I do not belive in life in space, or any alien. I think there are a lot of lies about that, and we should not belive them. I think thad God created everythink, and only humans, and nobody else.
That is my oppinion, and advice, but other people have right on their oppinion and to belive in that in they want (alltrough it can be something bad).

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Here some real UFO photos.

Here is the article telling how Billy Meier released information about Jupiter rings years before scientists knew about them.
http://www.rense.com/general35/jup.htm

There is a lot of information he released before Earth scientists or whoever knew it. For example ozone layer depletion and a lot more. All of that information was given to him by intelligent humanoids known as Plejaren.

He was also given extraterrestrial metal samples that he gave to Marcel Vogel, a scientist known for inventing the magnetic coating for the hard disk drives. After examining the samples he said it was impossible to produce them on Earth with the technologies known to man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Meier#The_metal_samples

Nurse! Nurse! He's out of his room again! Nurse!

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Before you're calling for nurse you could read what I linked with an open mind. There is actual proof for what I'm writing.

You mean the metal samples thing? It's been a long time I read something as amusing as that. It's also worth noting that the guy who is said to have examined the samples created the "universal lifeforce crystal" which at least questions his credibility.

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Before you're calling for nurse you could read what I linked with an open mind. There is actual proof for what I'm writing.

Sorry, you're right, I didn't read it with an open mind, I read it with extreme scepticism. There is no scientific 'proof' for what this guy is saying. Absolutely none. Zero. All there is evidence for is that he wrote this stuff in a book once. That's not evidence, that's just something some guy wrote in a book once. There is no evidence that those are pictures of real UFOs, and certainly no evidence that this guy is actually in contact with telepathic psychic aliens. Frankly that guy is a complete nutjob and I feel sad for anyone misguided enough to believe him.

Edit: And in terms of the 'metal samples' part? I think this says enough:

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This biographical section of an article needs additional citations for verification.

It has absolutely zero citations. Even Wikipedia doesn't think it's true.

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Before you're calling for nurse you could read what I linked with an open mind. There is actual proof for what I'm writing.

And where is your proof? How come all these UFO's look different? Why do species which is advanced enough to travel to distant galaxies have different types of space ships sent to here (which look like aluminum cans btw.) when it's quite sure they should have one solution that's the best?

Also your article is just text, not a reliable source. If I wrote in some Internet site that I saw a five-eyed 10 feet tall dinosaur 15 years ago which explained today's technology would you believe me? Can you show me a real article that actually dates back to 1970's and explains something (not a guess, explanation) that we didn't know back then?

Back to the real subject,

It would be foolish not to think life outside our planet wouldn't exist. Meeting an intelligent alien life form is nearly impossible because of the amount of suitable planets and the distances between them. Universe is simply too vast to explore. Also we'd have to have similar technology to be able to find each others (not to mention communicating aftrwards)

You should talk to Racer X, you'd get on brilliantly.

Well in regards to all good ufo evidence there is always one common thing. There is never enough evidence to fully examine and say this happened. While the ufo explanation might fully tick all the boxes of those incidents those incidents are also the perfect examples of cases where you don't have enough evidence to make any kind of explanations due to lack of data.

Some cases are just a mystery and can not be "solved" or explained. Not because it is unexplainable by nature or just strange. Because of lack of data. And lack of data allows all kinds of explanations...

I think mystery is what human mind is the least capable of understanding or accepting. Complex things are easier to understand because there is structure and logic. But in mystery... like those ufo cases there is not enough proof so there is no logic, no structure.

We have our brain and mind filled with automatic psychological reflexes and we are able to see patterns and see things before they happen because our mind tricks us. We have a history as a humankind of building huge explanations out of thin air to try to just explain those unknowns so it would not be a mystery.

I think there are some interesting cases but there is no proof for ufo. I think it is just our mind trying to solve the mystery of unknown. So I'm not a believer. That's what the ufo phenomena seems to be. About belief. It is a bit like religion.

But then there is the cometa report which sounds more or less reliable...

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Juzaa, also read this:
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/B ... _Of_Major_Ozone_Depletion

The book with information with published in 1978.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0960855823

"The first decreases in Antarctic total ozone were observed in the early 1980s over research stations located on the Antarctic continent."


