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The shooting war starts - ISIS and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan
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The shooting war starts - ISIS and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan
Thread rules: It's open to any comment regarding Turkey and it's actions in the fight against ISIS. Hug

Seeing as Turkey has finally declared which side it supports in the War on ISIS, lets take a look at his (Erdogan's) family and their involvement with ISIS.

Important note, all this info predates Turkey choosing to attack Russia.

"Turkish President’s daughter heads a covert medical corps to help ISIS injured members, reveals a disgruntled nurse"

"Bilal Erdoğan (Erdogan's son) who owns several maritime companies, had allegedly signed contracts with European operating companies to carry Iraqi stolen oil to different Asian countries."

So, The Pressies daughter and son are both fully involved with ISIS.........

And now for Turkey's Pres, "Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the action was ''fully in line with Turkey's rules of engagement.''"
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34915754

This has a huge potential to go Postal. The US is busy sucking up to Turkey. While most of Europe is busy backpedaling like crazy as they realise what may come from this.

Meanwhile, for the benefit of those who believe Russia is a pushover and will back down.......

"On 10 April 2014, the USS Donald Cook entered the waters of the Black Sea and on 12 April a Russian Su-24 tactical bomber flew over the vessel triggering an incident that, according to several media reports, completely demoralized its crew, so much so that the Pentagon issued a protest [1].

The USS Donald Cook (DDG-75) is a 4th generation guided missile destroyer whose key weapons are Tomahawk cruise missiles with a range of up to 2,500 kilometers, and capable of carrying nuclear explosives. This ship carries 56 Tomahawk missiles in standard mode, and 96 missiles in attack mode.

The US destroyer is equipped with the most recent Aegis Combat System. It is an integrated naval weapons systems which can link together the missile defense systems of all vessels embedded within the same network, so as to ensure the detection, tracking and destruction of hundreds of targets at the same time. In addition, the USS Donald Cook is equipped with 4 large radars, whose power is comparable to that of several stations. For protection, it carries more than fifty anti-aircraft missiles of various types."

http://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html

"Meanwhile, the Russian Su-24 that buzzed the USS Donald Cook carried neither bombs nor missiles but only a basket mounted under the fuselage, which, according to the Russian newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazeta [2], contained a Russian electronic warfare device called Khibiny.

As the Russian jet approached the US vessel, the electronic device disabled all radars, control circuits, systems, information transmission, etc. on board the US destroyer. In other words, the all-powerful Aegis system, now hooked up - or about to be - with the defense systems installed on NATO’s most modern ships was shut down, as turning off the TV set with the remote control."
That's some serious shit they carry on their jets, the Khibiny thingie.
If you follow the link which is given on that page as the source of information it mentions nothing about an electronic device

http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/pentagon-protests-russian-jets-buzzing-antimissile-warship-black-sea/

also

"The aircraft did not respond to multiple queries and warnings from Donald Cook, and the event ended without incident after approximately 90 minutes,"

if they were able to attempt contact with planes then the electronics must of been active
And I've seen the denials and I fully understand all the official and unofficial denials.

March this year, Russia announced a new ECW system was being deployed on aircraft etc. There are a number of claims made about this, and if it's all wrong then I'm sure that the US and Turkey will have no issue with removing their Russian threat...............

I'll post some info that I've seen on this system tmrw.
Matt Drudge’s first tweet in months came with a cryptic message: “A shocking truth is unfolding: America has been arming ISIS.”

“Moderate rebels who had been armed and trained by the United States either surrendered or defected to the extremists as the Jabhat al-Nusra group, affiliated with al-Qaida, swept through the towns and villages the moderates controlled in the northern province of Idlib, in what appeared to be a concerted push to vanquish the moderate Free Syrian Army, according to rebel commanders, activists and analysts,” the Washington Post reported Nov. 2.

Key point, al-Nursa were among the groups the Russian SU 24 was attacking when Turkey chose to publicly join ISIS.

Meanwhile, back in Lesser Britannia....

The former Liberal Democrat leader Paddy Ashdown said: “Who is arming ISIS, who is providing safe havens for ISIS? To get there you have to ask questions about the arms everyone’s sold in the region, the role of Saudi Arabia in this. I think there are some very big questions and we have to be careful”

And here is Russia pointing out the 'golly gosh' obvious....

