The online racing simulator
Why master server is down?
(148 posts, closed, started )
Right to left is just part of the reason. Other is, that the letter font is not "stable" like English, but the characters compose together, so the whole font rendering code is lot more complex than just copying small bitmaps with single letters to screen (what the current code does I guess, because that's how those things were often done back when LFS was started).

I mean, the whole world of computing did move a lot in past ~20 years to support various non-English languages better, but LFS is still windows OS software, I don't know how the language support in Windows world did improve in the last decade, as I don't use windows any more, but it used to be very obsolete and abysmal, lacking in tools, using different encodings for each locale, etc... I guess it didn't progress much, because I still get at shops receipts with wrong encoding, which is plainly caused by somebody in the chain not using UTF-8 encoding (which is now standard with modern operating systems).

EDIT: so there's considerable amount of effort needed to change the LFS code to support these more complex languages. It may easily take days or weeks of development, especially if the underlying OS and SW dev tools are already obsolete and lacking in support. Would the Scawen rewrite the LFS on modern OS with modern API like Vulcan and modern libraries, adding support for Arabic language would be somewhat easier (still not super easy, probably super easy when you wouldn't mind serious performance implications, but I bet Scawen would like to do it properly and keep high quality and performance even for Arabic players = complex code).

Having the language files ready from community is of course plus, because Scawen can then at least experiment with current code, what is possible, if some limited support with butchered wrong rendering is acceptable, etc...
IMO don't negotiate with terrorists.

Since master server can be relatively easy disrupted, would it be possible to allow join servers directly by ip:port?
Quote from Scawen :If the DDOS attacker has a problem with one segment of the LFS community, could they please discuss it with the people involved, and not take it out on the entire LFS community? We have a discussion forum to help. You can often solve a problem by talking about it.

True. would be best way.

i just find it annoying as i dont have much time for LFS atm, and everytime i do have time.
its down due to some pointless ridicilousness.
so at times im waiting months due to being busy to get to drive a little bit again.

im pretty sure thats not what LFS was intended to do.
it happened several times last year too.

and im falling behind in driving because of it.
but i guess that the whole thing those doing wants.

to annoy alot of people to maybe sit and laugh at their screen about it too.
i dont think they realise how cheap lfs is and its actually onetime buy not as other games making you poor every week or month. its just pointless annoyment really !


Quote from DReyes03 :Scawen this is for the license price, many say it is very high

i gotta put my foot on the brakes here too. in other games you pay small amounts weekly or monthly. lfs may have a (for some) high price, but hey..you PAY ONCE and then you have your account FOR A LIFETIME !
you dont see that in other games so its ridicilous to say its expensive as you pay several thousands for other online games in the end , small amounts at the time.
Quote from Al-KeN :There was again DDOS attack
because of the stupid racism Admin´s
of Server [ TC City Driving ]
the DDOS attack will continue if they
are not change something ..
just for you all to let you know Wink

Quote :(sermilan) DELETED by kristofferandersen : language

Ye, language... and a bad one, just to make sure you get the message of how much support you have for your deeds. You're an imbecile and no one should talk to you to meet your silly demands. I hope you get what you deserve.
Quote from sermilan :Ye, language... and a bad one, just to make sure you get the message of how much support you have for your deeds. You're an imbecile and no one should talk to you to meet your silly demands. I hope you get what you deserve.

well there is no reason to use faul language.
not even when mad about this as we all are in some way or another.

and i may add i known Kriss for years. he aint a imbecile and does alot for newcomers to LFS .

so maybe take a deep breath mate and count to 10 !
we are all unsatisfied with what happened. but no need to name call moderators aswell.
Quote from Ped7g :Right to left is just part of the reason. Other is, that the letter font is not "stable" like English, but the characters compose together, so the whole font rendering code is lot more complex than just copying small bitmaps with single letters to screen (what the current code does I guess, because that's how those things were often done back when LFS was started).

I mean, the whole world of computing did move a lot in past ~20 years to support various non-English languages better, but LFS is still windows OS software, I don't know how the language support in Windows world did improve in the last decade, as I don't use windows any more, but it used to be very obsolete and abysmal, lacking in tools, using different encodings for each locale, etc... I guess it didn't progress much, because I still get at shops receipts with wrong encoding, which is plainly caused by somebody in the chain not using UTF-8 encoding (which is now standard with modern operating systems).