Here is Nature Journal from 1985, the first scientific announcemnt about the matter.
http://www.nature.com/nature/j ... 15/n6016/pdf/315207a0.pdf

Can you disprove that Billy Meier released it in 1978? Can you prove that scientists released that information before 1978, before Billy Meier?

Now this is interesting. Canada, Norway ans US banned CFC (chlorofluorocarbons) from usage in aerosol sprays in 1978 so there has to be at least some scientific evidence before because CFCs have a lot of good features, that's why they were used that much. Also, it's "bromine", not "brom" and because of its higher molecular mass and overall lower reactivity it's not that much of a problem as chlorine - guess the Semjase didn't have that hot scientific info either...

Yes I have a firm believe in intelligent life outside of earth.

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Juzaa, also read this:
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/B ... _Of_Major_Ozone_Depletion

The book with information with published in 1978.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0960855823

"The first decreases in Antarctic total ozone were observed in the early 1980s over research stations located on the Antarctic continent."


Here is Nature Journal from 1985, the first scientific announcemnt about the matter.
http://www.nature.com/nature/j ... 15/n6016/pdf/315207a0.pdf

''Total ozone was lower in these months compared with previous observations made as early as 1957''

Can you disprove that Billy Meier released it in 1978? Can you prove that scientists released that information before 1978, before Billy Meier?

Ozone layer was observed in 1957 according to your site! Anyone could've guessed it was getting thinner (which people also did why on earth would they investigate it unless they thought it was getting thinner?) (also read MadCatX's post which proves you wrong) Scientific publishes are always published AFTER they are sure they are right. When this nobody (who gets frequent visits by imaginary aliens) wrote his book he bet on the winning horse. (which really wasn't hard)

Let's assume you are correct for a second. Here's a few questions:
Why didn't the alien give any real data? Why did it talk to a nobody instead of someone who could've done something? Why didn't anyone else see anything? Why didn't it leave any sort of proof about itself?
There are no answers because it wasn't real.

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You're wrong. This is false.

"On a per atom basis, bromine is even more efficient than chlorine at destroying ozone, but there is much less bromine in the atmosphere at present."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O ... tion#Ozone_cycle_overview

To bring some actual scientific data here and not the BS Wikipedia feed us:
Bromine is by 40 - 100 more efficient than chlorine - fine, I was wrong there. It's responsible for 30 % - 50 % of catalytic ozone depletion.
However, methylbromine, which is the main source of bromine in the lower stratosphere is produced naturally.
35% of CH3Br comes from ocean
13% from biomass burning
10% from salt marsh plants
30% is of anthropological origin

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2001AGUFM.B12A0113B

Now why would aliens warn us about something we can't affect that much? CFCs on the other hand are 100% made by human and in some states have been banned at the same state the book was published.

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There is a lot of data that they gave. The amount of prior scientific data is quite extensive.
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/B ... Beyond_A_Reasonable_Doubt

- Connection of A-bomb testing, explosions to ozone damage.
- Extraction of petroleum and natural gas from the Earth, damming of waters, construction of huge cities were major contributing factors to increased earthquake and volcanic activity.
- Specific information about Venus, unknown at the time, including: composition of atmospheric gases, surface temperatures, depth of clouds, wind speeds, atmospheric pressure, coloration, variation in terrain, etc.
- Semjase informed Meier that Mt. Chimborazo was highest mountain on Earth, contrary to Meier's belief that it was Mt. Everset. From the center of Earth in this case.

And a lot more.

The Plejaren don't want to talk to anybody for a lot reasons. And Billy Meier informed a lot scientists and policians about these matters many times. But they always ignored him. They still do.

"Why didn't anyone else see anything?" What do you mean?

"Why didn't it leave any sort of proof about itself?" What is it?

You naturally understand that your link is something written by a man who claims to have known all sorts of information before it was confirmed. Where is all this information he published (and evidence supporting it)?

'' I hope that each contact will be published in its entirety in the near future'' - Meaning he is waiting for some brake through which he'll claim to have know all this time. But was too busy to publish it. (according to your site the last visit was in mid 90's)

''The Plejaren don't want to talk to anybody for a lot reasons'' - Is quite common in every religion. Only the key members are allowed to ''see'' or ''hear'' the gods (in this case aliens) because this way no one can question the authority.