"…Turkey’s actions appear premeditated *, planned, and undertaken with a specific objective."
Lavrov also pointed to Turkey’s role in the propping up the terror network through the oil trade.

Retired French General Dominique Trinquand made similar statements when speaking to Sputnik earlier on Wednesday.
"Turkey is either not fighting ISIL at all or very little, and does not interfere with different types of smuggling that takes place on its border, be it oil, phosphate, cotton or people," he said.

Russian President Vladimir Putin described the incident as a "stab in the back by accomplices of terrorists."

Then there is this wee gem....

In late October an Iranian news agency, quoting a senior Iraqi intelligence officer, reported the capture of an Israeli army colonel, named Yusi Oulen Shahak, reportedly related to the ISIS Golani Battalion operating in Iraq in the Salahuddin front. In a statement to Iran’s semi-official Fars News Agency a Commander of the Iraqi Army stated, “The security and popular forces have held captive an Israeli colonel.” He added that the IDF colonel “had participated in the Takfiri ISIL group’s terrorist operations.” He said the colonel was arrested together with a number of ISIL or IS terrorists, giving the details: “The Israeli colonel’s name is Yusi Oulen Shahak and is ranked colonel in Golani Brigade… with the security and military code of Re34356578765az231434.”

Several ISIL militants arrested in the last one year had already confessed that Israeli agents from Mossad and other Israeli espionage and intelligence bodies were present in the first wave of ISIL attacks on Iraq and capture of Mosul in Summer 2014, but no ranking Israeli agent had been arrested.

Political and military experts told FNA that the capture of the Israeli colonel will leave a grave impact on Iraq’s war strategy, including partnership with Israeli allies.

Since at least 2013 Israeli military have also openly bombed what they claim were Hezbollah targets inside Syria. Investigation revealed that in fact Israel was hitting Syrian military and Hezbollah targets who are valiantly fighting against ISIS and other terrorists. De facto thereby Israel was actually helping ISIS, like General John Allen’s year-long “anti-ISIS” bombings.

That a faction in the Pentagon has secretly worked behind-the-scenes to train, arm and finance what today is called ISIS or IS in Syria is now a matter of open record. In August 2012, a Pentagon document classified “Secret,” later declassified under pressure of the US NGO Judicial Watch, detailed precisely the emergence of what became the Islamic State or ISIS emerging from the Islamic State in Iraq, then an Al Qaeda affiliate.

And, 11 November 2015, yet more history to explain Turkey's actions....

The Iraqi forces seized Turkish weapons and military equipment from the ISIL despite Ankara’s denial of any links with the Takfiri terrorist group.
The forces also found Turkish-made weapons, munitions and rockets in several areas in the provinces of Diyala and Salahuddin and in areas on the outskirts of the capital, Baghdad, during the liberation of those areas of the ISIL terrorists.

Turkey has repeatedly claimed that it has no ties with ISIL and labels it as a “terrorist group”.

Ankara asserts that it supports the al-Qaeda’s official branch in Syria, the Al-Nusra Front, but sees ISIL as an enemy.

Yet, many reports have so far surfaced the media proving that Turkey supports ISIL too.

The al-Nusra Front, or Jabhat al-Nusra (Arabic: جبهة النصرة لأهل الشام‎ Jabhat al-Nuṣrah li-Ahli ash-Shām, "The Support Front for the People of Al-Sham", often abbreviated to JN or JaN), sometimes called al-Qaeda in Syria or al-Qaeda in the Levant,[47] is a Sunni Islamic jihadist militia fighting against Syrian Government forces in the Syrian Civil War, with the aim of establishing an Islamist state in the country.[48] It is the Syrian branch of Al-Qaeda,[49] and also operates in neighbouring Lebanon.[50]

* Turkish fighter jets and military helicopters have dramatically increased their incursions into Greek airspace, according to a study based on data from the Greek military, forcing the cash-strapped Greek air force to respond.
Turkey buzzes weakened Greece - In growing numbers Ankara’s fighter jets test Greek territorial claims. - July 23, 2015
Too much to read. Can you not just put a summary at the bottom telling me who are bad guys and good guys are?
That question really depends on your nationality, lets see......
In your case....
Your in NATO, so is Turkey, so that makes you allies.
Therefore you need to support Turkey and therefore support ISIS. (On paper Turkey only supports al Qaeda, but, Economically they work closely together, as do other states in the area.)

