete with the huge (real) content other sims have to offer. I'd like to be proven wrong though in a few years when a new patch is out.

You are more than correct on that one.

Storm, you just sound like an old person who is simply not accepting any change in the game industry. It is more important what the majority demands. Clearly, that's what the community wants more (look at iR / AC etc), those games attract people who are willing to pay because there's content and there's always something new.
You just need to burst your bubble and realize that in today's society, these sort of players (mainly iR one's) seek more than just ''hey uh we got a nice spectator mode and chat interface''...

It sums it up for you but the racing community isn't made out of 10 old,retired people, c'mon, get real here!

I think even Nilex has got over the fact that this game is just a dying breed..........3 guys who work on a game can't compete with the staff of iRacing or AC, it is just not possible. Look at the money these guys invest in iR to get the latest tech co-op with what they are putting out. It doesn't MATCH UP the level of effort that goes into here. Get off your high-horse and realize this is just as bad as any other game that had their time to shine but spoiled it in one way or another.

The industry doesn't care what you want, they just want your money. iR is where it goes and they got the supply to keep up with the demand. LFS is just a great hobby for Scawen and Eric but before it gets anywhere near iR level, we will probably be in our retirement houses.

The racing communities however, did not. These communities have left the project a long time ago now (and I have serious doubts it will ever return).

Quote from Flotch :

or tire's physics, ESP, ... anything

Would be nice ... As a start.

or tire's physics, ESP, ... anything

We are sure it is a big job . I think everyone that has used shift+U there has a bare idea of what this 2.0 version Eric is preparing may bring more : like the roads not yet accessible, especially the area in the attached snapshot ...

There's very little point to implement word blacklisting, there are always ways to avoid machine-grade blacklists, and in the end they will always start to filter out also legit messages.

This banning after seems to me so far somewhat effective, there's not *that* many cases yet (if somebody is using bots to advert some fishy webpage on forums, it usually generates lot more spam over few days, than these few sore losers using LFS in game chat).

Of course removing the pirate service completely would be nice, but that's not that simle... if even possible. Some people are simply idiots.

About "paypal knows what they are involved in" ... you mean like daily? Over the world? Jesus, I hope they are not, because they would very likely suicide themselves instantly (not because of LFS, but the other stuff).

Last edited by Ayoub2016, Sat 21 Dec 2019, 18:04.

what a shame !
some people are just ... exhausting ...

throwing this out there, LFS is one of the FEW driving sims that actually do this right. believe it or not, whcih saddens me these days so very few real drivers because of how cars are now even making humans believe there is a "drift mode" in real life makes me sick but, topic at hand YES the jelly tires ARE realistic, in fact a lot of times it has saved my car and possibly me in real life, when they turn to jelly on ur ass in the seat, it lets you know they are about to explode, i will enclose a picture of my tire with new/old ones going on in the back of pic, and the jelly feeling is how i was able to predict my tires needed changing asap (daily driver/toy/all rolled into one)

P.S. the kid i bought the car from and that stole it back put my tires on his car even after i told him these are finished and ready to explode... 2 days later on big highway they exploded and ****ed his corolla up.. then he said "this is all your fault" OI!!!...

"YES, THE JELLY TIRES SHOULD STAY BECAUSE IT IS REALISTIC AND NOT MANY OTHER SIMS CAPTURE THIS DETAIL".