''And Billy Meier informed a lot scientists and policians about these matters many times'' When and where? Any proof? Besides lot's of scientists in history have known things to be true long before there has been enough proof to support them.

You also need to know that publishing a fact and knowing something is completely different. All your maniac refers to are the publishing dates of the complete studies. What you should do is find out when those things were first discussed. Then you'd see you were following a false prophet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestia
epok

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Here some real UFO photos....

Seriously, man...
:sppalpati

Into the universe with Stephen Hawking - Aliens

Worth a download, very interesting.

One thing that bugs me is all the claimed UFO observations. Even if there were aliens that visitet our world, I highly doubt they would have an spacecraft which where oval / round. Therfor each time I hear of people that have seen one, (the round one), I belives it is scams. Also there is thousands of various weather and atmospheric fenomens (wrong spelled sorry) who can fool the eyes.

But still I belive there is life outside this world of course, but I think they would be smart enough to either stalk us out first (without we knowing it), or they would send a big fleet to greet us / kill us / whatever.

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...I think they would be smart enough to either stalk us out first (without we knowing it), or they would send a big fleet to greet us / kill us / whatever.

Jose Escamillia claims that there are aliens on the Moon already.
In his trilogy (1. UFO - The greatest story ever denied, 2. Moon rising and 3. Moon views) he elaborates his opinion bringing evidence in a form of photos from official Hubble telescope site and many relevant people who worked for NASA and US Gov agencies testifying in favor of his claims.

Now, it would be very nice if someone from USA could really say if these people testifying are genuine and not some BS actors. But it's hard to believe that he would hire and pay actors for this, as his movies aren't exactly blockbusters.

I seem to recall from one of my classes in college that there is (on the conservsative side) a 6% chance that life exists somewhere in this galaxy right now (obviously, we do). I'm too lazy to look up the entire mathematical equation right now, but it involved many statistics about the most necessary features for life on a planet. Now, if there is a 6% chance that life exists in this galaxy right now, it should basically be the same for all other galaxys. Unless there is something about galaxies I don't know. All of those 6% chances combine together to make a chance that is pretty much 100% that there is life elsewhere in the universe.

As for contacting them from god knows how many light years away... yeah, no. Not in the forseeable future, unless we get a huge breakthrough in tech. It makes me sad, I wish I could know what else is out there.

And there is a lot of shitty, shitty science that people use to justify UFO sightings and encounters. The burden of proof is on the sighters, and no one has been able to prove it even slightly convincingly to me.

Yes, there is

Something would be wrong if there wasn't!

Check out this sighting 2 days ago in my town, i didn't recorded it though..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsDewfGsE4M

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I seem to recall from one of my classes in college that there is (on the conservsative side) a 6% chance that life exists somewhere in this galaxy right now (obviously, we do). I'm too lazy to look up the entire mathematical equation right now, but it involved many statistics about the most necessary features for life on a planet. Now, if there is a 6% chance that life exists in this galaxy right now, it should basically be the same for all other galaxys. Unless there is something about galaxies I don't know. All of those 6% chances combine together to make a chance that is pretty much 100% that there is life elsewhere in the universe.

As for contacting them from god knows how many light years away... yeah, no. Not in the forseeable future, unless we get a huge breakthrough in tech. It makes me sad, I wish I could know what else is out there.

And there is a lot of shitty, shitty science that people use to justify UFO sightings and encounters. The burden of proof is on the sighters, and no one has been able to prove it even slightly convincingly to me.

Drake's equation, if anyone wants to look it up (at least, this is the only mathematical equation I can think of)

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Juzaa, also read this:
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/B ... _Of_Major_Ozone_Depletion

The book with information with published in 1978.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0960855823

"The first decreases in Antarctic total ozone were observed in the early 1980s over research stations located on the Antarctic continent."