"Turkish support for al-Nusra apparently is so strong that the first contingent of 50 Pentagon-trained moderate Syrian rebels was immediately wiped out by the al-Nusra front as soon as they entered into Syria,” Chomsky said. "And it seems the [al-Nusra] front was informed by the Turkish intelligence to get ready to wipe out this first contingent, according to pretty credible reports," Chomsky added.


So, given the close ties to ISIS, in reality that's who you get to support. You did help arm and train them after all !

In fact France needs to do the same.
Sorry France, that's just the way it goes.

"Solidarity within the Alliance, given substance and effect by NATO's daily work in both the political and military spheres, ensures that no single Ally is forced to rely upon its own national efforts alone in dealing with basic security challenges. Without depriving member states of their right and duty to assume their sovereign responsibilities in the field of defence, the Alliance enables them through collective effort to enhance their ability to realise their essential national security objectives."

TL:DR A simple explanation.
Your friends with Turkey, ISIS, al Qaeda, Arab states, Israel, and Apple pie.
Your enemies with Russia, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, and anyone else your told to hate by your media.

There, did that help ?
you state the following "Your enemies with Russia, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, and anyone else your told to hate by your media."

can any media source be trusted ? most of the media gives biased opinions and yet you get your information from such places

also il quote my previous post

[quote="bishtop;1896997"]If you follow the link which is given on that page as the source of information it mentions nothing about an electronic device

http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/pentagon-protests-russian-jets-buzzing-antimissile-warship-black-sea/

also

"The aircraft did not respond to multiple queries and warnings from Donald Cook, and the event ended without incident after approximately 90 minutes,"

if they were able to attempt contact with planes then the electronics must of been active[/quote
Russia’s advances in what is euphemistically termed in military jargon, Electronic Counter Measures or ECM, is causing some sleepless nights for the US Pentagon top brass to be sure. In the battles in eastern pro-Russian Ukraine earlier this year, as well as in the Black Sea, and now in Syria, according to ranking US military sources, Russia deployed highly-effective ECM technologies like the Krasukha-4, to successfully jam hostile radar and aircraft.

Lt. General Ben Hodges, Commander of US Army Europe (USAREUR) describes Russian ECM capabilities used in Ukraine as “eye-watering,” suggesting some US and NATO officers are more than slightly disturbed by what they see. Ronald Pontius, deputy to Army Cyber Command’s chief, Lt. Gen. Edward Cardon, told a conference in October that, “You can’t but come to the conclusion that we’re not making progress at the pace the threat demands.” In short, Pentagon planners have been caught flat-footed for all the trillions of wasted US taxpayer dollars in recent years thrown at the military industry.

"While the US military denied the incident as Russian propaganda, the fact is that USS Donald Cook never approached Russian Black Sea waters again. Nor did NATO ships that replaced it in the Black Sea. A report in 2015 by the US Army’s Foreign Military Studies Office assessed that Russia, “does indeed possess a growing EW capability, and the political and military leadership understand the importance…Their growing ability to blind or disrupt digital communications might help level the playing field when fighting against a superior conventional foe.” Now new Russian Khibini Electronic Counter Measure systems are being installed on the wingtips of Russia’s SUKHOI SU-34 fighter-bombers going after ISIS in Syria."

My above post was 'tongue in cheek', i.e. a joke !
If you have some knowledge of history then you will appreciate that WW part 1 started because of treaties and agreements, not because most governments actually wanted the war.

You may also notice that in the above information, senior named US military officers are cited as the source, not the journalist who put the information together.

It is always important to remember Russia's part in WW part 2, mainly because the Russian's certainly remember the war. It's also important to remember that the west has been at war with Russia from 1945 till today.
Russians don't want the war, the west (USA) does however. If you actually want to understand how this works, watch this.
That's great, but I can't read your stuff without getting annoyed at punctuation errors, which is far more important to me than world politics.


I doubt there's anyone in here who is not missing your "point".

Or reads your posts even.

Smile
Quote from Racer X NZ :Russia’s advances ........

