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a rich, flavourful culture

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Is this really a religion of peace? These are the people who came here when they needed help, we gave them help..What they give us in return? Death Threats, Harassments and rape..And this is not because of society, this is happening almost in every Islam country. Europe doesnt have any problems with Hindu, Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism and other..only Islam.
How can they ask for respect when they do almost nothing to integrate, respect our culture and values.

If our culture is hot dogs, nascar and hardcore porn, thats what they need to learn to love to live here. We don't owe them reconciliation, appeasement, special accommodations and special courts to address their special crimes. We owe them nothing, they owe us everything if we pay for them to live here and rescue them from crushing poverty and oppression in their home countries.

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Muslims, buddhists, athiests, Formula 1 enthusiasts

Which one of these groups is most commonly associated with removing people's heads?

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fully in agreement with racer x here, 9/11, 7/7, the boston bombings, years of IRA bombings, etc etc, thats what id call terrorism and/or a terrorist attack, killing someone, deliberately, however tragic it is is murder in my eyes, be it racially politically or religiously motivated, its murder, calling it a terror attack is a huge overstatement which has caused a needless amount of unnessecary hype.

You're right all it is is a murder. Too bad you got gun control laws. Maybe someone could've stopped that "murder" from happening.

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No. America is one of the few countries that actually dissuades a person from having their own cultural identity. A chunk of the developed world has a pretty solid policy of maintaining everyones individual cultural uniqueness and supports peoples varying cultures. Not everyone gets jammed into acting 'murican.

For some reason, America is so insecure about its own values (Christianity and NASCAR), that people who don't share those values (Muslims, buddhists, athiests, Formula 1 enthusiasts) are shunned and people make an attempt to convert them by claiming their belief system is either wrong, or corrupt, or they're gonna go to hell.

It boggles my mind. Why try to actively dilute your culture to be this weak solution of a culture, when you could embrase the differences and have a rich, flavourful culture.

Although 'muricans have proven to prefer bland culture, look at their thirst for McDonalds. Mention a McRib and they might just cream themselves.

You been smoking crack with that mayor again haven't you?
Canada..... You know most people from Canada go on Road trips in the U.S.of A. than their own stupid country. Something about it being too expensive to do it there. Probably boring too.
You know what the big difference is between Americans and Canadians?
When Americans go out clubbing, it's to score chicks.
When Canadians go clubbing, it's for seals.
Think I'll go out back and shoot something now.

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I thought you put me on your ignore list.

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You're right all it is is a murder. Too bad you got gun control laws. Maybe someone could've stopped that "murder" from happening.

Well, if it was America, the police would have shot about 30 rounds and injured about 20 civilians.. and probably missed the actual suspects.

The British police did an admirable job by not killing the suspects (thus committing even MORE murder) and not creating any random wounded people.

I'm always going to remember "rich, flavourful culture" when I see this.


*edit: Finishing this video brought me to tears. No one in the world deserves to live under Islam. Most of these attacks are in Pakistan. What makes you think many men capable of committing these acts have not immigrated to or been born in your country, your neighborhood, seeing your daughters and wives doing things and dressing in ways they would murder or disfigure their own for? Can the word "racism" protect all of this from judgement?

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"Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. As for those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great."

No one in the world deserves to live under Christianity. The belief that this non-existant entity cares about every single person that follows them.. and helps every single one of them that follow him is ridiculous.

They choose to ignore important lessons such as birth control and condoms which lead to risky behaviours as young adults and unwanted or children who aren't in a stable environment as a result. They choose to be blatantly ignorant of peoples personal choices (homosexuality for instance) because in their mind it is "wrong".

Both religions are mostly negative.. they just choose different places to attack. Islam Extremists use violence. Christian Extremists just choose to boycott things like funerals or pride parades.

Both partake in evil actions, their methods are just different.

We cannot judge a whole group of people based on a few extremists actions. Extremists excists in all groups, but should not be counted as the mayority.

About above, I agree it is disgusting, but keep in mind how bad our veiw on women was and theie rights just a few decades ago. Hopefully with help and pressure from the outside world we can change their point of veiw over time.
Edit: this is meant as a reply to Mike, not Dawe.

The religion, or rather the philosophical views that form their basic tenants, isn't the problem.

The problem is the people who change it to support their views.

Both Christianity and Islam are based on the rule of being nice to each other.

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The religion, or rather the philosophical views that form their basic tenants, isn't the problem.

The problem is the people who change it to support their views.

Both Christianity and Islam are based on the rule of being nice to each other.

This is actually a very good point. Religion usually starts off trying to be a nice guideline for people, but with time people change it to suit it better for their way of living. Usually this turns out rarher ugly.

Wow. I could have written your responses before you did. I'm not making a comparison to Christianity you fools! I'm making a comparison to secular western culture! How could you willingly misunderstand that as your first response to seeing what commonly happens under Islamic law? Please! The video mentions that Pakistan had to set up special judicial guidelines JUST for acid attacks! Does the secular US or UK have a special acid attack court!? We don't treat women like cattle, not for three hundred years or more! Stop insulting your history, its embarrassing.