EDIT: so there's considerable amount of effort needed to change the LFS code to support these more complex languages. It may easily take days or weeks of development, especially if the underlying OS and SW dev tools are already obsolete and lacking in support. Would the Scawen rewrite the LFS on modern OS with modern API like Vulcan and modern libraries, adding support for Arabic language would be somewhat easier (still not super easy, probably super easy when you wouldn't mind serious performance implications, but I bet Scawen would like to do it properly and keep high quality and performance even for Arabic players = complex code).

Having the language files ready from community is of course plus, because Scawen can then at least experiment with current code, what is possible, if some limited support with butchered wrong rendering is acceptable, etc...

LFS supports many languages. even russian. so im not sure where you get this from really.
windows has gotten better with languages, but translations could still be better admittedly. especially russian to european languages. you get some seriously funny translations at times by doing so, making no sense at all, but they are kinda funny . but i guess its not easy to implement several languages from all over the world at one go and everything work flawlessly first time. that simply never happens. but it does get a little bit better with each updates. but not perfect ! (i play at a russian radio so i use it alot for russian language)
Yes, but Russian "azbuka" can be again rendered in stable way, when single letter can have only one image, and doesn't compose with others, so it's just matter of extended font, and using text encoding with the extra glyphs for azbuka. Some languages like Arabic and Hindi are much more difficult to render, as some letters work as prefix/suffix for following letters, changing the way how they look. You can't compare the complexity of those two, if rendering Russian alphabet was +25% amount of code complexity, rendering Arabic properly is more like +300%.
so this all is because of arabic language not being in the game ? cmooon im a croat and i dont even use croatian in the game.. complete bs if you ask me.. and as for the price of lfs licence i mean cmoon a lifetime licence for one payment isnt that much at all in comparison to any game today
Well, looks like the Arabs doing their own community a world of good by continuing this and not talking things out. I doubt Scawen will be hostile towards some nice gestures like, I don't know. Talking nicely? Working something out like a translated page?

Seem to forget that when everyone else suffers, they too suffer; where do you get your LFS dose of speed now?

Don't think they thought this through, lol.

So far the people and their reason is unknown. Before we jump to conclusions and point the finger at anyone, we might want to wait for some facts first. And taking the claims of a random person from twitter (or anywhere else) serious doesn't help anyone.

edit:
If there is some actual evidence you might want to get in touch with the devs before posting it here.
Quote from three_jump :So far the people and their reason is unknown. Before we jump to conclusions and point the finger at anyone, we might want to wait for some facts first. And taking the claims of a random person from twitter (or anywhere else) serious doesn't help anyone.

Well, we have
1) That Arab dude on Twitter,
2) The Arab AL-KeN guy on this thread (Who is Saudi and certainly not German like his flag says, unless Germany's english education has taken a toll),
3) This weasel


So far, every single one of these seem to be Arab of some sort. Unless someone is out to tarnish the Arabic community with a wave of fake accounts, or a bunch of immature Arabic loonies are just having some fun (those 3). If it's this, then their rep won't exactly be good...

But you're right, let's just hold back.. Who knows. It might just be a 78y/o technician trial-DDoSing the wrong location due to myopia. Uhmm
That guy was banned immediately, but it's unlikely the attacker would admit to it like that.

In the meantime, keep following @LFSracing on Twitter for useful updates like this.
-
(nikolai_01) DELETED by nikolai_01
Quote from THE WIZARD DK :and i may add i known Kriss for years. he aint a imbecile and does alot for newcomers to LFS .

If "Kriss" is the one who is doing all this, then I regret to say that he is an imbecile.
No one in his right mind would do such stupidity as he is doing. He's the one who should be rethinking his acts, not me.

Imagine this: you and I are having discussion here. Should I go out on the street and start slapping everyone that comes my way just because I might be displeased by your response in our discussion?
Well, absolutely not!

EDIT:
Just realized that "Kriss" should be the one who erased my previous post. I have nothing against him, he's doing his job. The one I am talking about above is the attacker.
In the end it really does not matter who's doing it. And no matter what reasons they may have, we will never give in this way.

So in the coming days we will be working on more protection for our sites and services, hopefully keeping LFS in the air during hard times.
Well good luck, hope you find the problems and remove them Smile
Quote from sermilan :If "Kriss" is the one who is doing all this, then I regret to say that he is an imbecile.
No one in his right mind would do such stupidity as he is doing. He's the one who should be rethinking his acts, not me.