You know, the funny thing is I heard it was RUSSIA buying up that stolen oil from ISIS. When the Russians bomb targets in Syria, they only bomb those wimpy rebel groups that we (US, Turkey - NATO etc...) tried to prop up to take down Assad. The Russians only make token runs at ISIS positions.
Us supporting the Syrian rebel factions.....Total waste of time with that idea... and that's pretty much how We "gave" ISIS all that support. They took it from the people we gave it to. Both in Syria and Iraq. We spent zillions of dollars training, arming and equipping a rebel force capable of ousting Assad (the mad dentist) and all we got for our time and money was like three or four guys. Oh and a bunch of well armed morons called ISIS (Daesh)
I got into a discussion about this mess a couple of days ago. Someone was trying to compare this action in Syria to the start of WWI. Nah... It ain't. It's more like the Chinese Boxer Rebellion You had an international force that fought a common enemy, yet didn't really cooperate with each other and didn't really trust each other either. Plus they fought against the Boxers using tactics based on their own national interests instead of actually trying to get rid of the problem. I think the Crimean War was a little like that too - but that wasn't our war so I'm not too sure.
The problem with Russia? It's they realize that they don't have the influence they once had. And are trying to hold onto what they do have. Putin wants that little navy base he has in Syria. Not much he can do with that little base except use it for bragging rights. But with Assad gone? No more boat dock for Putin.
Yeah. Putin totally messed up a perfectly good PR campaign for himself with his stupid actions.
WOULDA COULDA SHOULDA
What he should've done is use is influence in Syria to force Assad to abdicate, Set up a puppet regime and then start a campaign to "include" rebel leaders. Then go after ISIS. He could've done that and wound up being a world hero. But nope, like all other mobsters, Putin doesn't know how to enact foreign policy in a legitimate manner.
He's taking out moderate and reformist rebel factions first to leave us with a choice of ISIS or Assad.
He thinks the rest of the world will deal with that choice and stick with Assad. Not going to happen. Way WAAAAYYY too many world leaders were flapping their mouths about taking out Assad in public speeches.
Any Syrian that gets drunk and says ASSAD sucks in a bar will be getting foreign aid in the hopes of taking that clown out.
Yeah. Putin's plan is going to turn that place into another Somalia. And he's probably going to lose his navy base as well.

Funny thing about ISIS.... they could be totally taken out in about week. A combined attack on their social media (their best tool) and their leadership would cripple them. The lone wolf types will still be working, though not as much. It's kinda hard to be a terrorist when you have nothing to terrorize with.
Still stuck on this.....
I saw a Documentary on CNN about ISIS. One of the things those idiots want is to fight the USof A - on their soil. Personally, I would love to see the rest of the planet walk away and we deal with them the way they need to be. no worrying about image, no concern with international standing. Just the sound of a chainsaw.
Anyways there was talk of an ISIS attack on American Soil. Oddly enough, ISIS doesn't appear all that interested in doing that. They want us over there more. It took awhile to understand why. One, we tend to carry guns. Any mass attack they try to pull off might blow up in their faces. Besides, we have the best AKs anyways. On top of that? Some people I know, if they were to capture an ISIS member they wouldn't be so quick to turn him in - alive. Ever see the movie American Me?
And two. We tend to carry guns. Unless they buy ad space on radio and TV announcing their attack, we wouldn't be able to tell those little punks apart from the random gang wars and assorted nut case shooters we already have.


Ah yes, Racer Y and his US media issues. Smile

So, could we have some faint sort of evidence for this 'fact' from your 'redacted' media # to support this 'alternative reality' that the US is living in, or was it just from some media talking head........????


I'm fairly confident that the 'redacted' owners of your media wouldn't want to talk about real facts......

Bit embarrassing and all that...

Hey dude, normally your research is of much higher quality than your above posts, I look at you as being a sensible US voice, alone among a collection of retarded rednecks..... is it the whole US 'We hate Russia' thing ???



NSFL **** Awkward facts, please don't read any of these links.