Here is Nature Journal from 1985, the first scientific announcemnt about the matter.
http://www.nature.com/nature/j ... 15/n6016/pdf/315207a0.pdf

Can you disprove that Billy Meier released it in 1978? Can you prove that scientists released that information before 1978, before Billy Meier?

http://theness.com/neurologica ... air-wedding-cake-edition/

And also:
http://theness.com/neurologica ... php/category/ufos-aliens/

Why you'd better hope we never get contacted - from 'The Killing Star' by Charles Pellegrino and George Zebrowski, quoted here: http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/aliens.php

It might be a bit Teal Deer, but persevere, it's a good read. (also a good read is the article linked to in there about the unit of 'Mega-Ricks'. In fact read the whole Atomic Rocket site, it's brilliant)

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The great silence (i.e., absence of SETI signals from alien civilizations) is perhaps the strongest indicator of all that high relativistic velocities are attainable and that everybody out there knows it.
The sobering truth is that relativistic civilizations are a potential nightmare to anyone living within range of them. The problem is that objects traveling at an appreciable fraction of light speed are never where you see them when you see them (i.e., light-speed lag). Relativistic rockets, if their owners turn out to be less than benevolent, are both totally unstoppable and totally destructive. A starship weighing in at 1,500 tons (approximately the weight of a fully fueled space shuttle sitting on the launchpad) impacting an earthlike planet at "only" 30 percent of lightspeed will release 1.5 million megatons of energy -- an explosive force equivalent to 150 times today's global nuclear arsenal... (ed note: this means the freaking thing has about nine hundred mega-Ricks of damage!)
I'm not going to talk about ideas. I'm going to talk about reality. It will probably not be good for us ever to build and fire up an antimatter engine. According to Powell, given the proper detecting devices, a Valkyrie engine burn could be seen out to a radius of several light-years and may draw us into a game we'd rather not play, a game in which, if we appear to be even the vaguest threat to another civilization and if the resources are available to eliminate us, then it is logical to do so.
The game plan is, in its simplest terms, the relativistic inverse to the golden rule: "Do unto the other fellow as he would do unto you and do it first."...
When we put our heads together and tried to list everything we could say with certainty about other civilizations, without having actually met them, all that we knew boiled down to three simple laws of alien behavior:

1. THEIR SURVIVAL WILL BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR SURVIVAL. If an alien species has to choose between them and us, they won't choose us. It is difficult to imagine a contrary case; species don't survive by being self-sacrificing.
   
2. WIMPS DON'T BECOME TOP DOGS. No species makes it to the top by being passive. The species in charge of any given planet will be highly intelligent, alert, aggressive, and ruthless when necessary.
   
3. THEY WILL ASSUME THAT THE FIRST TWO LAWS APPLY TO US.
   

...
Your thinking still seems a bit narrow. Consider several broadening ideas:

1. Sure, relativistic bombs are powerful because the antagonist has already invested huge energies in them that can be released quickly, and they're hard to hit. But they are costly investments and necessarily reduce other activities the species could explore. For example:
   
2. Dispersal of the species into many small, hard-to-see targets, such as asteroids, buried civilizations, cometary nuclei, various space habitats. These are hard to wipe out.
   
3. But wait -- while relativistic bombs are readily visible to us in foresight, they hardly represent the end point in foreseeable technology. What will humans of, say, two centuries hence think of as the "obvious" lethal effect? Five centuries? A hundred? Personally I'd pick some rampaging self-reproducing thingy (mechanical or organic), then sneak it into all the biospheres I wanted to destroy. My point here is that no particular physical effect -- with its pluses, minuses, and trade-offs -- is likely to dominate the thinking of the galaxy.
   
4. So what might really aged civilizations do? Disperse, of course, and also not attack new arrivals in the galaxy, for fear that they might not get them all. Why? Because revenge is probably selected for in surviving species, and anybody truly looking out for long-term interests will not want to leave a youthful species with a grudge, sneaking around behind its back...
   