Well, if you could have written our responses before we did.. why bother writing the initial post. Then we don't haffto waste our time writing responses that you already know, and you save yourself from looking like an even bigger twat.

Well if you look back into history of christianity you will see women were beeing punished too. And look on the dark ages, plundering, raping, murdering and worse were acted in the name of God. And why I write this? Because it shows that "us" western civilization acted like the ones you refer to not too long ago. The culture differences if you go back in time is not that big.

Wow still at it, can't change gears.

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I'm not making a comparison to Christianity you fools! I'm making a comparison to secular western culture! How could you willingly misunderstand that as your first response to seeing what commonly happens under Islamic law? Please! The video mentions that Pakistan had to set up special judicial guidelines JUST for acid attacks! Does the secular US or UK have a special acid attack court!? We don't treat women like cattle, not for three hundred years or more! Stop insulting your history, its embarrassing.

remember?

*edit: oh..'secular' means, roughly 'not governed by religion' I think you may have understood it as the opposite?

At least Tor speaks things that are true, rather than spewing racist, bigoted garbage that would make even Hitler seem like a humanitarian.

(Yes, I invoked Godwin's law properly. I guess shots thinly veiled reference to Hitler's manifesto "Mein Kampf" (My Struggle in English) was lost on the culturally ignorant American.).

Aiming at me Mike? Well to explain what I try to say: I do not approve or like the way the middle east and other "not western" countries lives and how they look on human lifes. However if you know your history you will notice a lot of similarities. With that in mind i points out that we are no better, just more developt in our veiw of humans and society. With pressure from the outside world I am sure that we can change their way of looking at things too, but it will not happend over night.

And as said before, extremist is everywhere but must never be veiwed as the mayority.
Also culture and religion is closely connected, so I am not sidetracking from the subject we are discussing.

Oh, religious arguments.

TVE you may be right. Just remember that no one helped us to advance past those brutal stages of development, it required countless lives and pointless battles and warfare amongst ourselves. We had true grit, and pulled ourselves up to this level with sheer force of will with no one to pay for it or make sure we were quite comfy during the long uphill climb.



But we did intervene, to try and help them progress by experiencing our culture and technological achievements. The worst part to me is that we have met such fierce and deadly resistance. In my mind, it is not worth the cost to fund the progress they obviously do not have the will to achieve for themselves like we did, the only way it has ever worked in history. It is also not worth our lives and safety. Even though you think we are no better, I know that we are. The proof is quantifiable, not an abstract opinion.

Did you know there was an attack in London recently? What are your thoughts on that?

why aim so low when we can solve the problems of the world right here on the racing simulator forum?

While i am in no way a racist, nor do i believe that the views that are shown in the video are a true reflection of what the orginisation are about as a whole, the points raised by tommy robinson in response to whats gone on in woolwich are in a lot of ways valid, goong on whats said by him in that video alone, no matter how dumbed down it almost certianly is, you can see how the edl have and will continue to gain support.

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I'm always going to remember "rich, flavourful culture" when I see this.


*edit: Finishing this video brought me to tears. No one in the world deserves to live under Islam. Most of these attacks are in Pakistan. What makes you think many men capable of committing these acts have not immigrated to or been born in your country, your neighborhood, seeing your daughters and wives doing things and dressing in ways they would murder or disfigure their own for? Can the word "racism" protect all of this from judgement?

Couple's second child dies after they opt for prayer over treatment

http://rt.com/usa/second-child-dies-parents-pray-301/

According to this, no one in the world deserves to live under Christianity. Basing your opinions on one single case leads to stupidity and blindness. You're only proving that you can't even distinguish between extremism and ordinary people. I too can pick few extreme cases from every corner of the worlds, from every religion there is and say "Hey, there is a case these people did this. They are so stupid and let's hate them all".

Either you're just bored and trolling or you're really as close minded as you present to be.

edit: http://rt.com/usa/super-bowl-result-god-337/

I mean. what the ****?

BTW

A pretty similar attack happened this week-end in France.
A soldier got attacked in the suburb of Paris by a man who looked like a muslim. The soldier was patrolling with 2 of his mates. They were at the front while he was at the back. He got stab in the neck from behind. His 2 mates didn't see it immediately and the muslim got away with it. The soldier survived and is out of danger.

I wonder how long it will take the europeans to admit that we have a very serious problem with that cult and act accordingly. What are we waiting for? a civil war?

As sais it's no doubt that it is a problem, but blaming a whole group of people because of a few extremists is wrong. It's like saying that because of Hittler, every german citizens from WW2 and to current times are nazis. It's like saying because of one lunitict's act and he by some reasons belifs in God/Jesus, everyone beliving in the same is lunitics.

Yes, there are problems, huge problems, but blame the inviduals, not a group.
One of the things we need to work with is to change their veiws on humans and equality when they immigradeS. In Norway we struggle a lot with rapings atm, and over 90% are performed by not-western people. Statestics are taken from the police records from Oslo.