"No one knows why it took the US 14 months to strike the convoys. The official line is that The Pentagon was concerned about “collateral damage”, but we doubt that’s the reason (for a detailed discussion of this, see here). Well now that the mainstream media have been forced to take a closer look at Islamic State’s main source of revenue (the group makes nearly a half billion a year in the illicit oil trade), we decided to take a closer look at exactly who is facilitating the transport of the stolen crude and where it ultimately ends up because you can be sure that the story you get from the major wires will be colored by a slavish tendency to avoid any and all “inconvenient” revelations."

# "...... They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls. They got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying. Lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else,......

But I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests..."
Quote from Racer X NZ :

Ah yes, Racer Y and his US media issues. Smile

So, could we have some faint sort of evidence for this 'fact' from your 'redacted' media # to support this 'alternative reality' that the US is living in, or was it just from some media talking head........????


I'm fairly confident that the 'redacted' owners of your media wouldn't want to talk about real facts......

Bit embarrassing and all that...

Hey dude, normally your research is of much higher quality than your above posts, I look at you as being a sensible US voice, alone among a collection of retarded rednecks..... is it the whole US 'We hate Russia' thing ???



NSFL **** Awkward facts, please don't read any of these links.

"No one knows why it took the US 14 months to strike the convoys. The official line is that The Pentagon was concerned about “collateral damage”, but we doubt that’s the reason (for a detailed discussion of this, see here). Well now that the mainstream media have been forced to take a closer look at Islamic State’s main source of revenue (the group makes nearly a half billion a year in the illicit oil trade), we decided to take a closer look at exactly who is facilitating the transport of the stolen crude and where it ultimately ends up because you can be sure that the story you get from the major wires will be colored by a slavish tendency to avoid any and all “inconvenient” revelations."

# "...... They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls. They got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying. Lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else,......

But I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests..."

What are you going on about?
Look Putin's a mob guy. I don't need redacted media or whatever to know that. I can also tell just by looking at the military attacks what his plan is. You don't need to be a rocket scientist or a conspiracy buff to know this. Just think a little.
Turkey.... Yeah there is a lot of information that looks like Erdogan is dealing with ISIS to some degree. It's a mess over there. This guy fighting that guy whose fighting some other dude that's selling crap to the first guy.
I didn't ignore Turkey. My main focus was on what Putin is doing there. I don't think I left anything out in my thoughts either. If you want to get technical, Turkey is "killing the wrong militants" too. Anything that can strike at the Kurds is a good thing for him it seems.
And will you quit making fun of my "news sources" I've done called yours out on more than one occasion.
I'm just smart enough to know to take my news with a grain of salt. You seem to eat up every thing those half baked news sites make up.
C'mon dude. Gimme a break. I know all about the mainstream media and it's so-called unbiased and impartial journalism. That's what the grain of salt is for. Remember, Yellow Journalism, Sensationalism and media spin are all American invented words and phrases.
But what I said about Putin and his aims? That's pretty much my opinion and not some copy and pasted news article. I know what I'm talking about and I know what the dude is up to.
12 oil trucks and a couple of abandoned buildings. That's about the extent of ISIS targets to the Russians.
Now the Kurds? Russians got their number. He wants all of the moderate groups weakened or eliminated before he goes after ISIS. Think about it. Forget the media lamestream or crackpots. Look at the history of the conflict, look at the players and look at what's at stake for the players. Do you think Putin keeps his navy base and influence in the region if Nusra Front takes over? What if by some miracle those four guys we spent all that money on wins it? Think they'll extend the lease on the boat dock for Russia? Don't go looking up sites, just answer the questions. No. I don't need a reply. Just ask yourself and answer yourself.
Only half baked? Gotta be 75% minmimum.
I'm not dure what to make but it should scare everyone. Hopefully the threat is eliminated quickly. Just remember this the the "JV" team!
Quote from Racer Y :
Quote from Racer X NZ :Russia’s advances ........