Imagine this: you and I are having discussion here. Should I go out on the street and start slapping everyone that comes my way just because I might be displeased by your response in our discussion?
Well, absolutely not!

EDIT:
Just realized that "Kriss" should be the one who erased my previous post. I have nothing against him, he's doing his job. The one I am talking about above is the attacker.

Yes, I figured. I'm glad you're having 2nd thoughts about me :-)
I'm sure we can have a peaceful discussion without flaming. As Wiz mentioned, we're pretty good friends and I'd never do anything to hurt anyone, I can barely kill flies without ending up crying.
In the end, I'm just doing my job
Scawen, can I be unblocked from the LFS twitter so I can follow the twitter updates?
OK
"Stop LFS"...

No
Don't stop lfs only cause this, as far as i know they were ddosing also TC (they somehow resolwed it and maybe got DDOS protection)

all they want as far as i know are those things (from the most logical to least)

• Stop TC's admins being racist(not like they are but i can not know i do not play there actualy) there will be a guesstion on this why not only TC and whole lfs then ? answer may be that they want to get attention on this to put more rpesure on TC, and if they do it again ppl will be probably angry on TC, and may not play there anymore (to not risk again DDOS of whole lfs)

• Arabic language (well might not be also true, since they guy on the twitte later said he is sorry and that he was only trolling (what a jerk))

(some of these might have been covered in this alredy)
Quote from Mate2169 :..

• Stop TC's admins being racist(not like they are but i can not know i do not play there actualy) there will be a guesstion on this why not only TC and whole lfs then ? answer may be that they want to get attention on this to put more rpesure on TC, and if they do it again ppl will be probably angry on TC, and may not play there anymore (to not risk again DDOS of whole lfs)

..

Some words regarding the accusations towards TC:

Playing the racist card is the lamest of all excuses. Everyone who got banned on TC has the right make an unban request and also another one to appeal. In which case the management is involved to look over the case again. If other reasons than breaking server rules would have lead to the ban, it would have become apparent.

Arab drifting (or Hagwalah, or whatever you call it) has been banned from roads (you may still do it in stunt areas though, car parks etc) after more than a year it started to cause serious problems. It was around 2015, when suddenly many new players from Arabic countries joined LFS and appeared on TC servers. Most of them just drifted around, caused much grief and didn't care for the rules or the game-play at all.
We tried many things to integrate them, asked translators to help out and made special pages with arabic rules like tc-g.uk/arabic as shockingly many players from there don't know a single word in English.

It worked to some extend, there are many good examples of Arabic players who overcome language barriers, even passed their cop tests (a TC rolep-laying feature) and have a good time. Some however didn't, but as guests, it's ultimately up to them to make the effort to fit in. As host, I think it's our right to define the rules and guests who don't abide by them have to play somewhere else, e.g. on drift servers.

We don't care where our guests come from, what language they speak or what they believe in. Everyone respecting our rules is welcome.
-
(Amynue) DELETED by Scawen : unhelpful post
It's pretty sad to see that a game, its developers and its players are so badly affected by one (or maybe more) angry person(s). He/she can do what he/she wants, but together we stay strong. We'll win the fight if we have to, although it's better if the attacker talks with a developer or somebody from [TC] than performing DDoS-attacks. Talking is better than fighting IMO.

I wish all the developers good luck with solving it!

[CSR]Wouter
LFS player since 2011, playing on online cruise servers since 2013, [TC]CityDriving player since 2015

Thank you very much Eric, Scawen, Victor, the [TC] team and all the kind players for such a nice game with a nice community.

Keep up the good work! Smile
It's not bothering me. We had a good evening on a busy B2R last night. If I can't get on, I'll do something else instead (all over pubg mobile atm).

We'll all still be here when the attackers run out of pocket money and go away Thumbs up
It's just a shameless and brutal action.
Hiding behind a botnet and nobody know whats wrong Shrug
Nevermind, the community will not leave LFS, we can wait. For the Devs I would like to say - stay cool, we all be back when the hate messengers have finished their mission.

Its summer on the door. Let them waste their money and time with happy ddossing, lets enjoy life elsewhere meantime.
This thread is closed

Why master server is down?
(148 posts, closed, started )
FGED GREDG RDFGDR GSFDG