I agree with most parts of points 2, 3, and 4. As for point 1, it is cheaper than you think. You mention self-replicating machines in point 3, and while it is true that relativistic rockets require planetary power supplies, it is also true that we can power the whole Earth with a field of solar cells adding up to barely more than 200-by-200 kilometers, drawn out into a narrow band around the Moon's equator. Self-replicating robots could accomplish this task with only the cost of developing the first twenty or thirty machines. And once we're powering the Earth practically free of charge, why not let the robots keep building panels on the Lunar far side? Add a few self-replicating linear accelerator-building factories, and plug the accelerators into the panels, and you could produce enough anti-hydrogen to launch a starship every year. But why stop at the Moon? Have you looked at Mercury lately? ...
Dr. Wells has obviously bought into the view of a friendly galaxy. This view is based upon the argument that unless we humans conquer our self-destructive warlike tendencies, we will wipe out our species and no longer be a threat to extrasolar civilizations. All well and good up to this point.
But then these optimists make the jump: If we are wise enough to survive and not wipe ourselves out, we will be peaceful -- so peaceful that we will not wipe anybody else out, and as we are below on Earth, so other people will be above.
This is a non sequitur, because there is no guarantee that one follows the other, and for a very important reason: "They" are not part of our species.
Before we proceed any further, try the following thought experiment: watch the films Platoon and Aliens together and ask yourself if the plot lines don't quickly blur and become indistinguishable. You'll recall that in Vietnam, American troops were taught to regard the enemy as "Charlie" or "Gook," dehumanizing words that made "them" easier to kill. In like manner, the British, Spanish, and French conquests of the discovery period were made easier by declaring dark- or red- or yellow-skinned people as something less than human, as a godless, faceless "them," as literally another species.
Presumably there is some sort of inhibition against killing another member of our own species, because we have to work to overcome it...
But the rules do not apply to other species. Both humans and wolves lack inhibitions against killing chickens.
Humans kill other species all the time, even those with which we share the common bond of high intelligence. As you read this, hundreds of dolphins are being killed by tuna fishermen and drift netters. The killing goes on and on, and dolphins are not even a threat to us.
As near as we can tell, there is no inhibition against killing another species simply because it displays a high intelligence. So, as much as we love him, Carl Sagan's theory that if a species makes it to the top and does not blow itself apart, then it will be nice to other intelligent species is probably wrong. Once you admit interstellar species will not necessarily be nice to one another simply by virtue of having survived, then you open up this whole nightmare of relativistic civilizations exterminating one another.
It's an entirely new situation, emerging from the physical possibilities that will face any species that can overcome the natural interstellar quarantine of its solar system. The choices seem unforgiving, and the mind struggles to imagine circumstances under which an interstellar species might make contact without triggering the realization that it can't afford to be proven wrong in its fears.
Got that? We can't afford to wait to be proven wrong.
They won't come to get our resources or our knowledge or our women or even because they're just mean and want power over us. They'll come to destroy us to insure their survival, even if we're no apparent threat, because species death is just too much to risk, however remote the risk...
The most humbling feature of the relativistic bomb is that even if you happen to see it coming, its exact motion and position can never be determined; and given a technology even a hundred orders of magnitude above our own, you cannot hope to intercept one of these weapons. It often happens, in these discussions, that an expression from the old west arises: "God made some men bigger and stronger than others, but Mr. Colt made all men equal." Variations on Mr. Colt's weapon are still popular today, even in a society that possesses hydrogen bombs. Similarly, no matter how advanced civilizations grow, the relativistic bomb is not likely to go away...
We ask that you try just one more thought experiment. Imagine yourself taking a stroll through Manhattan, somewhere north of 68th street, deep inside Central Park, late at night. It would be nice to meet someone friendly, but you know that the park is dangerous at night. That's when the monsters come out. There's always a strong undercurrent of drug dealings, muggings, and occasional homicides.
It is not easy to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys. They dress alike, and the weapons are concealed. The only difference is intent, and you can't read minds.
Stay in the dark long enough and you may hear an occasional distance shriek or blunder across a body.
How do you survive the night? The last thing you want to do is shout, "I'm here!" The next to last thing you want to do is reply to someone who shouts, "I'm a friend!"
What you would like to do is find a policeman, or get out of the park. But you don't want to make noise or move towards a light where you might be spotted, and it is difficult to find either a policeman or your way out without making yourself known. Your safest option is to hunker down and wait for daylight, then safely walk out.
There are, of course, a few obvious differences between Central Park and the universe.
There is no policeman.
There is no way out.
And the night never ends.

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http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/aliens.php

That site is just pure awesomeness!

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Check out this sighting 2 days ago in my town, i didn't recorded it though..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsDewfGsE4M

These ones recently captured in USA by night act very similarly to those from Zemun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... ;feature=player_embedded#