You know, the funny thing is I heard it was RUSSIA buying up that stolen oil from ISIS. When the Russians bomb targets in Syria, they only bomb those wimpy rebel groups that we (US, Turkey - NATO etc...) tried to prop up to take down Assad. The Russians only make token runs at ISIS positions.
Us supporting the Syrian rebel factions.....Total waste of time with that idea... and that's pretty much how We "gave" ISIS all that support. They took it from the people we gave it to. Both in Syria and Iraq. We spent zillions of dollars training, arming and equipping a rebel force capable of ousting Assad (the mad dentist) and all we got for our time and money was like three or four guys. Oh and a bunch of well armed morons called ISIS (Daesh)
I got into a discussion about this mess a couple of days ago. Someone was trying to compare this action in Syria to the start of WWI. Nah... It ain't. It's more like the Chinese Boxer Rebellion You had an international force that fought a common enemy, yet didn't really cooperate with each other and didn't really trust each other either. Plus they fought against the Boxers using tactics based on their own national interests instead of actually trying to get rid of the problem. I think the Crimean War was a little like that too - but that wasn't our war so I'm not too sure.
The problem with Russia? It's they realize that they don't have the influence they once had. And are trying to hold onto what they do have. Putin wants that little navy base he has in Syria. Not much he can do with that little base except use it for bragging rights. But with Assad gone? No more boat dock for Putin.
Yeah. Putin totally messed up a perfectly good PR campaign for himself with his stupid actions.
WOULDA COULDA SHOULDA
What he should've done is use is influence in Syria to force Assad to abdicate, Set up a puppet regime and then start a campaign to "include" rebel leaders. Then go after ISIS. He could've done that and wound up being a world hero. But nope, like all other mobsters, Putin doesn't know how to enact foreign policy in a legitimate manner.
He's taking out moderate and reformist rebel factions first to leave us with a choice of ISIS or Assad.
He thinks the rest of the world will deal with that choice and stick with Assad. Not going to happen. Way WAAAAYYY too many world leaders were flapping their mouths about taking out Assad in public speeches.
Any Syrian that gets drunk and says ASSAD sucks in a bar will be getting foreign aid in the hopes of taking that clown out.
Yeah. Putin's plan is going to turn that place into another Somalia. And he's probably going to lose his navy base as well.

Funny thing about ISIS.... they could be totally taken out in about week. A combined attack on their social media (their best tool) and their leadership would cripple them. The lone wolf types will still be working, though not as much. It's kinda hard to be a terrorist when you have nothing to terrorize with.

the hacking/hacktivist group anonymous have been attacking ISIS recruitment sites aswell as finding social media accounts related to ISIS members with mixed results. Some innocent people had named as ISIS members or follower but then found to be innocent but many confirmed accounts were closed.
A very big part of their recruitment efforts are made online so it had probably some effect but now they are apparently using sites protected by cloudfare so attempts to DDOS ect are ineffective but there are other ways
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"A TURKISH judge has ordered an “expert investigation” into the Lord of the Rings character Gollum to determine whether being compared to the diminutive ring-fancier is an insult.
The judge made the bizarre request in the case against Dr Bilgin Çiftçi, a physician from Aydın in Western Turkey, who is on trial for sharing a meme which compared the popular character’s facial expressions to Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Dr Çiftçi, who was expelled from his job at the Public Health Institution of Turkey in October, is on trial for insulting the Russian plane-destroying, enthusiastic journalist-jailing, definitely-not-ISIS-funding president Erdogan."

Even the Aussi's get it, so to answer the above question, "Yes, Yes you are..........."


Yeah, and this "Russia is buying ISIS oil" story..... Please, provide some facts there cus I've shown above, with evidence, that it's Turkey and Israel buying it. Yes, they are your BFF and your "allies" and it's embarrassing but just deal with it Smile It's also well known that it's sold into Asia. The information is actually very 'public domain', however, for 'some' reason the mainstream western media seem incapable of reporting it. And that would have nothing to do with the ownership of the six corps who run western media, no, clearly not...........

And, for the Russia haters, please comment on this one....

"This was definitely not supposed to happen. It seems that an Israeli military man with the rank of colonel was “caught with IS pants down.” By that I mean he was captured amid a gaggle of so-called IS–or Islamic State or ISIS or DAESH depending on your preference–terrorists, by soldiers of the Iraqi army. Under interrogation by the Iraqi intelligence he apparently said a lot regarding the role of Netanyahu’s IDF in supporting IS.

That Netanyahu’s Likud and the Israeli military work closely with Washington’s neo-conservative war-hawks is well-established, as is the vehement opposition of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran. Israel regards the Iranian-backed Shi’a Islamist militant group, Hezbollah, based in Lebanon, as arch foe. Hezbollah has been actively fighting alongside the Syrian Army against ISIS in Syria. General Allen’s strategy of “bombings of ISIS” since he was placed in charge of the operation in September 2014, as Russia’s Putin and Foreign Minister Lavrov have repeatedly pointed out, far from destroying ISIS in Syria, had vastly expanded their territorial control of the country. Now it becomes clear that that was precisely the intent of Allen and the Washington war faction.

Israel had been working closely with Syrian opposition terrorists, including Al Qaeda’s Al Nusra Front and IS in the Golan Heights, and “kept close contact over the past 18 months.” The report was submitted to the UN Security Council. Mainstream media in the US and West buried the explosive findings.

The UN documents showed that the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) were maintaining regular contact with members of the so-called Islamic State since May of 2013.

The IDF stated that this was only for medical care for civilians, but the deception was broken when the UNDOF observers identified direct contact between IDF forces and ISIS soldiers, including giving medical care to ISIS fighters. Observations even included the transfer of two crates from the IDF to ISIS forces, the contents of which have not been confirmed."

Comments ??????
Quote from Racer X NZ :

"A TURKISH judge has ordered an “expert investigation” into the Lord of the Rings character Gollum to determine whether being compared to the diminutive ring-fancier is an insult.
The judge made the bizarre request in the case against Dr Bilgin Çiftçi, a physician from Aydın in Western Turkey, who is on trial for sharing a meme which compared the popular character’s facial expressions to Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Dr Çiftçi, who was expelled from his job at the Public Health Institution of Turkey in October, is on trial for insulting the Russian plane-destroying, enthusiastic journalist-jailing, definitely-not-ISIS-funding president Erdogan."

Even the Aussi's get it, so to answer the above question, "Yes, Yes you are..........."


Yeah, and this "Russia is buying ISIS oil" story..... Please, provide some facts there cus I've shown above, with evidence, that it's Turkey and Israel buying it. Yes, they are your BFF and your "allies" and it's embarrassing but just deal with it Smile It's also well known that it's sold into Asia. The information is actually very 'public domain', however, for 'some' reason the mainstream western media seem incapable of reporting it. And that would have nothing to do with the ownership of the six corps who run western media, no, clearly not...........

And, for the Russia haters, please comment on this one....

"This was definitely not supposed to happen. It seems that an Israeli military man with the rank of colonel was “caught with IS pants down.” By that I mean he was captured amid a gaggle of so-called IS–or Islamic State or ISIS or DAESH depending on your preference–terrorists, by soldiers of the Iraqi army. Under interrogation by the Iraqi intelligence he apparently said a lot regarding the role of Netanyahu’s IDF in supporting IS.

That Netanyahu’s Likud and the Israeli military work closely with Washington’s neo-conservative war-hawks is well-established, as is the vehement opposition of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran. Israel regards the Iranian-backed Shi’a Islamist militant group, Hezbollah, based in Lebanon, as arch foe. Hezbollah has been actively fighting alongside the Syrian Army against ISIS in Syria. General Allen’s strategy of “bombings of ISIS” since he was placed in charge of the operation in September 2014, as Russia’s Putin and Foreign Minister Lavrov have repeatedly pointed out, far from destroying ISIS in Syria, had vastly expanded their territorial control of the country. Now it becomes clear that that was precisely the intent of Allen and the Washington war faction.

Israel had been working closely with Syrian opposition terrorists, including Al Qaeda’s Al Nusra Front and IS in the Golan Heights, and “kept close contact over the past 18 months.” The report was submitted to the UN Security Council. Mainstream media in the US and West buried the explosive findings.

The UN documents showed that the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) were maintaining regular contact with members of the so-called Islamic State since May of 2013.

The IDF stated that this was only for medical care for civilians, but the deception was broken when the UNDOF observers identified direct contact between IDF forces and ISIS soldiers, including giving medical care to ISIS fighters. Observations even included the transfer of two crates from the IDF to ISIS forces, the contents of which have not been confirmed."

Comments ??????

Confirmation bias.
Britain's Guardian, July this year....
In the wake of the raid that killed Abu Sayyaf, suspicions of an undeclared alliance have hardened. One senior western official familiar with the intelligence gathered at the slain leader’s compound said that direct dealings between Turkish officials and ranking Isis members was now “undeniable”.

“There are hundreds of flash drives and documents that were seized there,” the official told the Observer. “They are being analysed at the moment, but the links are already so clear that they could end up having profound policy implications for the relationship between us and Ankara.”

US's Business Insider, July this year......
"NATO member Turkey has long been accused by experts, Kurds, and even Joe Biden of enabling ISIS by turning a blind eye to the vast smuggling networks of weapons and fighters during the ongoing Syrian war."

But apparently, none of your 'Leaders' have any idea that this is happening and you all believe it's Russian propaganda......

Quote from Storm_Cloud :That's great, but I can't read your stuff without getting annoyed at punctuation errors, which is(#) far more important to me than world politics.

# (are)*


The above post was aimed at the brainless who blindly believe what they are told to believe by their media. And then argue that 'black is white' because reading and independent thought are far too difficult for them to cognitively achieve. Many of them have qualifications and degrees where critical thinking is allegedly (NOT) a requirement.

If you are only offended by my punctuation, spelling, and grammer, and not by the facts that I post, then I'm fairly confident that that post wasn't targeting you Smile /s

* As you stated the plural 'errors'. Usually 'is' would only apply to a singular 'error', however you state that I clearly usually make more than one grammatical error in a post. Smile!



1. Bashar al Assad’s secular government in Syria is a major obstacle to US/NATO ambitions to fragment the Middle East, exploit its resources and further encircle Russia, as delineated in several policy documents.

2. US/NATO planned to invade Syria and remove Assad in 2013, and used his alleged use of chemical weapons in Ghouta as an excuse. But the plan was thwarted when a) the chemical weapon attacks were found to have likely been done by western-backed “rebels.” (#) and b) Russia intervened diplomatically to negotiated the decommissioning of Syria’s chemical weapons stocks, thus making any military action unnecessary.

3. US/NATO response to this was to develop ISIS (one of their several proxy jihadist groups fighting Assad) – as a new boogeyman. To arm them and train them while simultaneously developing a fearsome media image for them, in order to eventually justify the invasion of Syria they’d been forced to abandon. This new invasion would allegedly be about defeating ISIS, but would really be a relaunch of the original plan to get rid of Assad. And in truth ISIS would be working with the US/NATO, not against them.

4. This second plan also began to unravel firstly because ISIS and the other jihadists proved less successful at defeating the Syrian army than expected and secondly because Russia unexpectedly intervened and began bombing ISIS and the other NATO-backed proxy armies in the region.

5. Facing the potential final defeat of their plan for domination in the ME the US/NATO has mobilised its sock puppet leaders in Europe to reverse their earlier and wise decisions to stay out of Syria, and send in troops to fight the Syrian Army and Russia.

6. “Our boys” will not be fighting ISIS, whatever the media may tell you. ISIS is on our side. ISIS is NATO. “Our boys” will be fighting alongside ISIS and a ragtag of mercenaries and lunatics and sociopathic mass murderers killing Syrian civilians, soldiers of the Syrian army, and maybe even Russians (all of whom are actually fighting ISIS). Merkel, Hollande, Cameron and all the other smirking morons are obediently lining up for WW3 to defend US(^) imperialism. Because they’re too torpid, corrupt and stupid to know what they are doing.

(#) Over 1,300 people were killed in the sarin gas attack in Ghouta and several other neighborhoods near the Syrian capital of Damascus, with the West quickly blaming the regime of Bashar al-Assad and Russia claiming it was a “false flag” operation aimed at making US military intervention in Syria possible.

Turkish CHP deputies Eren Erdem and Ali Şeker held a press conference in İstanbul on Wednesday (2/12/2015) in which they claimed the investigation into allegations regarding Turkey’s involvement in the procurement of sarin gas which was used in the chemical attack on a civil population and delivered to the terrorist Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) to enable the attack was derailed.
He also underlined that all of the files and evidence from the investigation show a war crime was committed within the borders of the Turkish Republic.

“The investigation clearly indicates that those people who smuggled the chemicals required to procure sarin faced no difficulties, proving that Turkish intelligence was aware of their activities."

(^) That's assuming US Citizens made this choice, they had no choice.......

It's up to all of us to change this !
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